SkyrimDarling

I think it should be doable and if it is it's a must I know right? I've also been a bit anti Thalmor, killed a lot of them and I'm in the stormclocks. I don't like ulfric though, it's the only thing stopping me at this point. If I were to romance him, it would end up like Macbeth. Conflicted is definatly what I'm going for with this Thalmor. I'll probably have to play the game finished both ways before I can finish the quest line though.

brilliant outlook.

Seriously!! Wuthering Heights was uber depressing... you aren't getting it mixed up with Gone With The Wind by any chance? I can understand that not being depressing enough for some people..... wow, I'd like to play whatever you write just to see how torn up I get. I'm into tragic characters but it'll be interesting to have a tragic story line. F. Scott Fitzgerald. “Show me a hero, and I'll write you a tragedy.”

yes that would be cool. If we did it well we could make them too different quests as well, then you could end up with a best friend and a spouse.

What do you guys think of a "make me a sandwich" mini quest? where you'll need to collect food items like letace, tomato, cheese, roast(cooked) beef and bread maybe even potatoes... it could be a leftover stew sandwich or something. A friend suggested it. It should have great health qualities. I guess there is no onion or butter in the game but that would make a great sandwich. It would be even better is it is possible to randomize the needed ingredients to keep it interesting. bread is a must though. for the duration of the quest the spouse will say she/he is out of stock when it comes to food and ingredients because it wouldn't be realistic be be sent grocery shopping and then buy it from them. shouldn't be too difficult to do?

drakkenfan and iggy1eco came up with it. ;) thanks... I think this plot is workable and it will definitely be a challenging quest line. We still have a problem catering to both male and female players. we'll probably have to do 2 separate quests?

I would really like it too... obviously it is something we'll have to look into once we have the creation kit and a main modder. Nakanaide - good to have you on board!

Drakkenfan and iggy1eco I believe you have stumbled upon something which has to be done, but might be much more difficult than originally intended. As Sagenth said : "I don't like this for socio-political reasons and the fact that altmeri are dicks. However people marry dicks every day, so it doesn't really matter to me in the end. It is a cool prospect from the modding standpoint having to massage their ego as the quest." Although I like it because of the socio-political reasons. I'm a female Nord, a stormclock, and I just killed ever Thalmor in the Northwatch Keep... what is there for a thalmor to like? nothing exactly... and I'm sure a lot of people are upset when people don't like them especially if that person just saved my life. Imagine this. you are on your way to Markarth (as there are already a lot of Thalmor there and that city is so intriguing you are bound to run into him again he'd be stationed at a bar sometimes or near Ondolemar and the Jarl) when you see an official looking thalmor on the same path. this triggers an overpowering attack obviously aimed at you fight as long as possible and the thalmor is forced to fight beside you. when your health is really low it triggers a blackout like in the bigining of the game. when you come around at the Markarth stables, everything is blurry you see this thalmor face in and out of focus and he moves out of vision, you hear voices... disapproving voices not all mer. He'll be defending his honor, there must be some way to link faction speech so he'd say the appropriate things for female players it'll be easy (who doesn't want to save a damsel in distress) but it would be nice if he uses other aspects to justify saving you. the other npc use the other faction information like "She's a stormcloak!" "Ondolemar won't be pleased" "we have a duty to get rid of talos worshipers" "I think she has fur growing out of her ears" "what if we need to kill her later?" Then you fall back asleep and wake up in the stable while the guys who sell horse and war dogs ask you to leave. you leave and when you run into him next maybe you over hear him talking about home and how comfortless Markarth is. you go up to him and say "you're the guy who saved me." He'll be non comital and then when you insist he'll say, "yes, I did. So you owe me. While that would entitle me to the rest of your life, but I'll settle for a glass of wine." thus the start of some elaborate quests, eventually some together and obviously you'll have some different dialogue options and responses.

@ Drakkenfan sounds interesting, but maybe you could give us a bit more of your idea. How do you meet this Altmer and why does the player find themselves attracted to them? It sounds like a great questline but you've got to make the player want to marry your altmer? what's his history? Maybe he's an old war veterine (it sounds like that would fit in with the missing home senerio.) Is he a potential follower... I think it's fine if he's not. Some people prefer have stay at home spouse and there could be some extra after marriage questline to keep it interesting.

I just read your guide, it's very good. I couldn't open the link before and I wish I had been able to because now I've read it I'm definitely going to re-record the reading of faefolken 1... link to re-recorded

Unfortunately I didn't get that glitch. the ring is worthless to me without already being a werewolf. I used this console commands and they work, just you won't have access to the under forge.

I like it. An interesting (South African?) accent, which adds something to the book. A few pronnciations sound a bit off, but I'm sure that you can sort that out. It is a solid reading, although it sounds like you weren't terribly confident. I'm sure this will improve with time, and you picked a very long book, so I can understand this. Sorry, if this sounds overly critical; I'm not trying to. Good luck with future recordings. Thanks yes I'm South African! I love getting feed back because then I can improve. Yeah I wasn't sure about most of name pronnciations which effected my confidence and I wasn't sure if I should have gone back to my natural voice when the Great Sage started telling the story but I think it works. what do you think? any tips or suggestions? plus that's without any editing i'm not really sure how to do that.

let me know what you think

I was thinking that while all these more advanced mods might take a long time it would be relatively quick and easy to make the care-package separately and in such a way that it would contribute to but be stand alone. would you mind replying under the third link in my signature? I'm trying to get more interest in this. I can contribute to it as a writer but unfortunately I've never modded anything ever. I only just decided to do anything more involved than download mods I think I'd only really need one modded but I'm not sure. Practically everything is in the game already. should be able to work along side any future romance or independent companion mods, which I'm looking forward to.

@Mugabuga - why don't you look for a book that needs a voice like yours rather than stressing your vocal cords? I have no idea what you sound like so I can't suggest anything. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Books You can always record something and put it on soundcloud, what's the worst that can happen. They'll say sorry we can't use your record but thanks for trying. Good saying Nothing Ventured Nothing Gained. I'm also just putting my reading on soundcloud just waiting till i'm home and away from this noisy air con.

I was thinking that while all these more advanced mods might take a long time it would be relatively quick and easy to make the care-package separately and in such a way that it would contribute to but be stand alone. would you mind replying under the third link in my signature? I'm trying to get more interest in this. I can contribute to it as a writer but unfortunately I've never modded anything ever. I only just decided to do anything more involved than download mods :D I think I'd only really need one modded but I'm not sure. Practically everything is in the game already. should be able to work along side any future romance or independent companion mods, which I'm looking forward to. Thing is the pirate crew was an official esp data pack for oblivion. I think it would be possible to get animations from it and probably their voices, or you could try get some new voice actors, and you'd more than likely need someone to do re textures. If you put up a modding request I'll support you...

@qw56q - you sound awesome @Incrediblezagzag - you are a really grand narrator.

you can bounce your writing off me if you like. I'm afraid that I'm no use in any other area's just, talking and writing. I've got to go to be. it's 1:25am here and new years tomorrow a long day. cheers for now.

@blaydon - cool thanks :) @ NathanRyan- I'm good for it. Not a professional but I did some voice overs for my fathers work a while back and I want to help with the skyrim audio books as well.

there are many meantioned in romance mods requests Esteris says: "For Oblivion, I think it was RTT and Ariana Trudeaux at least. I think there's been one for Viconia de'Vir as well. There has also been a friendship mod I enjoyed very much called Dremora Companion." blaydon lists these: Constance, Laura, WitchGirl, Julan, Vilja , Saerileth, Viconia DeVir. although that is under elderscrolls 3 and 4. check out my request. I think it's viable alternative and much less work. basically on the topic that I touched on here.

@blaydon - Vilja (Latest versions including some dialogue written by Sir Terry Pratchett) .... please say it's in/for oblivion (it's still installed on my pc) and tell me how to find it. Sir Terry Pratchett is a genius.

@Esteris - thanks for explaining :) I've wandering what all these vanilla things are. yeah and have you noticed how their are only human children? that's apparently of fixable by clicking the ncp setscale 0.8, I haven't tried it yet and anyway they'd be little adults I guess, no cute children voices or silly saying or the wanna play tag. imagine playing tag with a little khajiit @ NathanRyan - wow, this is so exciting. I don't think there will be any problems with voice acting, there are a lot of nice sounding people working on the skyrim audio books. Esteris signature implies that she might help out if you ask her nicely (just trying to not volunteer other peoples services, hope you don't mind.) I can also help out with female voice acting. @Sagenth - no bosmers! nooo! I had no idea. I assumed when the dark elf reacted to the amulet that the rest of the elves would too. can they have addfac 19809 1 to make them marriageable? I'll test it out just now.

So I was thinking it would really nice if once in a while the courier would come with good news, not "help needed" or "Lydia is dead" but a nice note from your husband/wife or friends(people who you've completed a quest for, potential marriage partners or followers). they don't need to be long or complicated, just "hope you are", or "don't get yourself killed" maybe included a gift off a cooked meal or health potion. beauty is because the note is written you can make more elaborate notes, love poems or something. I think the game is capable of writing, as my name was in kodlak journal and apparently your spouse will occasionally give you a gifts. I guess it's even possible to make more personal letters, like Erik the slayer can write about some little adventure. I'm sure there are many people here who could come up with some adventures. I don't know much (by that I mean anything) about modding but I'm guessing that this would be like a random event, wouldn't need a quest line or anything.

@NathanRyan Vanilla voices? Are they the ones that come with the game? do they have to say what the npc say and then you work it into the script? or can you chop and change them? I was wandering, some of npc followers have the same lines but different voices why didn't they just give them different lines or is the voice digitally edited. either way they've come a long way since oblivion. I hated how the beggars changed to a strong voice as soon as you gave them money and the speech craft had different voices too occasionally but it was fun. Sorry if I'm bothering you with all these silly questions. @LukeSkyrimmer firstly, I love your user name! Secondly, I know right? what were they thinking making Khajiits unmarriable, if you are playing as a Khajiit you can't even marry your own kind o_O maybe they don't believe in Mara! :laugh:

@ Sarpedon - I don't think you were being rude. Just misunderstood. Would Love more wedding locations. I married this merchant and he said that the ceremony was small but it would do! I didn't stay married to him went back to saved game. just wanted to see how much the marriage dialogue changed. @ Esteris- Thanks :) I think it's an excellent request you've made. I'm sure some one will take up the cause. sounds so thrilling! I'd love it simply if the courier would send the player notes or care packages from the spouse every now and again. I think that would be really sweet. check out the More independent companions. that also looks like something you'd like. @ NathanRyan - Cool, I can't imagine how you'll do it without voice acting, but it sounds awesome can't wait to see what you come up with.