SameOldBard

I see. Could it be all related to incompatible records from xEdit? Anyway, below is a comparison on xEdit with the differences from the TerminalMenu created on xEdit and the one from CK... not much.

I'll try and find the differences with the old ones. Maybe it is something that can be fixed without having to redo it. Though I find it highly unlikely. But maybe I can find a clue to share with the xEdit Devs. Btw, do you think the No Sound issue might be related to a xEdit mod? I uploaded mine to Bethesda without saving them again on CK. I only packed and uploaded.

It was the Terminal Menus, of all things. I guess this information might be useful to someone.

Indeed, I was looking for the BlueprintShips to add it when loading and could not. My mod is not changing records, I do make a reference to a Kiosk and the rest are mostly scripts and a copy of a Cutter weapon. One thing out of the ordinary I had was a hidden cell where I spawn a container, but even removing it CK still crashes... I will keep on removing things here and there to try and find the culprit.

I am trying to release one of my mods on Bethesda, but whenever I try and open it in the Creation Kit, it crashes on me. Any idea what might be happening? My other mods work just fine in there and I made sure to check for errors on xEdit before trying. This is the offender mod: Bard's Outpost Crew Command https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/10122 Thanks, OldBard

So: 1. The current packages are the right ones on the moments I sampled, which was when they were told to move, thus toogling the condition needed to activate the package. 2. The condition runner always returned false when checking against GetWithinPackageLocation 3. I always call the EvaluatePackage 4. I did the call to SetPlayerTeammate and he would not follow commands, or follow me. In truth, my companions will not follow the player when this issue triggers. And an important piece of information, I have 2 types of bots in there... the ones bugging and the others which simply patrol, but also using a TravelTo package. I tried yesterday switching the packages in the RefColAliases and it made no difference. Still the patrol guys do not get stuck. And as mentioned, the companions also get stuck. So I am certainly doing some noobish thing, because if I don't instal and deploy my mod, it works properly. NoobBard

OK, so here's the new information I could gather so far about this. If I create new actors in an outpost but do not assign them to a RefCollectionAlias, they will sandbox normally. If I do add them, thus assigning possible packages, and I save and do a cold load, they become non responsive. Event if I remove them from the RefColAlias they will not sandbox anymore. It seems that something I am doing is making them become stuck. So here is what my script does: 1. It creates an XMarker ref and Links it to the Actor with a keyword that is used by the 3 packages I have 2. I move the marker to a given location and set the conditional needed to enable the package to true 3. Once the actor is close enough to the marker, I get a callback and either play an idle animation, or, change the condition so it changes the active package to an attack package. 4. After a given time expires, it goes back to step 2. It works without issues for hours if I just let it run without loading. If I save and load, without closing the game, they resume the loop properly. If I do the cold boot, they are stuck until I fast travel away and back. That's basically what it does.

I'm only getting 1s out of it. One thing though. If I create a new actor, they just stand there doing nothing. Just like my controlled test bots. So it seems that indeed it is a bug from when the game is loaded. They won't sandbox.

It did not. They just teleported a bit closer to the target.

The navmesh issue seems like a good reason for the issue I am having. Also, waiting is not helping they regain their movement. I will try calling the MoveToPackageLocation on game load to see if it helps. Once again, thanks for all the help LarannKiar.

I am using a RefCollectionAlias to set the actors / control their AIs. Those specifically were spawned just for the test. So I will check with normal specialists and non constelation followers to check if there is any change to them. For the LinkedRef of the marker used for the AI Package, I am setting abPRomoteParentRefr to true. Should I test it as false just in case? Their tags before and after loading the save game is [PP]. I will test with the non constelation companions as I mentioned in the meantime. And thank you very much for helping here SKK.

Any suggestions?

I thought this was going to point me in the direction of an amount of AI limit, but I was wrong. I tried it on a empty moon and had the same issue althought there were no other actors in there but the one I was setting up to travel. So, no idea what's going on yet.

I found some clues. The wild life in the area are also not moving, and, if shot, are not fighting back. Wildlife further away does not seem to be affected. Could it be something related to the path in the terrain? It is in an outpost in the middle of nowhere. I am not sure if there is any path / navmesh set on those areas.

I am working on a mod which involves using AI Packages (TravelToLinkedRef) and I am having issues when I load a game after closing the game. It work properly if I do a QuickSave and QuickLoad in the same play session. It also works properly if I move away (cells unloaded) and return to the same place (cell loaded). But in the situation where I saved, closed the game and loaded, the NPC is stuck. It won't move. I tried a few things and it did not fix it. But, after seeing it stuck, if I fast travel and return, it resumes working again. How it is setup: Travel Package template with TravelToLinkedRef package group. Location type, set to Near linked reference which has a custom keyword that I set to an instantiated XMarker that I control. Has a condition to activate. Solutions I tried: Disabling and re-enabling the AI for the actor Disabling and re-enabling the Marker Disabling and re-enabling the Actor Moving up the actor Destroying and recreating the Marker and setting again the linkedRef Disabling the package by changing the ActorValue used in the condition I am sure there were other things I tried and I don't remember. I've been having this issue for some time. Has anyone ever faced a similar situation? Any tips on how to fix it? Thanks, OldBard

I am guessing we will be able to stop releasing the mods as ESMs and start with ESPs and ESLs now that the CK can bake those? OldBard

Thanks LarannKiar. That did indeed help with detecting it. But yes, it wouldn't avoid an error, but it let's me manage it. Though this mod is giving me so much trouble that I'm tempted to give it some time before finishing it. It feels like I've been almost finishing it for a month (sure, I only have an hour or two per day to work on it, but still). Anyway. Thank you for providing a way to handle the situation. I do have another question, with the current problem I have, but it is not related to the topic. I guess I should create a new topic instead. Thanks again, OldBard

Hey ppl, In the Mod I am currently working on, I may, from time to time stumble upon an ObjectReference which has lost it's reference, thus giving the "no native object bound to the script object, or object is of incorrect type" if I try to manipulate it. The issue is that it cannot be just checked against with a comparison to NONE, checking if IsBoundGameObjectAvailable also does not detect the issue. Other method calls would trigger the error. Checking if 3d is loaded, or waiting for 3d to load also triggers the error. It usually shows up as a <nullptr form>. In C# I would use a Try/Catch to handle this properly. But I can't in here. Is there some method that I am missing? Maybe some trick I can do to detect it without triggering the issue? Thanks, OldBard.

Hi, I am looking into trying to improve a bit how long my mod takes to process some data it requires. Question is, what is the best method without using threads? Is it better to do it linearly, or to start timer and split the work into the OnTimer event calls? I don't want it to be too intrusive and affect other mods which also need to do something in background. My mod only does it once, but it is quite important. Thanks, OldBard.

Indeed I saw that happening every now and them. My concern though is about reliability as I need those for setting up solo level positions. I guess I can check the Z after enabling. If it is about the same as the high one I set before enabling then I would know that it was not automatically placed at ground level.

I just found something quite odd happening when using a similar solution in another mod I am working on. I tried dropping the bots and although I was dropping 16 of them at once, only 1 of them was dying. The others were not. For some reason. Some further investigation (tracing + searching for them) showed me that they were actually being spawned right at a safe place in the ground at the right position I wanted them to. Some more tests and I had was something like this: float xPos = _workshop.GetPositionX() float yPos = _workshop.GetPositionY() float zPos = _workshop.GetPositionZ() float buildRadius = _workshop.GetValue(OutpostBuildAreaRadius) float newX = xPos + (buildRadius * Math.cos(angle)) float newY = yPos + (buildRadius * Math.sin(angle)) float newZ = zPos + buildRadius * 2 Actor spawnMarker = _workshop.PlaceActorAtMe(MarkerRef as ActorBase, 0, NONE, true, true, false, NONE, false) spawnMarker.SetValue(Game.GetHealthAV(), 1) spawnMarker.SetPosition(newX, newY, newZ) Trace("Placing Marker at: " + spawnMarker.GetPositionX() + ", " + spawnMarker.GetPositionY() + ", " + spawnMarker.GetPositionZ() + ". Initial Z: " + zPos + ", new Z: " + newZ) spawnMarker.Enable(false) spawnMarker.WaitFor3DLoad() Trace("Placing Marker at: " + spawnMarker.GetPositionX() + ", " + spawnMarker.GetPositionY() + ", " + spawnMarker.GetPositionZ() + ". Initial Z: " + zPos + ", new Z: " + newZ) With the output being... Before enabling: Placing Marker at: 504.698944, -284.563171, 305.337381. Initial Z: 5.337381, new Z: 305.337372 After enabling: Placing Marker at: 504.698944, -284.563171, 2.863391. Initial Z: 5.337381, new Z: 305.337372 I ran it again and again and it seems consistent. It is as if when the actors are enabled they are auto moved to the ground safely. Does anyone know if that is reliable? Has anyone had similar results? OldBard.

Your Get Detailed Reference Info helped me a lot on the couple of mods I am working at right now. Thanks for that one btw! Another downside of using magic effects is that the TimerGameTime does not work there. But it is not an issue for my current needs. True, those methods are quite handy. It is indeed an improvement. And thanks for the help here LarannKiar. OldBard

Thanks for replying LarannKiar, This is for a mod for Starfield that I am currently working at. I asked it here since there's a higher chance of getting some help than in there and solutions to both games are a bit similar. I need individual controllers per Actor as I will having them using specific Packages and I want them to control their own states. If I do that from the collection script I will have to do plenty of workarounds to deal with different actors situations. Not to mention that it would be difficult to make the decision making not be serialized as I go through the collection members. I knew about Fallrim but never used it. I will keep the test you mention in mind for the future. I decided to follow the Spell/Magic effect path to having the individual controllers and it is working quite nicely at the moment. I will make sure to post snippets of the solution (which is actually from a Skyrim guide) after I have things properly done and tested. Cheers, OldBard

I think I found 2 possible solutions to this: 1. To use the AttachPapyrusScript method. Which seems intrusive and dangerous to me. Save game wise, am I correct? 2.To use a Magic Effect. Is there a third more straightforward way of doing it? OldBard.

Hello, Is there a way to have a custom script per item in a RefCollectionAlias? I know I can have one for the collection itself and that it gets events from its members, but I would like to set a Script for the items themselves, so they can control themselves. That is, while using objects already spawned. I don't want to create my own objects. Example: I have a RefCollectionAlias called Weapons which has a WeaponsRefCollectionScript. And then a script called WeaponSomethingScript which extends ObjectReference. So far I found no way of doing it. Thanks, OldBard