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It's probably a mix of two factors: savegame bloat and lack in RAM (i.e. the game goes into a loop because being unable to load the savegame because not enough RAM at its disposition). Not saying that this is the cause; it's what comes to mind after having had similar issues (start-up loop, load game loop whenever I went from inside to outside and vice-versa) when I'd installed a truckload of mods.
That's possible. Here's why it doesn't make sense to me. NOTHING I do with the RAM changes which saves produce the ILS. The saves that work, load no matter what. I can run a bunch of programs in the background (including Crashplan, which is a total resource hog, taking 3 to 4 GB of RAM) and they still load. The saves that cause ILS, do so no matter what. I can kill all background processes, disable ENB, etc. They still won't load.
And remember, I have at times loaded a save, RESAVED IMMEDIATELY, and produced a save that causes ILS. Again, the loadable save loads no matter how much I'm taxing my RAM. The immediate resave causes ILS regardless of how much I'm babying it. That leads me to think the ILS isn't being caused by savegame bloat or lack of RAM.
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My most recent saves all cause Infinite Loading Screen (ILS). Earlier saves are fine, BUT the problem comes back. Say I play for half an hour, making five saves along the way (all indoors to be safe). The last two or three will cause ILS. The first two or three will load and be playable. But if I load one of those games and re-save it right away, the new save will often cause ILS. If it doesn't, the next save 5 minutes later will.
If I load one of those saves, I can play for several hours, saving along the way. The game will not stutter or freeze or crash. But not a single one of those saves will be loadable. I'll have wasted all that time.
There is no particular location or situation that causes this.
The Safety Load mod does not help in my case.
This happened once before and I "solved" it by restoring a save from 20 hours of gameplay prior. That worked to allow me to replay those 20 hours and add at least another 10. Then the problem came back.
Tech Details:
- Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
- 97 GB free space on Skyrim drive
- GEForce 560 video card with 2GB RAM
- Intel® Core i7-2700K 3.50 GHz CPU
- RAM - 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory
Skyrim Details
- Latest version of Skyrim and skse.
- Run game through Mod Organizer using Loot to check the load order and then creating a bashed patch
- Cleaned the 3 DLC with TES5edit and checked to make sure the uncleaned versions hadn't resurrected (as they sometimes do)
- Load Order
0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
7 7 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
8 8 Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm
9 9 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
10 a XFLMain.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
11 b 1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp
12 c 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp
13 d Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp
14 e WetandCold.esp
15 f AOS.esp
16 10 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
17 11 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
18 12 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
19 13 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
20 14 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
21 15 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
22 16 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
23 17 NonEssentialChildren.esp
24 18 [MPX] NPC Gender Race Heights V2.esp
25 19 ADS.esp
26 1a Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
27 1b Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp
28 1c Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
29 1d Beards.esp
30 1e Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
31 1f XFLDialogue.esp
32 20 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
33 21 SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
34 22 Distant DetailHF.esp
35 23 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
36 24 Brawl Bugs CE.esp
37 25 Brows.esp
38 26 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
39 27 ClamsDropPearls.esp
40 28 Convenient Horses.esp
41 29 CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
42 2a CoT-WeatherPatch_NL3.esp
43 2b CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
44 2c dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
45 2d dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
46 2e DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
47 2f DragonShoutVoice.esp
48 30 Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
49 31 DynamicMerchants.esp
50 32 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
51 33 BirdsHFclean.esp
52 34 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
53 35 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
54 36 Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
55 37 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
56 38 SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp
57 39 Cloaks.esp
58 3a Run For Your Lives.esp
59 3b Point The Way.esp
60 3c SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
61 3d RealisticWaterTwo.esp
62 3e RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
63 3f SMIM-Merged-All.esp
64 40 Better Followers - NP.esp
65 41 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp
66 42 quest_seaofghosts.esp
67 43 SkyrimImprovedPuddles.esp
68 44 SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp
69 45 betterdawnstar.esp
70 46 bettermarkarthexterieur.esp
71 47 tavevillages.esp
72 48 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
73 49 Chesko_Frostfall.esp
74 4a LIAT - Sounds.esp
75 4b BetterBreezhomeLighting.esp
76 4c Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp
77 4d whiterunexenhanced.esp
78 4e PilgrimsDelight.esp
79 4f The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
80 50 detailed outskirts.esp
81 51 tavefalkreath.esp
82 52 BlockSparkles.esp
83 53 Breezehome Firepit Removed.esp
84 54 CCO_Frostfall_Patch.esp
85 55 Gildergreen Regrown.esp
86 56 SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp
87 57 Chesko_Step418_SN.esp
88 58 Dead Body Collision.esp
89 59 Elemental Staves.esp
90 5a EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
91 5b Footprints.esp
92 5c Grass_On_Steroids_SFO.esp
93 5d Grassification_SFO.esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp
94 5e Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Normal Weight).esp
95 5f Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp
96 60 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp
97 61 HearthfireMoveKidsfix.esp
98 62 IHSS.esp
99 63 iHUD.esp
100 64 imp_helm_legend.esp
101 65 Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
102 66 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
103 67 Lock Overhaul.esp
104 68 MintyLightningMod.esp
105 69 MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
106 6a Moss Rocks.esp
107 6b Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp
108 6c NoxUE2.00.esp
109 6d RaceMenu.esp
110 6e RaceMenuPlugin.esp
111 6f Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
112 70 Rainbows.esp
113 71 RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp
114 72 SFO - Dragonborn.esp
115 73 ShootingStars.esp
116 74 SkyUI.esp
117 75 Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
118 76 Snotgurg Simple Drop Lit Torches.esp
119 77 Soul Gems Differ.esp
120 78 SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
121 79 SubtitlesHotkey.esp
122 7a Supreme Fog - CoT.esp
123 7b TakeNotes.esp
124 7c torches for RL (happy medium).esp
125 7d TradeBarter.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
126 7e WetandCold - Ashes.esp
127 7f whistle.esp
128 80 XFLPlugins.esp
129 81 LIAT - NPCs.esp
130 82 AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp
131 83 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
132 84 TrueStorms-CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
133 85 Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
134 86 CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
135 87 AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp
136 88 AOS2_SupremeStorms_CoT Patch.esp
137 89 AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
138 8a Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
139 8b Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
140 8c AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
141 8d AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
Paralysis.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
142 8e BetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.esp
143 8f BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
144 90 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp
145 91 warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp
146 92 Bring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.esp
147 93 iNeed.esp
148 94 iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
149 95 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp
150 96 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
I checked one of the bad savegames with TESVESSE. Under Global data table 3 > Papyrus it said I had 38,054 strings. So I'm nowhere near capacity on that.
This does not appear to be a memory problem. As I say, the game runs quite smoothly. I'll get an occasional CTD--maybe one per 2 hours of gameplay. And very occasionaly I'll get a 1-second freeze or a short stutter.
My saved games have gotten progressively larger over 100 to 200 hours of gameplay (guesstimate). They started out around 5 MB and are now at 32 MB. As far as I can tell, though, there isn't some size threshhold causing the ILS. Still, I wish there were some way to save my quest records, possessions, and discovered places and transfer them to a newly created character. That would get rid of the save bloat without making me start all over. (I've done that so many times, I am SICK of those early quests.)
Thanks. I have spent hours researching savegame bloat and trying various recommendations. Nothing works. And as I say, I really doubt this is the cause of the problem.
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My most recent saves all cause Infinite Loading Screen (ILS). Earlier saves are fine, BUT the problem comes back. Say I play for half an hour, making five saves along the way (all indoors to be safe). The last two or three will cause ILS. The first two or three will load and be playable. But if I load one of those games and re-save it right away, the new save will often cause ILS. If it doesn't, the next save 5 minutes later will.
If I load one of those saves, I can play for several hours, saving along the way. The game will not stutter or freeze or crash. But not a single one of those saves will be loadable. I'll have wasted all that time.
There is no particular location or situation that causes this.
The Safety Load mod does not help in my case.
This happened once before and I "solved" it by restoring a save from 20 hours of gameplay prior. That worked to allow me to replay those 20 hours and add at least another 10. Then the problem came back.
Tech Details:
- Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
- 97 GB free space on Skyrim drive
- GEForce 560 video card with 2GB RAM
- Intel® Core i7-2700K 3.50 GHz CPU
- RAM - 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory
Skyrim Details
- Latest version of Skyrim and skse.
- Run game through Mod Organizer using Loot to check the load order and then creating a bashed patch
- Cleaned the 3 DLC with TES5edit and checked to make sure the uncleaned versions hadn't resurrected (as they sometimes do)
- Load Order
0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
6 6 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
7 7 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
8 8 Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm
9 9 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
10 a XFLMain.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
11 b 1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp
12 c 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp
13 d Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp
14 e WetandCold.esp
15 f AOS.esp
16 10 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
17 11 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
18 12 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
19 13 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
20 14 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
21 15 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
22 16 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
23 17 NonEssentialChildren.esp
24 18 [MPX] NPC Gender Race Heights V2.esp
25 19 ADS.esp
26 1a Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
27 1b Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp
28 1c Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
29 1d Beards.esp
30 1e Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
31 1f XFLDialogue.esp
32 20 Book Covers Skyrim.esp
33 21 SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
34 22 Distant DetailHF.esp
35 23 SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
36 24 Brawl Bugs CE.esp
37 25 Brows.esp
38 26 Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
39 27 ClamsDropPearls.esp
40 28 Convenient Horses.esp
41 29 CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
42 2a CoT-WeatherPatch_NL3.esp
43 2b CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp
44 2c dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
45 2d dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
46 2e DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
47 2f DragonShoutVoice.esp
48 30 Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
49 31 DynamicMerchants.esp
50 32 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
51 33 BirdsHFclean.esp
52 34 EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
53 35 Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
54 36 Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
55 37 TheChoiceIsYours.esp
56 38 SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp
57 39 Cloaks.esp
58 3a Run For Your Lives.esp
59 3b Point The Way.esp
60 3c SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
61 3d RealisticWaterTwo.esp
62 3e RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
63 3f SMIM-Merged-All.esp
64 40 Better Followers - NP.esp
65 41 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp
66 42 quest_seaofghosts.esp
67 43 SkyrimImprovedPuddles.esp
68 44 SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp
69 45 betterdawnstar.esp
70 46 bettermarkarthexterieur.esp
71 47 tavevillages.esp
72 48 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
73 49 Chesko_Frostfall.esp
74 4a LIAT - Sounds.esp
75 4b BetterBreezhomeLighting.esp
76 4c Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp
77 4d whiterunexenhanced.esp
78 4e PilgrimsDelight.esp
79 4f The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
80 50 detailed outskirts.esp
81 51 tavefalkreath.esp
82 52 BlockSparkles.esp
83 53 Breezehome Firepit Removed.esp
84 54 CCO_Frostfall_Patch.esp
85 55 Gildergreen Regrown.esp
86 56 SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp
87 57 Chesko_Step418_SN.esp
88 58 Dead Body Collision.esp
89 59 Elemental Staves.esp
90 5a EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
91 5b Footprints.esp
92 5c Grass_On_Steroids_SFO.esp
93 5d Grassification_SFO.esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp
94 5e Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Normal Weight).esp
95 5f Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp
Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp
96 60 Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp
97 61 HearthfireMoveKidsfix.esp
98 62 IHSS.esp
99 63 iHUD.esp
100 64 imp_helm_legend.esp
101 65 Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
102 66 JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
103 67 Lock Overhaul.esp
104 68 MintyLightningMod.esp
105 69 MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
106 6a Moss Rocks.esp
107 6b Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp
108 6c NoxUE2.00.esp
109 6d RaceMenu.esp
110 6e RaceMenuPlugin.esp
111 6f Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
112 70 Rainbows.esp
113 71 RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp
114 72 SFO - Dragonborn.esp
115 73 ShootingStars.esp
116 74 SkyUI.esp
117 75 Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
118 76 Snotgurg Simple Drop Lit Torches.esp
119 77 Soul Gems Differ.esp
120 78 SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
121 79 SubtitlesHotkey.esp
122 7a Supreme Fog - CoT.esp
123 7b TakeNotes.esp
124 7c torches for RL (happy medium).esp
125 7d TradeBarter.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
126 7e WetandCold - Ashes.esp
127 7f whistle.esp
128 80 XFLPlugins.esp
129 81 LIAT - NPCs.esp
130 82 AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp
131 83 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
132 84 TrueStorms-CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
133 85 Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp
134 86 CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp
135 87 AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp
136 88 AOS2_SupremeStorms_CoT Patch.esp
137 89 AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
138 8a Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
139 8b Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
140 8c AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
141 8d AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
Paralysis.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
142 8e BetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.esp
143 8f BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
144 90 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp
145 91 warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp
146 92 Bring Out Your Dead - Legendary Edition.esp
147 93 iNeed.esp
148 94 iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp
149 95 Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp
150 96 Bashed Patch, 0.espI checked one of the bad savegames with TESVESSE. Under Global data table 3 > Papyrus it said I had 38,054 strings. So I'm nowhere near capacity on that.
This does not appear to be a memory problem. As I say, the game runs quite smoothly. I'll get an occasional CTD--maybe one per 2 hours of gameplay. And very occasionaly I'll get a 1-second freeze or a short stutter.
My saved games have gotten progressively larger over 100 to 200 hours of gameplay (guesstimate). They started out around 5 MB and are now at 32 MB. As far as I can tell, though, there isn't some size threshhold causing the ILS. Still, I wish there were some way to save my quest records, possessions, and discovered places and transfer them to a newly created character. That would get rid of the save bloat without making me start all over. (I've done that so many times, I am SICK of those early quests.)
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I found this post because I was searching for a solution to this problem. No luck. But after some digging, I think I've found one all by myself. I'm using Mod Organizer, so my details may be different. But the crucial facts are these:
A) Headbomb's original Better Sorting mod can stay around even after you think you've uninstalled it, deleted it, performed an exorcism, and entered Witness Protection.
B) It can fight Sharlikan's patch and win.
So even if you've installed the patch over the original, or deleted the original and installed the "patch" (which is fully functional on its own and has everything it needs from the original already inside it), you can still end up with the original esp files that BOSS lectures you about.
I think the following steps can solve that problem. Worked for me, anyway.
1. Search your hard drive(s) for headbomb*.esp (just like that, with the asterisk. Now might be a good time to download Everything and let it index your hard drive. It'll probably be done before Windows is finished with its search. And then you can use Everything to run the search and watch how it spits back the results faster than you can blink.)
2. Delete them all. (If you think some of them are safely in a backup folder that Skyrim absolutely will not bother with, fine. That's your lookout. Just delete the ones that might be causing the trouble. Wimp.)
3. Reinstall ONLY the Sharlikan patch. There is no need to re-install the original.
4. Run BOSS and see if the problem disappears.
5. If anyone tries this, let me know either way. But if it doesn't work, I'm likely out of ideas.
I'm not sure why the original mod behaved this way. And to be fair, it wasn't quite the original mod. I tried to repair the original esp files with TES5Edit before going back and actually reading BOSS' warning message instead of assuming I knew what it said. (Dirty edits. It's ALWAYS dirty edits. Well, I know how to fix THAT....) :wallbash:
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