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You got something against profit? People who provide a service (that you apparently find valuable in some way, evidenced by your presence here) getting paid?
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ohai
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Immersive Armors is a must-have mod for me. It was on my shortlist of mods I was waiting to be ported to SSE before even bothering to start a playthrough.
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In response to post #64095256." Members who are in the Supporter member group OR who consistently do not use Adblockers on Nexus Mods."RowanSkie wrote: I just turned off my Adblock (Adblock Fast, which is like, 7 rules of adblocking thingy, then Disconnect, for privacy, then my DuckDuckGo Essentials), and I'm surprised that I still don't see any ads. Just where do you show those ads anyway?
EDIT: If you are a Supporter and still use Adblock, would it limit me to 1MB/s?
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Leloo Dallas Multipass.
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Anything you want.
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Yet another entry.
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Heeeeere's a comment!
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Everyone is just having a tiff because it's not drag and drop like they're used to.And they're used to it because it's how everyone has managed mods with pretty much every bit of software that allows you to manage mods since people have been modding. Hell, Bethesda's own load order managers, whether you use the one in previous games' launchers, or the Mods screen they implemented in FO4 and SSE, are all based on allowing you to simply move mods where you need them to be. It's the most basic way of implementing load order management, and has become the de facto way of doing so.
I'd wager the way most people do it, is they install their mods, they run LOOT, they check to see if there are any glaring issues with the way LOOT has ordered things, they make the necessary corrections, and then they play. The people who care to take the extra step of creating rules and messing with priorities for LOOT are undoubtedly a much smaller subset of these users.
And with Vortex, these users are losing the option of that "making necessary corrections" step in an easy and familiar manner, instead being forced to take that extra step that I'd bet actual money the vast majority of users have never bothered doing before. On top of all this, I've yet to see an actual valid reason as to why this change has been made other than "well it's better to do it this way".
There's a large number of people who consider Mod Organizer to be the better way of managing mods, and yet it's an admittedly more complicated/advanced tool for management than the majority of people are willing to use, as Tannin himself admits.
So if we're not comfortable forcing the average user to use a more advanced tool like Mod Organizer to manage their mods... why the heck are we comfortable forcing those same users to use a more advanced method of load order management?
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- None necessary functionality should not be a priority for alpha software. And changing the install load order more than vortex already does is exactly that, unnecessary.
- I'm surprised some of the community is so adamant about not changing how they do things, I thought that was exactly what modders were about??
What you consider necessary and what others consider necessary are not necessarily the same thing.
For instance, I consider changing the way we manage our load order to be unnecessary. I find it interesting how you presume to declare whether or not a certain feature is necessary, and then sarcastically remark about people complaining about a change they clearly don't consider necessary.
There are a lot of changes that this software needs in order for me to use it. The ability to sort my load order by dragging individual mods where they should be, as we've been able to do for years in NMM and MO, is one of those changes. I'd consider it necessary.
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In response to post #56262141. #56262426, #56262576, #56262581, #56262936, #56263031, #56263146, #56266491, #56267106, #56267256, #56274311, #56277726 are all replies on the same post.Ashes2Asherz wrote: So basically the Nexus will decide who is rewarded in this elite group of modders? One thing us Americans hate the most is when others create elitist groups and give them what they want while crapping on the rest of the people. I'm absolutely certain when all is said and done this will drive away American users.Ethreon wrote: You don't really help brighten the image Americans have outside.Ashes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I supposeAshes2Asherz wrote: lol i don't exactly make the best poster child I suppose...
err it double post.. maybe they should focus on optimizing this new site to not be so slow and buggy before taking on their version of paid mods.. ;)Ethreon wrote: It would be in your best interest to read the article again, carefully.Zodiac19 wrote: American here and not driven out. It just means that if a mod author is really good with what they do and keep making mods worth downloading then they have the potential to be compensated for it eventually. that means it's not set or fixed whether or not a modder will receive a reward, or that it will only remain a certain group of modders each time because as soon as one mod has support from every user on the site then the modder has to start over just to get points, meaning the next top modder with the points will be next etc.Ashes2Asherz wrote: it would be your best interest to read in between the lines.. Who do you think this will hurt the most? Most likely the modders that rely on 3rd party assets to create mods and those that use them.. There is already much more greed on the Nexus than any other modding site.. They introduce a money pool to certain users then you better believe that many of those modders that once shared their work to be used in other peoples projects will clamp down and stop giving permission in hopes to gain more of the money pool for themselves.. It would definitely stun the growth of the modding community and make it so only a very few will benefit while the rest will lose interest and move on..Augusta Calidia wrote: Nexus doesn't decide who is rewarded - we the people do by downloading mods. Each unique download of a participating mod is a vote cast for that mod. That's not a policy that would drive this American user away.
Furthermore, who comprises "this elite group of modders" of whom you speak? Am I supposed to exercise an ability to "read in between the lines" and discover that Nexus is in cahoots with a core group of favored mod authors on whom Dark0ne wishes to shower gifts? This, of course, is nonsense, because Nexus doesn't decide who participates in the Mod Author Donation Program. The individual mod author decides that for her/himself.Ashes2Asherz wrote: What's wrong with donating to the author you like to begin with? Why does the Nexus or Nexus community have to make that decision for you?Ethreon wrote: Again, go read the article. You obviously haven't.CluckenDip wrote: Strayaaa!!!iubee wrote: sure bring a little heat to this postWhat's wrong with donating to the author you like to begin with? Why does the Nexus or Nexus community have to make that decision for you?
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In response to post #55597599. #55598659 is also a reply to the same post.Comparing your personal distaste for a website's redesign to EA's MT implementation in a full-priced-with-DLC game is absolutely asinine...twowolves80 wrote:
Read back about two pages. Dark0ne gives an explanation there. It's too expensive to do because it's two different websites to maintain with different functionalities that would have to be juggled, and mod authors would have to make two different mod pages.
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Genin32 wrote: It depends on Dark0ne's priority's. Scrapping the new design would be ideal for many modders, if he listens to people he would probably be aware of it. Forcing something has never worked and never will, just look at EA's example. -
In response to post #55569459. #55569819, #55576134, #55577769, #55583519 are all replies on the same post.Forums weren't killed by Facebook and Instagram, they were killed by Reddit.mpjbay wrote: I closed my FB/IG accounts a long time ago. The big brother Zuck reign over our privacy is over in my world.PapaBear627 wrote: AMEN same here!!skarvika wrote: Yep, I just have throwaway accounts for this kind of stuff now. I still remember forums and dedicated discussion sites. That was true social networking; facebook, instagram etc...it's nothing but self promotion. :)Ethreon wrote: Amusing. You're on the internet, your data is being used regardless.
That aside, just create throwaway accounts for this kind of situation.VenomRaven0 wrote: @Skarvika Social media has destroyed networking. So many forums that used to have their own communities with their own discussions have just crumbled in wake of reddit/facebook. Even the ones that still technically exist are a shadow of their former selves.
People started hating forums because they didn't want to sign up for a completely different forum every time they wanted to discuss something else. Reddit provides a forum-like platform where anyone can make a forum about pretty much anything, and nobody has to sign up for it again. They already have a reddit account, so they can join as many different forums discussing as many different topics as they wish with no extra sign-ups. No weird quirks to figure out from one forum to the next. Everything is largely consistent and you can browse around to as many different things as you want.
These things aren't popular because all the normie CEOs want your info or whatever. They're popular because they're useful and convenient. People dislike them because they put on the rose-tinted glasses and let their nostalgia get the better of them. -
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In response to post #55478623. #55478653, #55478708, #55478878, #55481343, #55484023, #55493693 are all replies on the same post.operaghost wrote: This mobile device based web design trend should stop. Should have kept the old as an option. Now the things that used to fit on one handy space, require more scrolling and what-other voodoo. Whoever designed this, did not design it for PC. Big panels, big banners, and need for extra scrolling and clicks. Alright, you wanted a fresh change, but why remove old one that actually worked. It may have been old and 'ancient'. but it worked. Was quick and was efficient. Now you have more bling and equally less functionality. I am no fan of all this big panels, and flashy designs. I do prefer functionality and now I have lost it. Oh, well I tried to keep using old one as long as I could, but seems now someone turned the switch. And while design itself is not bad, its bad for a mod hosting site.HomicidalGrouse wrote: What functionality did you "lose"?SSJDudeMan wrote: Go for old.nexusmods.com while you still can. We can only hope on a wing and a prayer that they keep the old design available like this, but if not... well, like I said. Someone ought to port it to Stylish or a Greasemonkey userscript.operaghost wrote: Efficiency and speed on finding files that maybe interesting. What can i say I am no fan of mobile-visuals. Maybe if I'd be skimming mods on a phone, or tablet, I might see it different, I've always favored more compact and minimalism designs that focus on efficiency rather than bling. So now I see 20 panels per page instead old 30, and while drop down offers quick sorting, hoping around categories has become slower.
As side note for example my win 10 uses also Classic Shell - I do not deny it maybe just question of habit and preferences. For me old design and layout felt perfect. New one less. As i said its not bad design, just 'not as good' design in my eyes.
I may have not looked into this too deeply (as I have been using old version up to this moment), but it seems I need to do more clicks/scrolls to achieve same result a la I immediately missed the right hand categories option. Now it is on top, includes extra scrolling and ... more scrolling. Old right hand tab was visible on its full options, and without extra actions/clicks, you were able to navigate while scouting for new potential mods to use.
I would place the 'refine results' back on right or remove scrolling by making it a drop-down menu.
At the end of the day, I've been member over decade and hardly this change would chase me away or make me visit any less. I get used to it like with all changes in past.pingvinch wrote: What did we lose? - Well, mod browsing functionality which is the main reason why most people go to this site.
Before you could easily choose a category and even type in keywords, to find selected mods. Also when you hovered with your cursor over a mod it displayed the short description. Now if the description doesn't fit in the window you have to open the mod's page to see it. Fewer mods per page as well; and lastly for some reason this orange color scheme is straining my eyes a lot. I'm not kidding... I can hardly look at the screen after writing this.magicgun wrote: dont get your hope up for greysemonkey. firefox is doing absolutely everything tey can to try to annihilate all form of plugin. anf greysemonkey is still not compatible with v57 and it will never be because it need to be recoded from scratch and itll probably have a diferent name when it will be done.operaghost wrote: I also found an issue that when i search a mod - let say i want to find all mods with certain word in title. And I only see the 20 1st ones, and if I want to see 21+, it reverts back to global view. So I cannot anymore browse mods past the 1st 20. And selecting next page would send me back to general mod list and ignores my keyword.
2nd issue I got is that even when I select 'author to be ignored' I got on search result containing said author.
Guess pingvinch also sums up my points shorter and better.Before you could easily choose a category and even type in keywords, to find selected mods.
You still can. Above the mods list, there's a drop-down titled "refine results". Clicking it produces all of your category, keyword, etc filters. If anything, it's more functional, because now you can make all of your changes to your filter without it loading those changes after each click, allowing you to save time by applying your filter all at once.Also when you hovered with your cursor over a mod it displayed the short description. Now if the description doesn't fit in the window you have to open the mod's page to see it.
Short descriptions are supposed to be just that...
Besides, there are 3 different view modes for mod pages, and two of them provide larger short description boxes.So I cannot anymore browse mods past the 1st 20. And selecting next page would send me back to general mod list and ignores my keyword.
2nd issue I got is that even when I select 'author to be ignored' I got on search result containing said author.
I've experienced neither of these issues. Have you submitted this as a bug in the tracker?
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In response to post #55385813. #55403098, #55424833, #55429343, #55431058, #55452048, #55453283, #55453953, #55454268, #55460353, #55468303, #55478593 are all replies on the same post.TheKlingonHamlet wrote: Flat design (in general) is the worst visual cancer humankind has ever invented.
I can't tell what's a button and what is not, and can't fix my eyes on anything, making using the site really difficult for me. It basically looks like one monolithic mess.
I don't understand why you had to make the redesign this way.Dreizopf wrote: This!
"I can't tell what's a button and what is not"
This is the problem of all smartphone app layouts and should not be used on desktops.Eolhin wrote: I have to agree with this apt description of the problem telling buttons from things that are not.Pushkatu wrote: I'm also not a very big fan of the new design. OP said it all, but I'm sure things will get better in the future, you guys always have a way of doing things that in the end, turn out to be great. Keep up the good work!Hekkaryk wrote: Well I'm loving it so far :) Then again, I love Windows 10 design too...Eolhin wrote: Ah, I could not set the Win 10 desktop back to the legacy Windows desktop fast enough. Thank the gods they had that option.GlassDeviant wrote: The more I use the new layout, the more I dislike it.
Flat design used to be standard a long time ago, I mean a loooong time, like back when forums were first invented. There was a reason we (by we I mean every fracking forum on the planet, practically) moved *away* from the flat model. Now it seems the latest fad is to go back to flat, and it's just a horrid, messy waste of screen space, especially with so many people moving to small screens, but even for those of us who keep moving to larger and larger screens. I get larger screens to display *more* information, not so forums can waste even more of my screen space with emptiness or filler.
I hope at the very least we can select another theme that does not have the putrid pastel colour scheme.blevins9109 wrote: Couldn't agree more. This went from one of the most navigable websites I use to one of the least navigable.davidsalter wrote: i just spent 5 minutes on this new layout trying to find scrap mods for fallout 4, and i got so many skyrim and oblivion mods in the list especially ones that didnt even have scrap in the name that i just gave up.
can i have the old layout back?aragonit wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with you!ironside31 wrote: the new design is indeed a cancer. I dont care if someone is using their phone to access the site they shouldnt be. Go to your pc and go on the nexus your phone is for making phone calls not looking for mods you cannot down load until your on your pc anyway.darksynth0 wrote: new design sucks.. I want my old one backI dont care if someone is using their phone to access the site they shouldnt be.
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In response to post #55478623.What functionality did you "lose"?operaghost wrote: This mobile device based web design trend should stop. Should have kept the old as an option. Now the things that used to fit on one handy space, require more scrolling and what-other voodoo. Whoever designed this, did not design it for PC. Big panels, big banners, and need for extra scrolling and clicks. Alright, you wanted a fresh change, but why remove old one that actually worked. It may have been old and 'ancient'. but it worked. Was quick and was efficient. Now you have more bling and equally less functionality. I am no fan of all this big panels, and flashy designs. I do prefer functionality and now I have lost it. Oh, well I tried to keep using old one as long as I could, but seems now someone turned the switch. And while design itself is not bad, its bad for a mod hosting site.
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In response to post #55257103. #55257298, #55258328, #55258513, #55258928, #55259153, #55259388, #55259853, #55305193, #55330208, #55334878, #55338158, #55338403, #55338453, #55339968, #55342353, #55357393, #55364788, #55364973, #55368353, #55368878, #55369378, #55369603, #55369828, #55370763 are all replies on the same post.People who dislike things are always louder than those who like them or don't care. Especially on the internet.Darth Sidious wrote: I hope you will give us the option to keep the old design, I find it much more readable and more pleasant to use.EHPDJFrANKy wrote: I think just the same. It would be really much appreciated.Haladoon wrote: Same here. The new design is too damn huge. I also am not a fan of the new navigation, but it's just something I'll try to get use to as a modder and user. I know they are working hard on it. Even though, I personally don't think it's necessary from a visual perspective.gentester wrote: I hope so as well. I really dislike the new design I did give it a fair go I think but reverted pretty quickly, it just doesn't feel as user friendly and welcoming. Sometimes 'New' isn't necessarily synonymous with 'Better'TheOblivionCrew1 wrote: This happened the last time they did an update, when the current design(2012-2017 era, if I recall correctly when it was implemented) was the "new" design. We said the same thing then, didn't change the course of action unfortunately. On the whole it was rather strange, because the original layouts of the Nexus felt very PC friendly. The new designs got shifted for "multiple/universal" platforms, meaning mobile, which doesn't make any sense because there's no community for modding on any platforms other than PC(and the consoles have been hamstrung by Bethesda controlling the content and site for it, so I don't factor them in).
Maybe it's just a result of amateur web-building, and site layout design(maybe no one is a visual artist or professional in user-friendly design, which I can understand), but after some years of doing this I really question why they keep shooting for redesigns that don't seem to improve usability, all against frequent calls by their users to go back to the old layouts.VictorDragonslayer wrote: The new design is good for viewing pictures, but awful for reading mod description and comments - they are too wide. Is it text length, overall gamma or whatever, but my eyes feel uncomfortable when I read something on the new design. It's still better than "Mom, I learned JS!" Bethesda.net, which is hard to navigate, but hiding changelog under "Logs" tab was a mistake - very few people will find it.KamranMackey wrote: They probably won't. And IMO, there's nothing really wrong with the new design. I find it to be a lot more modern and easier to look at than the old design. The old design was alright, but I think the new one is so much better.VictorDragonslayer wrote:easier to look at
To look at pictures - yes, but, as I said, reading texts became harder, IMO. If people complain about readability, then it means that:
1) they are crybabies and should be disregarded;
2) font size/colour may not suit all users, so you may try to give several options to choose from.
Sadly, developers considered only the first option.pacfish wrote: This was already answered by staff, moderators, admins (Dark), already. They will not be keeping the old design as the cost to maintain both versions of the site is "too costly"
The other problem with that is formatting issues for content creators between old and new site.Darth Sidious wrote: Too costly? Why and how much? I dislike the new design so much I would pay to keep the old design.pacfish wrote: You missed the other problem I listed. Things formatted for the new site don't translate well back to the old site and neither does translating old content to the new.
But in terms of cost, imagine performing all the changes twice. Which means twice the work and I do mean twice the work. Fixing a bug one one system only to have to turn around and fix it on another. HTML / JS don't have inheritance. There are ways to setup dynamic css code to try and manipulate the data being displayed but that has to be run on your end. It does exist and content creators have already released at least one version of this and posted a link in this forum.
It would be nice if nexusmods actually just made a mobile version of the site. Facebook has this. And while I know facebook has a lot larger market share and can afford to pay for a lot more features, facebook even has an app that just manipulates the data being requested to present the information on the screen differently (again user side) but it's not hard to make something like this. And to give you an idea about what this can be compared to, it's basically a fomod installer or a robot/spider crawling the webpages for information. Find this tag, put content in this location. Formatting of a description that a content creator posts would need new and stricter guidelines to make this change better but I think that's reasonable and can be solved with thumbnails.
Since I don't think Dark has any intention of having an app and instead intends on making a higher resource cost website (1 page on the new site is considerably larger than the old site [data caps//internet speed] and takes more memory to run) I don't see a possible solution. But I think an App + some UI tweaks would have been better than this dramatic overhaul. Even the last change wasn't this big of a difference.slippyguy wrote: Ever notice how no other website has ever kept a former layout for any longer than a short transitional period? That's why they won't keep it.Darth Sidious wrote: I read the other issue as well, but since I am not familiar with the details I didnt comment on it, however I dont know why ever redesign of a major website/portal I seen lately includes HUGE elements on the screen, less readability than the old design and similar gimmicks. What happened to the clean, readable and efficient design? I guess that is not "modern" enough any more.
Take Youtube redesign for example, it made things bigger which means less content on the screen and less readability, same goes for menus on Youtube that suddenly arent clean and easily readable by a casual glance, new Youtube merely takes up more screen space, it isnt prettier and it doesnt add any new special functionality, thank God that Youtube can be restored to the old version. Why tech companies behind certain websites continually reinvent the wheel with their redesigns is beyond me, seems the only purpose of some redesigns is to make it new for the sake of the new and that developers can earn their paychecks.Darth Sidious wrote: @slippyguy Youtube still has old design available for those who want it and it has been around for quite a while now which hopefully means the old design is here to stay as an option. I agree that for most websites the old design is discarded and new one literally forced upon their users, even though the old design was clean, looking good and perfectly functional, that often happens to websites of various news agencies.Exoclyps wrote: New one is just too huge. I had to set browser to 60% size to be able to use the site.slippyguy wrote: The new YouTube design is WIP, it will become mandatory when they decide its ready, just like every other design in the past 11 or so years. Nobody wants to support two different layouts.Darth Sidious wrote: @slippyguy Microsoft backed out on the Metro UI after severe user backlash, first in 8.1 they introduced the option of getting the normal desktop and in 10 they returned "classic" start menu that can be expanded to Metro-like UI if the user wants to. And we are talking about a whole operating system, not just one website.
While most websites like to force new designs on their users the example of Windows shows users can influence decisions if they really want to, but when it comes to websites most people will just be grumpy for a while and continue using the services of the website effectively falling in line with a sigh "thats life", sharp decline in the number of users and supporters of a website would force the owners of a website to reconsider their decisions, but that rarely happens as most people are not willing to sacrifice something (using services of a website) to achieve their goals. Some are, but not enough of them to make a difference.
That is why small websites or services that dont have hundreds of thousands or millions of users are lot more careful about changing things, big websites can afford to annoy a portion of their users because their user base is large enough plus they know most of those that are not satisfied will still fall in line and continue using their website or their services because there is little to no alternative to what they provide.lithiumfox wrote: As I proceed to respond to you on my phone....slippyguy wrote: The fullscreen start menu is to provide an experience tailored for tablet users, and thus worth the extra work of supporting two different layouts. The Metro UI also spans much further than the start menu, and is still mandatory, by the way.
Supporting two entire website layouts (effectively doubling the work of maintenance and updates) purely for cosmetic reasons is just nonsense.Darth Sidious wrote: Purely cosmetic reasons? Making half of your users angry at your design is hardly just cosmetic reasons plus a giant like Google can maintain two layouts with extreme ease, that is nothing for a giant like that, they are maintaining far more complicated things than one website layout. And for example they are maintaining two layouts for their search engine, the usual one and the one when you turn off javascript. And that is not the only example of some website maintaining two layouts, most dont care for user feedback, but some do.
The fact Metro UI is still present does not invalidate my comment at all, they defaulted to classic start menu after users raged against new interface, users got what they wanted and that is the point I was making with that example.Ethreon wrote: - there is an older article (and several before it) detailing just how much costs for maintaining the website are. Feel free to peruse it and then come back to tell us you're willing to pay.
- isn't it wonderful how GIANTS like MS or Google can afford to maintain 2 versions of their websites? Wonder why a non-giant can do that..
- half the users? do you draw your statistics from the same place as all the other internet statistics aka your own buttocks?Darth Sidious wrote: There is plenty of people who dont like the new design in the comments, I dont have the statistics but reading comments on this article shows a lot of people dont like it. A poll on the Nexus "which design do you like-old one or the new one?" would give some real numbers and percentages with votes from actual users, no buttocks involved. But the real question is would a poll change anything even if majority of users voted for the old design? Probably not.
As for the amount of money needed to maintain two layouts I dont know how much it is, but Nexus has so many users, perhaps a portion of them would be willing to pay some amount of money per year to keep the old design, perhaps not, but if nobody asks them we will never know.slippyguy wrote:Purely cosmetic reasons? Making half of your users angry at your design is hardly just cosmetic reasons
The complaints are almost exclusively about cosmetics. Anybody that cares about actual issues is on the Github reporting them to the devs right now.Ethreon wrote: So basically you got your opinions and you try to pass them as valid facts. Got it.Arienas wrote: tbh, i think the complaints in the comments are the minority, the majority who are fine with it are just using the site as per normal. Think about it, nexus has way more users than this, there is only 250 comments about the design, 50% of it are against the design.
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In response to post #55312878. #55313528 is also a reply to the same post.No. It doesn't do any such thing. If you choose to view the new site, it'll simply switch you to to the new site. If you follow a link to the new site, it will take you to the new site. If you follow a link to the current/old site, it will take you there. There's no "auto-redirect".VulpesHilarianus wrote:In response to post #55305648. #55306153 is also a reply to the same post.Pretty much all links spread all over the internet lead back to the normal nexusmods domain.VulpesHilarianus wrote:
Did some searching using a couple of different metrics. According to Alexa, SimilarWeb, and Quantcast Nexus Mods had a major traffic decrease when the website redesign launched. Also according to Alexa and Quantcast only 44% of users are switching to the new layout. Many are choosing old.nexusmods.com to use the site. For the Wayback Machine in the months of October and November the most popular saved versions were the old Nexus layout, with less than 1/3 being the new layout. People don't like it. I urge you, please, delay the launch of the redesign until the usability issues are sorted out. The massive amounts of wasted space, lack of contrasts, abhorrent element sizing, and focus on mobile for a PC-centric website are making people uncomfortable and having them avoid the site.
EDIT: Also the forums are screwing up and not letting me post the entire comment.pacfish wrote: I'm one of the 44% that are using the new site and don't like it. But I'm trying to make it better with feedback. I also want to point out that the old site is the default. "nexusmods.com" is the old version and doesn't force the user to switch. There is an annoying button at the top that even the old.nexusmods.com has plastered on it.
I don't think they'll release an unfinished product, they don't have a publishing company racing to make a return on the investment... But then there's Fallout 4 which took 5 years and is plagued with bugs, Starcraft 2 which is mostly bug free but has a limited game engine (supporting very small files in comparison to other games) and took 10 years, and HalfLife 3 which according to a Fallout 4 cartoon, is still in development in 2077.
Of course the vast majority of people who visit the site will be using that one, and not the rd domain used to preview the new site.Of course it defaults to the main site, but the traffic isn't switching to the new site is what I'm saying. At any point you'll get the drop down bar that says "You're using the old version of our site. Click here." and will auto-redirect to the new site from then on if you select it. The fact that people aren't doing that or are manually reverting to the old site shows there are problems.
RobRoger wrote: i use the old one simply because i bookmark what i may like and then i choose what to use. When the new site will become permanent the rd. in the link will become www. , forcing me to change all the links if i bookmark from the new one, Dark0ne himself said it, otherwise i d use the latter. Maybe i'm not the only one.
And why should anyone switch early? Any links they share will be broken once everything is switched and rd subdomain ceases to exist anyway, and they'd have to switch their bookmarks to the rd subdomain and then switch them back again once the new design goes replaces the old site.
There are multiple reasons as to why people might not be switching to the new layout permanently, and the majority of them are both irrelevant, and in no way indicate that your distaste for the new site is some kind of majority consensus.
Everyone knows the people who dislike something are always louder than both those who like it, and those who don't care. 'Tyranny of the majority' and all that... -
In response to post #55305648. #55306153 is also a reply to the same post.Pretty much all links spread all over the internet lead back to the normal nexusmods domain.VulpesHilarianus wrote:
Did some searching using a couple of different metrics. According to Alexa, SimilarWeb, and Quantcast Nexus Mods had a major traffic decrease when the website redesign launched. Also according to Alexa and Quantcast only 44% of users are switching to the new layout. Many are choosing old.nexusmods.com to use the site. For the Wayback Machine in the months of October and November the most popular saved versions were the old Nexus layout, with less than 1/3 being the new layout. People don't like it. I urge you, please, delay the launch of the redesign until the usability issues are sorted out. The massive amounts of wasted space, lack of contrasts, abhorrent element sizing, and focus on mobile for a PC-centric website are making people uncomfortable and having them avoid the site.
EDIT: Also the forums are screwing up and not letting me post the entire comment.pacfish wrote: I'm one of the 44% that are using the new site and don't like it. But I'm trying to make it better with feedback. I also want to point out that the old site is the default. "nexusmods.com" is the old version and doesn't force the user to switch. There is an annoying button at the top that even the old.nexusmods.com has plastered on it.
I don't think they'll release an unfinished product, they don't have a publishing company racing to make a return on the investment... But then there's Fallout 4 which took 5 years and is plagued with bugs, Starcraft 2 which is mostly bug free but has a limited game engine (supporting very small files in comparison to other games) and took 10 years, and HalfLife 3 which according to a Fallout 4 cartoon, is still in development in 2077.
Of course the vast majority of people who visit the site will be using that one, and not the rd domain used to preview the new site. -
In response to post #54705413. #54706873 is also a reply to the same post.In addition to what Ethreon said, news articles are 'announced' via the "Updates" button in the site menu. So even if you don't wish to scroll down to check for news, chances are it'll inform you that there's something new right at the top of the page anyway.sullyivan wrote: Scroll scroll scroll scroll....
Just not cool and rather old fashioned in the sense of web design to present easy access of layouts. I'd call it a step backwards. Getting to a specific game page, and setting favorites is a nice touch, in fact the whole menu is quite nice and I would say much needed.
Still after the menu, it goes down hill quick.
-The new design page loads slower, consistently,compared to the old layout, unless it's just a temporary thing.
-News must not be important since you gotta scroll down, from 'home' page, and to the bottom for specific game pages. Yes you can click the header for 'Home' "forum' 'Chat' & 'News' but other than it's scroll scroll scroll. News has big friendly images, with hardly any news to it, unless you specifically click the news title and not just the image. 20 news articles that go back over 6 months is a little more than ridiculous. I guess if you don't come to the site very often, it would make sense.
-Page width is obnoxious. While a wider layout does provide more text on the page, text size should be considered, as well as increasing page magnification and how much that spreads out the page. Consider how much the eye has to move to read the text on a page, typical monitor size, also if the reader has to move their head to keep their eyes in an optimum position to avoid unnecessary eye strain. (Love the greyed background on the news) Text magnification options without increasing page layout width would be one way to assist with this. Still a lot of wasted page space that could easily take advantage of columns, including a page dropping side menu.
-How big does an image need to be to get attention for it? Getting away from the standard and popular shifting banner, such as Top Files for old layout, that major companies build into their websites is a sad loss. In the Trending Mods image layout bloat with ZERO mod information (unless you count the category & author), even if you hover over the image is missing. So unless a captivating image is used, it will likely be ignored and passed over, including some truly wonderful mods.
-Square and blocky sections and buttons adds to a harsher, less refined web page layout. It's something you are more likely to see from a lower budget website that uses a cheaper premade web designer program, where you just fill in the blanks and copy and paste links with simplified drag and drop sections and modules. Isn't a mod something where you would tailor a look or feel to something that is being used? The page layouts do not show this, and is a step back from the more progressive design of the old layout.
Yes, those are actual problems. Those are pain in the butt problems to try to correct, for the most part with the new layout. Are they even problems? Moving backwards in a web layout and it's design is a problem. Stability and effort is something that a donation based site needs to show. Being trendy isn't the same and moves away from stability and effort that can be used elsewhere to attend to the desires of the supporters of a donation based website. That is my observation and opinion.
I do like the 'opportunity' that the new layout has. However, the new layout would be something that I would currently avoid. Yes, as in use the website less. Checking in maybe weekly, or monthly, instead of daily or multiple times a day, as I do with the 'old' layout now.
I hope the option will remain to use the old layout for a long time to come.Ethreon wrote: "-News must not be important since you gotta scroll down, from 'home' page, and to the bottom for specific game pages. Yes you can click the header for 'Home' "forum' 'Chat' & 'News' but other than it's scroll scroll scroll."
News are far more rare than new mods/images, and people come here to see mod content and what's new, rather than the same 20 news posts over and over again.
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