When I start the game wit the regular launcher it works fine, but I dont get most of my mods that need obse. When I load the game with obse_loader.exe it starts up fine, the bethesda logo pops up and when i hit enter or even if i let it just go through the motions it eventually ends up at the menu with no options. The options are there, you can scroll over them and hear them. I can even get in the game but when I do its all distorted. I'll list my mods maybe someone here can relate? Better Cities Better Dungeons Better Magic SFX DarkUId_DarN_16 Dungeon Flashing Light Bug Fix Marts Monster Mod Natural Environments OBGEv3+Standalone Effects and Liquid Water obse 0020 oblivion stutter remover Qarl tp3 + patch + QTP3 UOP 32 compatibility patch unofficial oblivion, shivering isles, and mods patches obmm thats all i use. any help at all would be appreciated. I can also post my shader list if thats important.