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Extremely talented, generous, kind, and helpful... disgusting, really. FadingSignal sets a terrible example for others. ;)
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Well, at least Bethesda didn't just spring this on people..... it's not like they didn't give plenty of notice that this change was coming. ;)
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I've always used DXT1 for single layer diffuse textures, and DXT5 for dual layer diffuse textures and normal maps. I don't use uncompressed textures in my mods, so that shouldn't be an issue. I do, however, occasionally use DXT1A with the 1-bit alpha layer to reduce file size. Do you know if that compression would cause a problem for SSE?All uncompessed 16bpp formats (5:6:5, 4:4:4:4, etc) are not supported by DirectX 11.0 used by Windows 7 and crash the game. You can drop NifScan into the folder with textures and it will report them if found.
Use DTX5 if you unsure. The best approach is to use the new DX11 formats like BC7, but Beth itself doesn't use it for some reason, however they do work in SSE.
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All normal maps need specular (including landscape textures), since the updated engine make use of the alpha channel now. The texture format seems to be the same (it's not the BC3 or BC5 compression, that's for sure).
I don't have any landscape retexture mods, so that shouldn't be an issue (lacking spectral layers). My understanding was that Skyrim SE was DirectX11, therefore people would experience occasional crashes with textures that weren't formatted for DirectX11. It would be good to now precisely what texture compression that Bethesda used for SSE textures. They really should've let mod authors know these things when they're promoting mods themselves.
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I've been getting a lot of requests to port my Skyrim mods to SSE, but I'm unsure of which of the new compression formats are used. Many people say my original textures have worked fine for them in SSE, but I hear of certain people having an issue. It seems that normal maps are more likely to have a problem than diffuse textures.
My question is what compression is Bethesda using for they normal maps in SSE? They look identical to the originals, both in appearance and file size, so I was unsure what compression format they used. It's not the new BC5 compression, because that uses on the red and green channels, and lacks a spectral layer. It's the only compression I see listed explicitly as being for normal maps. Would the BC3 compression work for normal maps as well as diffuse textures?
Obviously, I'm a bit unsure about these new formats. Any help would be appreciated. ;)
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The whole site is going downhill...... I'm not even getting the background image loading now. WTF is going on around here? Seriously, why is there no post in the news section addressing this problem. How long does something have to go on before we get some feedback?
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In response to post #41281885.We should not, in any shape or form, support a feature that will lead to less informed mod users. I too, am befuddled by this new "feature" to bypass the description pages that hold vital information for would be downloaders.Hoamaii wrote: It's all really great and good looking for me too EXCEPT for the direct download link placed into the mod browsing section. From a user point of view I can understand how this may seem appealing, but from a mod creator point of view it can only lead to more errors and complaints from users - as it truly looks like a direct invitation to completely ignore mod authors' descriptions, instructions or warnings.
As long as there'll be users able to download modders resources or utility programs and later complain that "it don't work!...", I'm not sure it's in our best interest to encourage blind download at all.
Perhaps a good middle ground would be to make that feature optional and let mod authors decide if they want to offer that direct download option or not, depending on the type of mods they upload. It may be a perfectly acceptable option for retex or armor replacements, but for more complex mods (think of Frostfall or OSA and thousands of others), it'd be an open door to a lot of resentment from both authors and mod users, I'm afraid.
It's already bad enough with the amount of people who simply neglect reading the descriptions and go straight to posting questions..... this is not behavior we want to encourage.
The other changes I can live with, but this is something that needs to be nipped in the bud. -
I understand that mod authors don't want their stuff stolen.... believe me, it's happened to me plenty with outside entities. Nexus can't protect us any better than Bethesda quite frankly. If people think their work is safe here, then they're fooling themselves. Yes, Bethesda.net needs to do a better job of policing their available mods, but this is all new for them, and they will learn.
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Hello all,
Anyone else see this rumor from Shinobi602 about a remaster of Skyrim for the current gen consoles?
There was mention that it would include the ability to add mods, as Fallout 4 has just done. It may seem unnecessary to PC gamers, but I can see how it would appeal to Bethesda as a way to extend the lifespan of their major titles between new launches. I'm sure that if I only had the PS3 version of Skyrim, that I wouldn't still have interest in the game.
There are many PC gamers still playing Skyrim, but I wonder how manny console gamers still play the game.... not many, I suspect. The console people would never get all the graphical mods that PC gamers have, but their are so many great gameplay changing mods, and smaller additions that they could use. Bethesda would just need a way for mod authors to port their stuff for the new remaster. Any way, I kinda hope this particular rumor is true, because the more people get to experience the kind of fun that a modded Skyrim experience can be, the better.
Cheers,
Gamwich
Edit: Oops, I missed the fact that this info was already posted........ sorry about that. ;)
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While I don't particularly care about the actual number of endorsements a mod receives, the ratio of endorsements to downloads is useful for telling me how people received a particular mod. Therefore, having an accurate count of the unique downloads is useful. I'm glad that you found a way to correct that calculation.
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In response to post #29703180. #29703420, #29703790, #29704160, #29708335 are all replies on the same post.Lets have a moment of silence for the poor trees who sacrificed their lives for this endeavor. ;)Dark0ne wrote: And Paul wasn't joking about reading all the surveys. He even printed them all out, highlighted relevant parts, and left the dossier at my house: http://imgur.com/a/EXYIjElianora wrote: Dedication :thumbsup:sonogu wrote: Is there a non imgur version?
I just can't open up anything from imgur :)Dark0ne wrote: I'll give you the text version. It's a picture of the dossier with the highlighted text shown, along with the thickness of it. Not sure how much paper was used, but it was quite a lot.Eiries wrote: jesus tapdancing christ. -
In response to post #27528939. #27529259, #27530094, #27530239, #27530274, #27542284, #27544149 are all replies on the same post.Look at the bright side... you have a lot fewer mods to cull through to find something of interest. ;)Gamwich wrote: Only 8.593%?...... that means I've already "met" most of the women on Nexus. That's a bit depressing.
I guess that explains the proliferation of skimpy armor mods then. ;)Ondrea wrote: I was shocked to see that as well. I really thought that percentage was much higher. And even fewer still in my age group. Yep that's why so few armors for me lol.Gamwich wrote: More tastefully sexy armors?..... someone should get on that. ;)numeriku wrote: Indeed x(RavingRiley wrote: Hey, women like sexy armor too!Heaventhere wrote: I second that :)akparkison wrote: 8.593%.
One look at the front page demonstrates that. I get so tired of the same half-naked women and skimpy armor. Which is why I blocked adult content. It shows up in some, um...odd places. ;)
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In response to post #27530099.Yes, the Steam prize entry was optional..... I personally didn't enter (and I'm sure others also didn't care about winning anything).Roguespear wrote: The Steam coupon almost made me skip this survey, I have a Steam account for one reason and one reason only, it was required by Skyrim. Since then Steam has become more and more user unfriendly and after 15 e-mails with support question that went unanswered, Steam for me has fallen into the FOBAR category for me. As for Nexus, it is the shinning star of game sites in my opinion.
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In response to post #27529529.If you separated the mod authors from just the mod users, I'd expect you'd see a different age demographic. Just a guess. ;)RoyBatterian wrote: Only 16% over 35, while not exactly low, I thought there were more older people around here. Perhaps they just don't wish take surveys.
I too expected there was more women, again perhaps they just don't wish to take surveys.
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In response to post #27528939. #27529259 is also a reply to the same post.More tastefully sexy armors?..... someone should get on that. ;)Gamwich wrote: Only 8.593%?...... that means I've already "met" most of the women on Nexus. That's a bit depressing.
I guess that explains the proliferation of skimpy armor mods then. ;)Ondrea wrote: I was shocked to see that as well. I really thought that percentage was much higher. And even fewer still in my age group. Yep that's why so few armors for me lol. -
Only 8.593%?...... that means I've already "met" most of the women on Nexus. That's a bit depressing.
I guess that explains the proliferation of skimpy armor mods then. ;)
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I think Robyn Hitchcock said it best......
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In response to post #24748294. #24748909, #24748959, #24749014, #24749054, #24749074, #24749089, #24749114, #24749169, #24749269, #24749289, #24749409, #24749439, #24749529, #24749564, #24749574, #24749674, #24749709, #24749814, #24749884, #24749889, #24749954, #24750114, #24750204, #24750249, #24750254, #24750279, #24750544, #24750564, #24750709, #24750814, #24750904, #24751449, #24751489, #24751899, #24751974, #24752079, #24752334, #24752454, #24753799, #24754219, #24754259, #24754609, #24754739, #24754979, #24755419, #24755704, #24755774, #24755999, #24756039, #24756394, #24756489, #24756599, #24756669, #24756944, #24757404, #24757709, #24757794, #24757819, #24757959, #24758109, #24758244, #24758549, #24758604, #24758779, #24758789 are all replies on the same post.Actually, 10% is considered a very high percentage on Nexus. That's something that I've learned over my time here.mannygt wrote:user134 wrote: Or maybe those people missed/forgot to hit the button/don't think it matters.Stevensonzilla wrote: That's a fair point.
From my side, I can tell you that I have downloaded a lot of mods that I simply haven't gotten around to trying out yet. Gray Cowl, for instance, is sitting around on my drive waiting for my next playthrough. If that gives the impression that I'm unappreciative, it really is unintentional.
I do, however, have to admit that I'm guilty. There are mods that I have used and enjoyed and just never gotten around to endorsing or commenting on. I have no excuse other than laziness.Timarot wrote: While I entirely agree that there should be more endorcements - unique downloads does not traslate into "people who love mod". Its more like "amoumt of unique ip-pc combination to which mod was downloaded"mcguffin wrote: Exactly.
Mod users act actually, for a vast majority, like a *consumer*, but without paying the price. Some of them also are angry when updates take time, or when they have issues.
I have seen few people saying that they have 200 mods installed, and because of that they could not afford to pay them.
but when you look at their profile, you see very little amount of comments or endorsements.
Most of people only leech content without caring of anything.Seren4XX wrote: Those numbers alone are an accomplishment and ode to the modders who put out those mods. Endorsing is forgotten easily for a number of reasons that don't have anything to do with being grateful or not.Ottemis wrote: It's a fact there are parts of this and any modding community in it's users that have zero real concept of the amount of work that goes into modding and think rather loosely or little at all on the matter, even taking an entitled stance rather than an appreciative one.
While it's 'normal' to forget to endorse or comment on mods you've truly enjoyed, and easy to think modders do it for themselves and out of their own volition that does not negate that modders do thrive on positive feedback from the community and more appreciation and healthy views on what modding entails certainly wouldn't hurt the modding community as a whole.zzjay wrote: many dont even know what an endosement is..theyre not into the community,and just like to download mods for their gameshinji72 wrote: That's a good point. And before the introductions of the pop ups on Nexus (pointing you to the unendorsed mods) the percentage were far far lower.Kioma wrote: Extremely good point, mannygt. Kudos.
I'll admit that I'm guilty of this. I have a tendency to download a mod, forget it's there, get surprised when I load the game and find that I did in fact install it, and then play the game for several hours solid and simply forget to go back to the mod page and endorse it. Not an excuse, just a fact, but one I'm intending to correct. As I type this I'm gearing up to endorse every single mod I currently run and I encourage anyone in my boat (ie. the forgetful boat) to do the same.
Don't forget to endorse the everloving s#*! out of the mods you love. People need encouragement. Someone can do stellar work and still get disheartened because even though fifty people posted 'nice mod, gj' on their page, only a fraction of those people bothered to endorse.mannygt wrote: Please, don't get me wrong, I don't want to force your mouse to point on "endorse" button. I'm explaining how the percentage works in the Nexus. As I said before, I appreciated the users who decided to "follow" me and I always given answers to their questions because this is the real spirit of community (IMHO). Modders and Users working together to improve and make better mods.
I know that the laziness percentage for saying "thank you" or clicking the endorsement button may exist, and also it exists the percentage of who didn't liked the mod, but I cannot believe that mostly of the mods in the Nexus it only have 5%-10% of users attention.mannygt wrote: @user134. This is from your profile:
Joined: 15 September 2013 Last active: 12:28, 28 Apr 2015
Posts: 8 Topics: 0 Files tagged: 0 File images: 0 Endorsements given: 0samo101 wrote: It's not really a case of being grateful as much as it is of participation. People who don't participate in this community probably don't endorse mods.
Furthermore, it makes no difference in the long run. If 10% of users endorse mods they like then you still end up with the most popular mods being endorsed the most, the numbers are just lower.PROMETHEUS_ts wrote: Well I agree on that , the actual system doesn't even discriminate between good and well made mods and just "popularity" ones .
Some crap mods do make up to hot file and stay there a whole week hoarding endorsements just because of popularity or because they made a laught on some . But Other well tought , planned, finely craftet that took months to do are left in the voidness of unpopularity .
some gems are really hidden deep into the vaults of Nexus and are not even known of .
Even the same search categorizes the mods mostly by endorsements wich increase the popularity of the popular ones , rather than have a better fair system of classification of mods according to the work done for making them .mljh11 wrote: Why is an endorsement important? I'm not trolling - I really want to know.
I only just bought Skyrim Legendary Edition last year, and only got into trying mods this year. Therefore I'm very new to the culture here at the Nexus.
Other mod sites don't even have an endorsement button; they may have a 10 point rating system or something. Is such a system better or worse than Nexus' endorsement system?bangunagung wrote: Well, even Gopher forgot to endorse sometimes.bangunagung wrote: @ mljh11
That's just a way of saying "thanks for the mod, I like it". The mod author doesn't get anything from it. It just helps spreading the word whether the mod is good or not and encourage more people to try it.
It's not an entirely different system from rating, just a little bit more general.ramccoid wrote: Don't forget the protest mod, 3,233 unique downloads to 1,438 endorsements which is the only mod ever to reach nearly 50% ratio.
People didn't feel lazy or forgetful about that one. It shows the hypocrisy clearly, make the effort when it suits.Sigurd44 wrote: I forgot to endorse a lot of mods in my first year here on Nexus. I was just to involved in learning how to install mods correctly at all, learning Skyrim folder and file structures etc. Over time I got used to do it. I guess in the meanwhile almost every mod I once used or still use has an endorsement.
That's just my experience, I still can't explain why so many mods with extremely high download rates have so less endorsements.mkess wrote: No, I think this action from valve this weekend was a wakeup call for many users. Let's wait and see.mljh11 wrote: @bangunagung:
Thanks for your reply.
So would I be right to say that you think the endorse button is basically a "thanks" button? If so, I would generally agree with you on this. Which brings me to my next question...
Do mod makers make mods because they want to be thanked?riverreveal wrote: I think a lot of people, Im including myself here, take the modding community for granted to an extent. Oblivion was the first game I started getting mods for, Skyrim was the first game where I spent a good proportion of my time playing around with the mods.
If there is already a community in place with 1000s of members, 1000s of endorsements, millions of downloads then some people think they arent needed. A lot of people have come out of the woodwork in the last few days (again myself included) and I can totally understand a mod author saying, why are you speaking up now about us not getting money now, but not even thanking us when you were grabbing our free mods. I get that.
I have never in my head taken a mod author for granted, but I do realise that my actions over the last few years has been exactly that. If one good thing does come out of all this then I hope a lot more people are going to recognise the same thing and be a bit more proactive towards endorsements and donations.
I really hope Beth and Valve find a way to get you guys rewarded that benefits the community as well. The system they used sucked, but there was a pro there as well.user134 wrote: @mannygt: Yeah, those are statistics on my profile. What is your point? =/mljh11 wrote: The thing is - mod makers (typically) make mods because
1) they themselves love the game, and
2) they love the idea of sharing cool stuff they make for the game with other people.
I say this as an ex-modder myself (for other games, not Skyrim). The sites I uploaded my mods to didn't have an endorse / thanks button at all - and guess what? I never got bothered thinking about whether people were thankful for my mods.
At all.
Seriously.
If you're a modder who DOES MODDING BECAUSE YOU LOVE THE GAME, just carry on. Who cares about a number that says how many people endorse or thank you for your mod? It's just that - a stupid number. Please don't get upset because of this number or the lack of it; there are waaaaay more worthwhile things in life that you could get upset over.jet4571 wrote: Heya Mannygt I think I have endorsed one of your mods or you one of mine.. both... Or just recognize your name. Anyway this one gets me....
"but the most of the users just download the mod without saying any f***ing word. "
A simple "Thanks for uploading" is worth a $5. A "Thanks." is worth $2.50. A "Thanks." with a paragraph describing what you liked is priceless. I just uploaded an Oblivion mod 2 days ago and not one comment and that depresses me. I feel as though the mod isn't quite bad enough to get hate and not good enough for a thanks. I want to know if you are happy with it just like any other modder. If a part of it doesn't get you then please tell me in a constructive way.
I am sure many other modder will agree to that.jaffa5 wrote: I don't agree that just because people ether choose not to or forget to endorse a mod that they have downloaded automaticly makes them ungreatful. There are a number of reasons why some one might not endorse a mod or even comment thank you.
Personally I have only given 66 endorsments on this site since i joined in 2011 but i am not ungreatful. In fact I am massively greatful to the people who spend countless hours creating mods for me to enjoy. The truth is i often forget to endorse mods unless they have really really impressed me. in those cases i will not only endorse i will vote for file of the month and possibley leave a comment.
I think it's nieve to just generalise that every one who downloads and dosn't endose or comment is inherantly ungreatful.Amyr wrote: Endorsement system should be gone anyway. It's completely useless.
What would you gain if Falskaar had 250K Endorsements instead of 60K? Nothing. It's just a number.
What we actually need is a review system. You can have 200 reviews and it seems like a really really small number compared to 60K Endorsement, but wouldn't it be better to have 98% approved rating with those reviews? Rather than having 200K mindless clicks because Nexus keeps forcing you to?jet4571 wrote: Ok how about rude? if ungrateful is too insulting that shouldn't be because that's kinda what you are saying. If you download so many mods in a download session that you cannot remember where they came from then you are lucky your game still works.
Also an endorsement is a thank you. If you enjoy a mod then hit the button. The endorsement does not do anything but tell the author thanks. There is no secret files of the month or anything. Endorsements are not in limited supply so you can endorse every mod you downloaded that you liked.
AN Endorsement is NOT a measurement in quality. Do not think of them as that because they are a simple thank you .Amelli wrote: I don't think it's fair to call the users ungrateful just because they haven't hit the endorse button. That's very petty imo.
I for one know I haven't endorsed nearly as many mods as I should have, why? Several reasons
1. The main one being I have a life that is very busy and doesn't 100% revolve around Skyrim.
2. When I do come back to Skyrim in my very limited free time, I'm a mod hoarder, and spend more time messing around in MO trying to settle on a mod list I'm happy to play with and testing all those mods out in game, whilst figuring out why my game CTDs, which mod did it or which mods don't pal up together nicely, then I actually spend time playing the game.
3. To endorse I have to have downloaded a mod. To endorse I have to have spent time testing that mod. As endorsing certifies I've tested and I am happy with that mod. That's it's something special. Some mods take longer to test then others.
4. My mind isn't what it used to be and I can easily forget after all those other points that I need to return to the nexus and endorse my mods without getting distracted by yet another uber awesome mod on the nexus front page. That advertising doing its job right after all right?
5. After a few months I find my way out of the mire and realise I haven't endorsed still. So when I see an update for a mod I love and realise I haven't endorsed, I kick myself and hit the endorse button.
Should I feel I'm ungrateful for not endorsing? NO. Should feel upset at MannyG's words? YES.
I'm not able to speak for all users. But I'm sure there are many like me who would feel very pissed off at being called ungrateful.
And yes I can understand that there may be some out there who just download and don't give a toss, but I can bet you that the majority of us do give a toss, we just have very busy lives, and we sometimes don't realise what the nagging thing we need to do at the back of our minds is trying to tell us....umm what is that thing I had to do?....Oh yes, frickin endorse. It's not that I'm ungrateful. It's just that when I endorse, it's in between the few moments of free time I have to actually relax and have some me time. What would I rather be doing with that time?
If a modder doesn't feel they are being shown enough respect or endorsements all they have to do is hide their mod. That's their choice that they are entitled to. But users aren't forced to say boo to anything, just like modders aren't forced to Mod.Sakorona wrote: Yes, how DARE YOU demand at least acknowledgement of your work! [/sarcasm]
Seriously. Go endorse. Donate, if you feel inclined to. It's a few second action and creates a sense of community.Angm4r wrote: I have to try a mod before i endorse it, i will come back then and endorse it if i think it is worth if i really like it i will even donate for it.Amelli wrote: @Sakorona
Well at least this week I have the time to catch up on nexus mods. I'm stuck at home cos my darling three yo gave me conjunctivitis, I have a full blown cold, and I'm most likely going to be made redundant in the next week, so my stress levels are a tad high right now. Then all this just when I was waiting for all the great new updated mods like Frostfall 3.0 to come out to cheer me up. Ah well.
I'd donate if I could, but looks like I won't be able to spare any change to do so.
@Dark0ne
Might be good to have some site tutorials (forgive me if there are already) on the features on nexus, where to find them and what they mean, and highlight that in the news every month to remind old and new users alike. As it seems a lot of users don't know how to use or where a lot of features of the nexus are.mannygt wrote: @Amelli: I don't think you're on the 90%-95% side of the users that simply grabs a mod and vanishes. Your profile is clear: you give endorsements for mods you liked. I know that you have some mods to endorse but doesn't makes you a "ungrateful". I'm not ungrateful as you said, because if I WAS ungrateful then I would started to sell the mods betraying all my followers. On the contrary, I'm grateful to them, instead. My Gray Cowl of Nocturnal is ready for v1.1, this thanks to who participated on reporting to me bugs and ideas. Same thing for my other mods. Again, I'm not forcing people to click the endorse button at any cost, I'm just talking about the percentage that seems similar on all the great mods.jad31te wrote: Mannygt,
I have been here just a short time.. you are one of the very best most helpful modders I have dealt with on the nexus, you have always been more then helpful anytime I have had a question, But I can not say this for all. I have asked genuine questions to others only to be snubbed, I have left over 297 endorsements and about 70 comments.. until this Issue I have never posted on the forum so I know all of my comments were feedback related.
Just last week I had downloaded a mod I was having issues with, the author of said mod was on the forum answering question, but he just snubbed me over, would not help me and I really was genuinely stuck.. I do read everything about a mod before I install. luckily for me I was able to figure it out alone, but my point is not everyone is like you.. not everyone is helpful and some are downright rude!
I also have another questions about endorsements, I downloaded a very cute and unique mod that was put up recently, the author had received many positive comments and 12 endorsements by the time I had seen the mod. I downloaded it and ran the course of getting it situated in my mod list.. start the game and searched over an hour trying to locate the boat, BUT i could find no boat, I spent another hour reorganizing my modlist trying to make it work because after all.. 12 other people had made it work.. it must have been on my end and I was afraid yet again to ask the author a stupid question.
Finally out of frustration, I did approach him or her.. and you know what? they had made a small mistake, being new and never loading a mod here before, they had accisently loaded the wrong file, I was very happy to have assisted him in getting it all right. and now I have my boat :) but my point is that it had 12 endorsements from people who had not even bothered to load the mod.
I just wonder with how this current system is implemented, how long it even could have took him to realize the error :s
anyways, thank you so much for always being helpful.. but not all are like youuser134 wrote: @mannygt: "Again, I'm not forcing people to click the endorse button at any cost, I'm just talking about the percentage that seems similar on all the great mods."
People mindlessly hammer away at the "like" button on Facebook all day. Like all statistics, endorsements should be taken with a grain of salt.SiniVII wrote: Numbers, numbers, numbers... Where 5 to 10 percent is factual information, and the remaining is plain speculation. It's very easy to say "Well those who don't fall within these statistics obviously think X, Y, and Z", but you really don't have any evidence of that, it's just pure speculation and finger-pointing without any real basis for it.
It's ridiculous, just because someone falls within the endorsement statistic, doesn't mean the other side of it are automatically ungrateful mod-hogging bastards.
If anything you should use your download counter as an indicator for your mods popularity, rather than obsess over endorsement for your work, when comments and the download-counter is already enough of an indicator.
For a long time I didn't endorse mods simply because I have the attention-span of a goldfish, that does in no way mean I am an ungrateful bastard who doesn't appreciate the modding community.
If I do happen to revisit any of the mods I downloaded previously by chance, I will endorse nowadays.Amelli wrote: Manny, don't get me wrong I love you as a modder. You've made spectacular mods.
It's the way you worded your post......but the Nexus seems to be a lair of ungrateful people.
That makes you sound like your sounding out the community as being wholly ungrateful. And that's what upsets me.
Perhaps rather then nitpick, we need to put our heads together and come up with some suggestions to Dark0ne to make nexus even easier to use and make some 'idiots guides' to everything nexus and have these very obvious on the main pages of nexus. That way the community is reminded of the great assets the nexus provides. The modders being one of those.
Only by working together can we make this community thrive again and heal these festering wounds.mannygt wrote: @SiniVII: 1 person every 10 or 20 endorsed SkyUI or Falskaar. What do you mean for "someone"?
@Amelli: Statistics are clear. I'm sorry if you're upset but, again, I have no doubt that you support modders.MacAban wrote: This raises two interesting points for me.
First, if endorsements are important for the modder, education needs to be done on that point. I don't know how to make it better than it's already is, honestly, since most mods have a reminder in the style "if you like it endorse it", but apparently this isn't enough to raise awareness. Maybe posting threads on the forums and sites where the community of players lurk, like Steam forums? A lot of players come to the Nexus only to download the mod, and speak about it somewhere else if they like it. As for posting in a mod thread, I always considered it was for bugs and feedback, not to thank the modder. I realize now it means that most modders whose work I've liked don't even know it except from that tiny endorsement and sometimes a vote for FOTM, but honestly I thought it was how it was supposed to work. I don't frequent the Nexus forums, maybe I should make an account there and post in the thread of every mod I like? OR should I start using the mod thread itself to give thanks?
Second, I looked at my profile by curiosity after reading your post, and I saw only 11 or 12 endorsements in there. What? I know, for a fact, with absolute certainty, that I have endorsed a lot of them through the NMM at one point or another. I know, for a fact, that most of the 150 mods I used with regularity had that little yellow star in NMM. My profile said I didn't endorse Frostfall, which is one of my favorite mods ever and I've used since I've started to play Skyrim: there's absolutely no way it's true, if I had endorsed only one mod in all my years it would have been this one. Yet I saw my endorsements for other mods, but not this one. Doesn't an endorsement in NMM translate in an endorsement here, or doesn't just it show on my profile? I don't care how my profile looks, honestly, but I'd like to think the mods did get the endorsement.mcguffin wrote: this is kind of priceless.
Yesterday we have people who didnt want to give money for mod.
Today we have people who dont even want to click an endorsement button to say yes.
Consumers at their greatest posture.SiniVII wrote: @mannygt
Are you saying those 10 and 20 who didn't endorse are simply mod-hoggers and ungrateful bastards? And you're relying on your own statistic to push this blanket-statement? I'm sorry but you've got nothing. Word of mouth, It's rather powerful. One of those 10 people might've spread the word about the mod which made the number increase to every 20 person instead of 10, and thanks to word of mouth they may have attracted another endorser which made your oh-so precious counter to rise ever so slightly.
Obsessing over the endorsement counter is the most asinine way I've seen to determine whether or not your mod is popular, because IF there is anything your statistics have shown us is that the endorsement counter is simply not an accurate measurement of people's enjoyment of a mod.
Download counts and comments is what you should use as your indicator of popularity, you check the statistic of how many times they've been downloaded vs the feedback you receive in the comments, that gives you a measurement of a mods popularity, NOT through a counter people tend to click as a courtesy as if you were tipping a waiter at a restaurant.mannygt wrote: I answered you in the other post.mcguffin wrote: @SiniVII: you are wrong. popularity is not the point.
People actually showing you they care is the point.
It's perfectly possible to have a mod with a very low popularity but a strong little community around it.
If nobody care, you do the stuff for yourself, then you let go.mannygt wrote:this is kind of priceless.
Yesterday we have people who didnt want to give money for mod.
Today we have people who dont even want to click an endorsement button to say yes.
Consumers at their greatest posture.
Priceless.SiniVII wrote: @mcguffin
You can't expect every single individual to shower you with praise, that's simply not how it is. People will download and move on all the time, sometimes they'll be forced to make an account but that's the extent they'll go to because at the end of the day they want to play their vidya-games.
Eventually modders will have a place where they can host their mods and put them behind a pay-wall where they can actually get fair rates compared to steamthesda hogging 75% of the revenue, no doubt about that, hopefully there'll be quality-checks in place as well by that time as well...
However, till then expecting to be showered with praise from every single downloader is unrealistic, and nothing short of delving into the deepest darkest corners of delusion.
Of course, if you wanted that to happen, NEXUS could always make commenting and endorsing MANDATORY for downloads. That'd make people more popular I'm sure, where you'd get half-assed annoyed comments about Nexus system, rather than people who shower you with praise because they actually want to, and think you honestly deserve it.
You don't want praise from everyone, and that will never happen anyway.mcguffin wrote: @SiniVII: I don't ask for mandatory at all.
But the 10% stat is quite bad, to say to least, and doesn't send a very good signal.Altamhyr wrote: I'd like to say a little thing. I'm french, i can read english easyly. I have Many friends, here on nexus, who are able to use it but cańt understand you...donsolidad wrote: @mannygt
I was only made aware of your mods through "The Gray Cowl. . ." which I think is fantastic, in fact, exactly the sort of mod that keeps me coming back to Skyrim. To me, this whole debacle with Steam is a reminder for those of us who are mod users to be more generous with our praise and our donations.SiniVII wrote: @mcguffin
The only thing those 10 percents show is that the endorsement system is inadequate as a praise measurement, and is not something you should use as a base for your argument.sdupp wrote: @ mannygt Agree with your post, but i don't think it was the only reason for some modders to sell mods as a greedy modder.caffeinatedNetling wrote: Regarding the protest mod having lots of endorsements: Get people emotionally involved with the process of making the mod noticed, and of freaking course they're going to endorse.macintroll wrote: It's just show that 90% of users are just leechers ^^caffeinatedNetling wrote: I typically have "modding sessions" that literally last for days, going straight from vanilla to the setup I'll play through the following months (without even so much as updating anything, I lost too many saves already).
If I could endorse the mods I download in these sessions when I have them open, I would, but by the time the countdown before the endorsements are enabled reaches zero, I can't even remember what I have downloaded anymore.
EDIT: I went to my profile to actually look at what I have endorsed and it's pretty hilarious. 90% of my endorsements have been made from the download pop-up, on the same day during my last "modding rush".sunshinenbrick wrote: This might be very unpopular but could a ratio counter between downloads and endorsements have any help in this particular situation. Later on when a proper well thought out and unexploitative polite paying system is eventually introduced (because it more than likely will) it could be expanded to that as well as a form of quality control.
The way it works, well it gives people a kinda nudge if they are deemed to be abusing the system. A better thought out version of how Steam tried to battle the stealing mod refund situation.
Would not be surprised if this wasn't just a big data collection exercise.MacAban wrote: @ caffeinatedNetling
Account options > Download History, if you want to correct that. You can even endorse from there.skinnytecboy wrote: This comment started very nicely.. actually put a smile on my face. I thought to myself "Ah finally they're all playing nicely". Let me dream a little more please :)
P.s. I for one enjoy making mods and playing mods and my motives are purely personal. However, it's always nice to know that people like what you do. Its nice to feel approval even if it isn't asked for.
So spread some love and hit those endorsement buttons my fine furry friends :)myrrdin35 wrote: With everything that has happened, the very thing you bring up has been on my mind also but in a different way. I'm a mod user, I've tried so many times to make a mod but my brain just can't wrap around that CK. I love what mod authors have brought to my gaming and many times in surprising ways. The problem is I have limited ways to give feedback to mod authors. I can hit the "Endorse" button and/or make a
post on the mod page that usually gets buried very quickly. Neither of these options is ideal for mod authors and users.
I think the Nexus needs to take some time and make the site more user friendly. Right now we have the Top 100 (useless, same mods forever), the hot files (highlights some popular new mods, but they are gone too quickly), and then files of the month (which is buried on the side of the page and not prominent). I think a couple of things can be done so more mods get some exposure and helps us the mod
users interact with you guys the makers.
One, add a review area to the mod pages. And I mean real reviews not just your mod is great or it sucks. Talk about technical stuff, if a quest mod how long did it take, if a texture pack did it look good, and so on. Also make it so we can follow reviewers. Say someone is really good and I can trust their feedback, I would love a way to follow their reviews.
Two, a mod spotlight. It can be an old mod, new one, big or small. Just something that is different, works and could be a good addition to someones game. This could definately highlight some lesser known or older mods that people never new existed.
Three, an area where mod users could upload their mod lists with notes on what kind of playthrough they are for and how well the mods work together and maybe installation notes if needed. Say I wanted a survivalist playthrough or maybe a hardcore your gonna die one or a very well put together texture overhaul. I mean how many times have you seen people say recommend me some mods, but its never that simple. This would definately give more exposure to more mod makers. Also it would give people a base to work from.
Four, Make the files of the month more prominent. There usually is a mix of different mods that people are voting for and it deserves some better screen real
estate.
There are probably many more, these are just the ones I could think of right now. I don't know if any of this is doable or not. But I do know as a mod user, it is frustrating right now trying to give proper feedback. I will say mod makers and mod users should always try to show respect for each other. I told my children when they started using the internet. Remember, the written word doesn't show your face and emotion when you are talking to someone. If you are upset or angry or frustrated, go ahead and type what you want, but don't hit the send button. Walk away for 5 minutes, cool off, think. Then come back read what you wrote and if it doesn't sound right, delete it or rewrite your point in a much calmer way. Communication is not easy to do right, so taking a little time will benefit all in the end.stanleemojo wrote: Many of these DL's are from several countries and more than likely do not speak/read English. I've done this in the past with a Russian modding site, not able to understand a word of it, managing to obtain the mods :\NDDragor wrote: In my opinion its laziness or just not understanding what the endorsement button means. Many people think that it wont change anything if the endorse or leave a comment but I recently uploaded my first mod and for me each endorsment or feedback which my mod gets is a signal that people are liking my mod and that I should keep up my work. Plus all feedbacks (negative and positive) are helping me to work on my mod.
I wont say that I am always leaving a comment or endorsing a file but I really try to make the authors understand that their mods are good if I enjoyed them or point out bugs and issues if there were some. I have played 34 mods until now and endorsed 26 of them. And I have to agree with others about not endorsing downloaded mods because I haven't tried them. Right now I have 45 mods on my list which I have to play.
Well... to make it short. You wont overstrain yourself by clicking on the endorsement button or writing a small comment and the author will most likely appreciate your feedback.skinnytecboy wrote: @myrrdin35
Regarding help from the modding community, perhaps you're not looking in the right place. There are amazing forums here that are a wealth of knowledge and people willing to help unlock it's secrets. .. there's also Google ;)
I really like your review idea btw.Primalsplit wrote: I think mannygt has the right of it here. More people should endorse mods. I admit I wasn't paying much attention with my endorsements (mainly because of the 45 minutes limit). I download a mod, test/play it and then I either be done with testing it within 10 minutes or I just play it for 1-2 hours, sometimes for 3 hours and more. I just forgot endorsing it.
I hope this will be a good lesson to all of us. We as a community should look after each other more. Personally speaking, lesson learned. I advice everyone to be more sensitive towards this subject.MrGrymReaper wrote: @mannygt - Did you make any endorsements during the painful growth period of the Nexus by chance please?
Cause if you did or accidently clicked on the feature for the endorse/undorse during a hic-cup they may have been lost or undone accidentally. It happended to me several times in the past with my slow internet connection.
As a result I was wondering whether the admin has somewhere on the server which keeps a record of endorsements especially those which were endorsed and quickly suddenly un-endorsed.
The reason being I now there's a lot of mods to endorse and/or vote for some of which I now can't post a comment in (following the previous crisis we went through).
So if an admin could please go through the locked or hidden comment mods which I have download and endorsed to please a word of thanks. It would be much appreciated!Dirtysocks wrote: I'm not the poster child for feedback on mods myself, I endorse the mods I use and kudos the authors I truly believe made a fantastic mod, however I do believe personally that your no. of downloads is a much more impressive way to tally your mods success, endorsements are a bonus
In any game only a fraction are active in the forums and chats as such, this does not mean for a second that the remainder do not enjoy the game, they are just less vocal about their excitementFowldragon wrote: how do people come to conclusions without citing the supporting evidence...
FalSkaar has over 1 million downloads according to the Author..People have commented and critiqued it and AV has made extensive revisions..but Ungrateful? You've ignored all the acclaim and the fact that Falskaar is overwhelmingly if not Universally considered ICONIC as a DLC size mod...
If I tell my kid that he needs to work on this or that, am I unloving, not proud? If His Eng teacher gives him a B- on an ESSAY should he be justified in assuming that EVERYONE hates him?
If you want to make conclusions about endorsements you might consider that POLLING people to get their opinions is a PROACTIVE method, whereas the system in place to ENDORSE mods is completely PASSIVE in its approach.zcul wrote: Hi MannyGT,
I fully second this and your previous post. I checked the endorsement rate for some other mods - the same 5 to 10 % maximum (?????).
After installing and running a mod, it takes a minute or 2 for returning to the modder's site and just say "thanks for your work" and maybe some thoughts on it, especially if one keeps it installed, because he/she likes it. All that is a small and humble gesture in return and in comparison with the time and work a modder invested to make a mod and share it with the community to enhance and improve the game for all and - for free.
And the best, doing so as a user does hurt in any way - I tried that myself.b6lph6gor6 wrote: I endorse every mod I like, meaning every mod that I don't uninstall immediately after testing it. If I had to estimate, I'd say I like (and endorse) about 80% of the mods I download.
Although I have to admit that I'm lazy as well. Since I can't endorse the mod immediately after trying it (I like my game to feel vanilla, so I mostly use simple, lightweight mods that don't require a long period of testing for me to determine if I like and keep using them) I often forget to endorse the files. If it weren't for the NMM, half of the mods I use would still wait for my endorsement.
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Yep, the virus scan has been a serious bottleneck recently. It shouldn't take hours for uploaded files to get checked. While I think it's a valuable addition in theory, so far, the practical application has been a disappointment.
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As a premium member, I can honestly say that it's some of the best money I've spent. The Nexus is an invaluable resource, and I greatly appreciate all the hard work you've put into its continued operation and expansion.
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It was a valiant attempt, despite the outcome. I applaud your efforts to continue to improve the Nexus experience.
Are there no pro bono database gurus out there? ;)
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