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    You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

    in Site Support

    Posted

    The adult tag is for excessive gore, violence and such - the "no nudity" warning box takes priority.

     

    Another point that's anything but obvious.

     

     

    ... speaking about the rules concerning the image share, here's the link to the topic regarding the nudity in the image share. As you can see it was made way before you uploaded the image.

     

    The first post in the topic also has some links to the images that are examples of what kind of images are acceptable and what not.

    I'll go ahead and quote myself here:

     

    And yes, I did read the "Clarification thread" - only to be even more confused than before. The examples of what's allowed in the adult-section - which would potentially be most helpful - aren't helpful at all. 2 don't work, 2 are about combat, and 1 is acceptable because (although showing nipples) it's covered by a skintight suit. New insights = 0

    You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

    in Site Support

    Posted

    As many of you were not around when the image share was splint to create the newer supporter image share.

     

    At that time, fully 80 to 90 percent of the images in the users image share were female 'figure studies' Some quite good, most fairly average and some not so good. Some nearly fully covered, most partly covered and some nude. Some very arty , most average and some borderline porn. But in order to see anything else a user would have to pass through a dozen 'figure studies' for each landscape, another dozen for a monster fight and still another to see a mounted knight in his tin suit. Many of these were by the same 4 or 5 people posting dozens of similar pics.

     

    At the same time that the image share was split, a limit of 5 pics per person per day, and 10 per day for a premium member was instituted. The reason was not that we don't like to look at nice pics of partly clad women ( well, most of us anyway :tongue:) But to give other people a chance to see what they wanted to see, if what they wanted to see was not the 'figure studies' that flooded the image share.

     

    We don't try to judge the pics on quality or whether or not they would be allowed in a Bible or not - in fact I have seen a very similar image on a stained glass window in a cathedral. The purpose is to move the figure study type image to another section, then because some of the pics posted there are soft core porn, find a way to show the mommies that we were actually making an effort to keep their underage snowflakes from seeing soft porn on a game site while allowing those same kiddies to see the other images.

     

    In order to try to make it clear :rolleyes: Dark0ne posted the rules we go by. Since then we have heard every excuse, every piece of warped logic and every complaint imaginable from people too cheap to pay the extremely low one time ticket price to access the supporter image share - either to post there or to see what is there.

     

    Note: All Premium members are automatically allowed into the supporter image section - even after their premium expires. :thumbsup:

     

    The image was not removed because it was porn. But because it did violate the rules as we interpret them. And we don't want to get into "But you allowed that other one and my pic doesn't show even that much." type arguments.

    No one disagrees that there have to be rules. But quite frankly, even if I could, I wouldn't want to post it in the supporters section. Firstly I wouldnt want it to be in "that" section, surrounded by all the kinds of shots you mentioned, because I do not regard it as "that" kind of image. Secondly, if only some 10% ? of the people can see it - what's the point?

     

     

     

    There is a fine line between censorship and good taste and moral responsibility.

     

    - Steven Spielberg

    You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

    in Site Support

    Posted

    I don't see how the rules as they stand could be much clearer

    They could be a lot clearer. "Dont show anything of the breast from Areola downwards" That would be really clear. But "no nudity"?

    For more, see my previous post.

     

    Any rule on this will ALWAYS include subjective definitions requiring interpretation. You cannot rigidly and explicitly define "acceptable partial nudity" without subjective judgements, it is quite literally impossible.

    Of course. But that shouldn't be such an impossible task. The publisher of the above mentioned children's bible managed. The church manages in oh-so-many churches. Any museum manages.

    All it would take is a handful of respectable members clicking a button. Let's say 5 out of a pool of 100?

    But I dont think we're supposed to discuss this.

     

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    if you felt such need to contact everyone then you must have known it was walking the line.

    No. Quite the contrary. The reason was that the first time I was confronted with nudity rules was the time the shot was removed when uploaded without adult-tag. Since I found the rules to be utterly confusing, I thought the best would be to directly ask someone.

    Point being I originally didnt even think it necessary to put it in the adult section.

     

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    The rules on the image share can not be more clear..

    I've already stated how i think about this - but I wish the best of luck to anyone who tries to interpret them in the future!

     

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    Why was it not picked up before? Because thousands of screenies are uploaded daily on this place. We can view neither all the post or all the pics that come across on this site without the help from the community. Sometime we just see it....usually though it gets reported.

    I can not believe all of the staff members and all of the moderators manage to overlook the top image of the top image section for 13 (!) days. And I doubt you can guarantee this - it's not as if anyone could tell who did or didnt see it.

    You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

    in Site Support

    Posted

    @The Vampire Dante

     

    Yes, you have told me multiple times now, and I have no trouble comprehending what you mean. I'll confirm I understood what your viewpoint is and there's no need to repeat.

     

    I never argued about it. The rules are what you say they are - it's just difficult to anticipate them if you draw them up with hindsight [that was my point].

    But of course you differ on that.

     

     

     

    you have to go without posting material of that sort.

    Don't worry I'll go without posting material of any sort.

    You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

    in Site Support

    Posted · Edited by Yagho

    I know this seems like a super big issue because some of your work was just removed and it needs to be sorted out right this instant.

    Please don't patronize me. I didnt bring it up when I was first confronted with the topic, because I feared creating a stir about it would just provoke mods. Of course I'm upset it was removed - especially given the circumstances - and of course it provides an impulse for this discussion. I dont see how that compromises the topic's relevance.

     

    I've got a bandwidth overage bill to pay, new servers to set-up, sites that have been running terribly for the past 2 weeks that need fixing, features that we've planned and worked on for years in the pipe-line...so there might be a bit of a need for perspective in your thinking.

    I didnt ask You to do anything. The only thing You would have to do is being open for suggestions.

    One thing any boss should be good at - I've been told and taught - is delegation.

     

    But I see discussions and suggestions on this topic are unasked for - so back to the original topic:

     

     

    I've apologised for not getting back to your private message and we've clarified why your image was removed, so now you know. Is there anything more than needs to be discussed?

     

    We did? According to you it was removed due to a partly visible areola (not being a native-speaker I even had to look that up). I did a search of "areola" here on the nexus: "Your search for the term areola returned 1 results"

    That would be your earlier post in this thread.

     

    I maintain the rules weren't and aren't clear. I did not and - as far as I can see - could not have known that a few pixels of areola are over the line.

     

    And although I'm aware how futile the attempt is, I kindly and humbly beg you to reinstate the picture. Call it an exception due to circumstances.

    It's always a judgment call. If you work with vague terms as "near nudity" you'll always interpret your own rules.

    You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

    in Site Support

    Posted · Edited by Yagho

    I can absolutely recognize the need for moderation and clear rules - I don't want a porn site either.

    But that you do not have. The rules are not clear.

     

    What does that notice really tell you?

    http://i50.tinypic.com/dgq5u1.jpg

     

    Genitals, that's pretty clear. But breasts? How much of the breast? Obviously not all, then you couldnt even post a char with the forsworn armor. What then? Before posting I asked around in the chat, and people told me the rule is "no nipples". None of that in my shot - so I'm fine? Yes? No? Same with "buttocks". The part saying " characters that are wearing so little that they might as well be naked (like 1 pixel wide thongs that cover nothing up)" is the most misleading - by implication this should mean that anything that covers (significantly) more than 1-pixel wide thongs is acceptable. Obviously that's not how you interpret the rules.

    And yes, I did read the "Clarification thread" - only to be even more confused than before. The examples of what's allowed in the adult-section - which would potentially be most helpful - aren't helpful at all. 2 don't work, 2 are about combat, and 1 is acceptable because (although showing nipples) it's covered by a skintight suit. New insights = 0

     

     

    I feel I had done my part by sincerely trying to get up-front approval. And I sincerely thought it was considered acceptable by no one taking it down or even approaching me about it. Having it taken down after 2 weeks and 100 endorsements, I can't help but feel thoroughly taken for a ride.

     

     

    Implementing a concept that allows artful half-nudity while prohibiting smut wouldnt be rocket science either. Putting this issue (and the image share in general) off till there's more time is - I believe - not the right way to go. There are concepts that are "work- and resource-friendly". I can absolutely see your viewpoint. But I'm not sure the course you're taking is advisable. Right now you have millions of users and don't need to care about a bunch being unsatisfied/leaving. But in the long run you're still a platform provider who depends on their users.

    You already have a certain reputation. (I'm not saying that's fair, but you have it). And it's things like these that make it manifest itself.

     

     

     

    Me seeing what I'm seeing is because it's right there in front of me to see, and nothing more than that.

    Come on. You seeing what you're seeing is a handful of slightly darker pixels. A handful of pixels that arent there on purpose, but because I, in contrast, failed to see them. Trust me - if I could now move the stupid branch by 1cm I would.

     

     

     

    For the sake of argument - a picture from a children's bible and a masterpiece by Rubens

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XKM2Vdje-3g/T8pEJ33YW8I/AAAAAAAAIVc/NTtqY-x-OrI/s400/Kids+Bible+Story+of+Adam+and+Eve.jpghttp://hookedonthebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Adam-nEve-230x300.jpg

    You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

    in Site Support

    Posted · Edited by Yagho

    You never asked me, I would have told you no.

     

    I did. I asked both of you. The first time I naively and foolishly uploaded without the adult-tag (having never dealt with "nudity"-content before) and it was removed within 2 minutes.

    I approached you in the chat whether I could upload it with adult-tag and you told me you dont know, you couldn't see the image and I should wait till someone talked to me about it. No one ever did.

     

    First I knew of it. If I'd seen it on the day of upload I'd have pulled it.

     

    The first one gets removed within 2 minutes and the second one gets by - in Top Images - for 13 days without anyone noticing?

    Without any malice: I find that hard to believe.

     

     

    Having said that, our rules couldn't be much clearer in that regard "...or characters that are wearing so little they might as well be naked".

     

    I'm sorry but they're not, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks so.

    Trust me had I known a little more about the topic when I made the shot I would have covered them up like nuns. But I didnt know, so I did what I thought was tasteful. You seeing what you are is nothing more than due to the fact that is extremely difficult to line up everything perfectly - I still maintain there's absolutely nothing offensive in my shot.

     

    I mean, for crying out loud, every children's bible shows more than I did! (Trust me, I checked). And every classical painting would have to be classified as porn if you take that yardstick.

    You removed my +100 endorsement screenshot? Are you kidding me???

    in Site Support

    Posted

    I just saw you decided to remove my screenshot.

     

    The one called “The Fall of Man”.

    The one with more than 100 endorsements.

    The one which went to Top Images within 1 hour.

    The one which has already been on the Nexus for 13 (!) days.

     

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

     

    After 13 days, at least a dozen moderators and staff members must have seen the image and decided not to delete it. And then? What happened now? One single, brave mod decided to “set the world right” again? Or what?

     

    Do you have ANY idea how much work I put into this?

    Do you have ANY idea how much all those amazing comments meant to me?

    Do you have ANY idea how much it means to a screenarcher like me to get 100 endorsements within 2 weeks on a shot?

     

    Do you have ANY idea how devastating it is to have one’s best picture taken away?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I’ll tell you. It’s so devastating, it makes me want to quit the Nexus.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    PS: This is it – what’s left of it.

    http://static.skyrim.nexusmods.com/images/thumbnails/439096-1344008467.jpg

    Spawning grass with console

    in Skyrim LE

    Posted

    Know the commands and use them quite often but thanks anyways!

     

    Actually trees and flowers spawn to the ground, but not the grass. But the floating isnt the big issue, the problem is that the grass looks nothing like it should :/

     

    But I guess you simply can't do it this way :/

    Passing the Torch

    in Off-Topic

    Posted · Edited by Yagho

    Man, I keep pushing this back - what's the deadline for the greenscreen shots?

     

    EDIT: Sorry - first read, then write I keep telling myself, but nooo... (it's the 30. if anyone else was wondering)

    Passing the Torch

    in Off-Topic

    Posted

    Doing a slight restyle of the wallpaper / mod page.

     

    For rollback purposes this is the current code

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Now it's your turn! Upload your image and post a comment and a link in [url=http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/709901-passing-the-torch]Passing The Torch[/url] and help this image gallery grow. Be sure to click on the images and give love to their creators:[/size][/center]



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For now the file only contains a few images. We are still working on getting permissions from everyone.

[size="3"]Credits:
LABTECH For starting this off!
Yagho for his great headers!
Everyone else for continuing this![/size]

    Passing the Torch

    in Off-Topic

    Posted

    Hi & welcome! :)

     

    You can put this code in your description :wink: 

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    Passing the Torch

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    Posted · Edited by Yagho

    Soo, are we keeping them ordered or do we take midhras aesthetic version?

     

    Thanks for the effort midhras :thumbsup:

     

    EDIT: Well I'm taking his version for now :)

    Passing the Torch

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    Alright the new Cover Page is UP! :)

     

    And the new code (which links to it) is:

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