Yes you did, and thank you for your patience with me. the info from this post did help, thanks. I would just like to ask for future reference, when using the console command - help 'armor name' - and the armor in question does not show up (i'm guessing the author named it something else), what other option would i have? i tried "help armor" and with the help of the "page up" button i was able to scroll through the list of original and modded armors but the ancient nord armor was not there... Some armor mods won't appear on a npc so the showinventory command won't always be there to help. would it make me an ass to assume the author of such mods (non-forgable) would add the "real in-game name" or the ID on the description page? any case, thank you somuch for you help. :thumbsup: