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The change to the way the website is handled was jarring. After the big Stardew Update, suddenly being shamed for not being a premium member with every updated mod I download is... horrible, honestly. It's making me less willing to update mods now, and is concerning for the mod I'm making- if others are less likely to download mods due to this change, what would be the point in uploading one?
Dark addressed the change in the Mod Authors Discord a few days ago. The rate at which users are upgrading to Premium membership has increased significantly.
Don't believe the lies and distortions by forever free users; the change has so far proven to be a massive boon to the Nexus.
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don't have the disposable income to spend on a premium membership to a site where the payment doesnt go to the content creators.
Um...
First of all, if you can't afford to spend US$2.99 for a month of Premium membership (which includes the Supporter role for a lifetime), playing games and downloading mods aren't going to lead you to the promised land.
Second, the Nexus shares a percentage of Premium membership revenue with mod authors across the network in the form of Donation Points (DP).
89.9% of the payouts to mod authors is sourced directly from Nexus revenue. The 10.1% remainder comes from the Mod Author Donation Fund.
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Regarding the vast majority of mods here (edit: I mean those for Bethesda's games), it's actually the mod authors that offer their mods for free. These are Bethesda's terms.
Nexus cannot legally charge for mods, regardless of the costs.
1. There are 858 games on the Nexus, not just the few games by Bethesda.
2. Bethesda can't and won't tell the Nexus how to run its business.
3. Consequently, the Nexus can charge for any number of things related to its services, including storage space, download rates, traffic/bandwidth limits, file upload/download limits, page limits, API limits, and other systems and features. There are many, many places where Nexus can monetize and, you know what, they don't.
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I think it's a sign of greed personally.
The Nexus promotes its offerings to bring in revenue to keep the lights on and reward mod authors.
The users who have free accounts want everything for free without interruptions, distractions, or limitations forever - damn the costs!
Who's greedy again?
You liked my donut story but you clearly missed the point.
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I was literally considering giving them some money out of sheer generosity
I'm sure you were right on the checkout page in another browser tab when, wham, the change took place, and you were like "nah, fam, I can't support dis." Please...
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You are telling another user that they are crossing a line.
So I am asking again, do you have any official capacity here ?
If you use the script, you would be violating the Nexus Terms of Service. That's the line that would be crossed.
As I said, you're asking a very strange question.
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Do you have any official capacity here ?
Strange question.
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I'm not sure if you are pointing that at me directly of just speaking generally
Generally. You already said you're a Premium member and we can see that badge plainly. No reason I'd be referring to you specifically.
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Not to mention it was an unannounced change, after a lot of talk and hype over the new UI a few months back. That had a opt-in beta and plenty of info spread around about it before implementation, so why not this change? [...] At the very least, a warning in the form of an announcement would have allayed some of the shock and outrage, though probably not the protests about the system itself.
This is from the Nexus Terms of Service:
We reserve the right to change this document, as well as our various policies and guidelines, at any time. By continuing to use the service, you automatically agree to any revisions of these terms. [...] Nexus Mods reserves the right to reconfigure its offerings and organisation and may choose to do so at any time. This includes but is not limited to our services, website designs, membership pricing and offerings, advertising programs and partnerships, as well as staff related and/or administrative restructuring.
But it is obvious that a lot of people are angry about it, and anger is usually a very good motivator.
Using that script is a violation of the Nexus TOS:
You will use Nexus Mods services reasonably and as intended. You may not display, duplicate, dismantle, reverse engineer, circumvent, or repurpose any property or service owned or operated by Nexus Mods without consent. You will not intentionally harm, disparage, or in any way disrupt the operation of Nexus Mods websites, systems, property, or staff.
I've been in contact with a member of the Nexus staff. They are aware of the script, as well as that it breaks certain elements of the site, and they have confirmed that using that script is a TOS violation. The consequences for using that script have not been disclosed to me, but if you are using that script, you should be aware that you are crossing a line.
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Continue would imply that I can use it as I have in the past.
"Continue" doesn't actually imply that.
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INTERNEX - "The Nexus of History for the Known Universe!"
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Welcome, Free User!
Search Query> civilization:Earth AND species:Human AND donuts
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18,933,350 records matched your query. Returning the most recent one:
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Record ID: af9b507f-3ea6-4aac-948b-fd4ebcaa3235
Record Type: Summary [Limited Access]
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Every Monday morning, employees assembled in an open meeting room for free donuts. After indulging their sweet tooths, they started their work days happy in their cubicles.
And then one Monday morning the employees arrived at work to a different world: there was a line to the meeting room, and the door was closed.
The manager decided employees who did not contribute to the donut budget would wait before entering the meeting room to obtain free donuts, and while they waited, an assistant would be posted outside the door to distribute pamphlets outlining the reasons to contribute to the donut budget.
After begrudgingly waiting in line and indulging their sweet tooths, instead of heading back to their cubicles happy as they were the Monday morning before, the employees found their way to the manager's feedback box. In messages hastily scrawled on used napkins, they expressed their displeasure with the new donut policy.
• Some criticized the style of the pamphlet; they wanted the pamphlet to be redesigned to look less like other pamphlets they had seen.
• Some said that although they did not take issue with waiting in line for free donuts, they thought the door should stay open; the door constantly opening and closing was annoying.
• Some claimed they couldn’t afford to contribute to the donut budget, but that in recognition of their desire to contribute, they should be treated like contributors regardless.
• Some complained they had been teased by employees who contributed to the donut budget, and if the teasing did not cease, they would consult with human resources about their options.
• Some argued the workplace was a community and the new donut policy was dividing the community along strict party lines.
• Some said that nobody should have to pay for free donuts because— [Translation Note: These messages could not be translated completely from this civilization’s records. The phrase "DONUTS FOR ALL" accompanied some messages. We apologize for the inconvenience.]
• Some stated they would start looking for new jobs with another company where they would not have to wait in line for free donuts.
• Some assailed the manager as greedy for hoarding all the free donuts behind a paywall. [Translation Note: These messages may not have been correctly translated from their original language. We apologize for the inconvenience.]
• Some claimed the new donut policy spelled disaster for the company, their profession, their industry, and the entire world.
• Some laughed that everyone else was crazy because the donuts were still free.
• Others stood next to the feedback box to explain what they saw as the obvious rationale behind the manager's decision: there wouldn’t be enough free donuts for everyone if the donut budget didn’t scale with the company’s growth.
The manager was unaware the new donut policy had been so controversial; he was on vacation.
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I would also like to point out something about Premium membership:
Some percentage of Premium membership revenue is allocated for distribution to mod authors via Donation Points.
Premium membership revenue doesn't just help the Nexus as a business; it helps those of us who make the mods and tools you came here for.
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My point is that the doom and gloom fingerpointing about non-Premium members driving the site into the ground is a tad over the top
I agree. I would say that the doom-and-glooming about this change is likewise over the top. But this is the Internet and there's only so much time in the day...
Good to know that the Nexus thinks of itself as a business, and not a community.
Did all the Nexus news posts about expenses and new hires not tip you off?
How about the name of the company "Black Tree Gaming Ltd."? "Ltd." is a standard legal abbreviation for its corporate structure.
How about the front page? "We host 237,905 files for 855 games from 98,803 authors serving 18,933,350 members with 3,662,939,491 downloads to date."
That's a network of 855 communities, like the Planet Network owned by GameSpy Industries back in the day.
There is no such thing as "the community." The Nexus is a platform and has been for quite a while.
1. You should look up UI/UX stuff. Adding extra clicks is usually a bad idea.
I've never argued for extra clicks or page reloads. In fact, I've already given my feedback to the Nexus on how to address it but everyone is on holiday vacation.
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I get the impression people think only Premium keeps the site afloat. Surely the biggest revenue stream by far is still ads?
Ad-driven business models have been dead or dying since the proliferation of ad blockers. Even major media outlets are moving or have moved to subscription models.
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Perhaps the reason is not that it's been underadvertised, but that people don't think Premium gives enough value for money.
And perhaps that's because of the free ride that Free users have taken for granted all these years.
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Yes, but the way the change was implemented has directly added an extra step to an existing process.
Oh, no! One more button!? Whatever shall we do! THE SKY IS LITERALLY FALLING. :rolleyes:
And you could also argue that it is advertising, which I as a supporter have paid to not see.
You could also argue that "ad-free" applies only to third-party ads in the ad rotation.
Premium memberships have always been promoted well enough in the integrated banners
As of April 2019, only 0.7% of the Nexus' 18 million users have Premium accounts.
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The main issue I have with the new change is the fact that the feature has been purposely added to inconvenience non-premium users
The change was made to promote Premium memberships. That you find a business marketing its offerings inconvenient or annoying is a personal problem.
I will admit I have never had, and still don't have, any intention of buying a premium membership. I have never been bothered about the features it offers such as uncapped downloads or how many mods are listed on a page (the only two I actually know of) and modding for me has always been a free hobby that I don't spend money on nor do I wish to ever make any money from it.
So, continue using the free services you are being provided. They haven't stopped being free.
But there is no reason that I should have to pay for extra features that I do not want or need
Then don't.
If the site is struggling with costs, and asked for donations, then I would 100% have contributed and still would if asked
The Nexus isn't a Kickstarter campaign.
I certainly wouldn't pay because a new inconvenient step in downloading files which emphasizes the fact that I do not pay had been introduced without warning.
The Nexus doesn't owe you anything.
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Some people, for example, might only have 30 spare dollars a month after bills.
Premium is US$2.99 for a month. $30 > $2.99. When Premium expires, you'll be a Supporter for life.
But if you can't afford Premium, that's fine. Nobody's being forced to buy Premium. If you can't afford the items in a store, do you complain to the store manager that you can't afford anything? No, you just don't buy anything. Affordability is the most ridiculous argument I've seen here.
"Free" today never means free. You always pay something.
- Want free social networking? You pay with your information.
- Want free access to a media outlet? You pay with your attention.
- Want free file sharing? You pay with your time.
Free users have had a good run of the Nexus for more than a decade, but it's not sustainable. Nexus has grown significantly over the years and yet, as of April 2019, only 0.7% of the Nexus' 18 million users were paying customers. Something had to be done to course correct. Now, free users pay with their time. This is good for everyone.
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That turns this into a business and consumer relationship. However this is currently not a healthy business consumer relationship.
When only 0.7% of your 18,920,838 users are actual customers, that's not healthy for the business — or any of the users.
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I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm or not. but you missed this part of LucidLday's reply. Also should be mentioned that the data limit isn't really an issue
When am I not being sarcastic, hmm? :tongue:
I didn't miss any part of LucidLday's reply. If your solution to all these "problems" is to compound your problem set with another problem and which doesn't actually solve any of what you see as problems, it's not a good solution. Protesting with an ad blocker as a free user doesn't impact anyone except yourself. If anything, you're just reinforcing the Nexus' need to push Premium harder.
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I've turned adblock on for this site now. I'm not going to deal with all these inconveniences AND ads.
So, to add to your woes, you've chosen to cap your download speed to 1 MB/s? Sounds like a plan.
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Given that speed caps have been in place since at least 2007, and the speed cap was raised to 2 MB/s in October last year, the banners and download page appear to be doing their job. The people who paid zero attention to Nexus news are now being informed about something that didn't concern them and consequently that had no impact on them for YEARS, and now they're angry.
If you're a free user with an ad blocker, you're getting the same download speed you've been getting since 2007.
If you're a free user without an ad blocker, or a Supporter, you're getting 2 MB/s, an increase of 1 MB/s.
Nothing has really changed except you now know what you didn't know before.
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Anything you want.
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