I had loaded Oblivion, Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles, [ which my daughter loves but i don't lol ] alll at the same time, ie; one after the other, before trying to update aanything. I started again but this time only loaded Oblivion and then tried to update with the patches found here and this time the update went through, the sad part now is that I have to now go back in and load up alll the mods I had too, but that I can live with. Pirated copy??? find the nearest Oblivion gate and go back home lol Thank you for the comments ,