There are NO exceptions, that's how these games are laid out to operate. ESM's are the master files, ESP's are the Plugin's to master files as they follow ESM's. I seen and messed around with the new esl flags too, irregardless of internal settings, the file extension takes precedence over internal relationships. Some assemblies I have had the misfortune of witnessing are way out there "direct hands on remote", some mods are made with this kind of setup and distributed. Needless to say, Every mod I have inspected? I have had to rebuild to remove the irregularities due to false pretenses of how the code is supposed to operate. It only works 1 way. That's it. People force the issues and just Jam it in any way they see fit. Be smart, learn more, Be aware. Study. Ifa custom made mod is made by a reputable author, you ask that Authors directly for advice on their mods. IF you can't get an answer ? you contact me, I'll help you figure out what's wrong. Now, if you break some ones mod, or have things in a mess? I can help with the mess, you must reinstall broken mods. Kitty Black Heyy, Thnx for the reply ^^ sry that mine is late to yours. But yea, I see what you're saying. Not gonna argue with anyone you tell me either, cus I'm really uneducated on all of this. Tomorrow, I'll read/watch some stuff about load orders, and esm/esp, and try to remedy the issue. Also, thnx to Fractalbase for that info bit too