On all of my previous installs, yes I installed all three UOP files, main, SI, dlc, and then the MBP stuff, and it always crashed on load/new game. However,this time as I stated, I forgot to install any of the UOP files and MBP works fine, I'm dumbfounded as to what could be causing this. Edit: I am very seriously considering never trying to play this again at this point, completely uninstalled and reinstalled. 1. Install game and all dlc 1b. everything works fine 2. Install UOP, UOP SI, UOP DLC, checking to make sure the game works in between each. 2b. Everything works fine. 3. Install UOP supplementals 3b. Game crashes trying to start a new game. 3c. Uninstall UOP supplementals and all UOP since supplementals replaces esps 3d. Game works fine 4. Reinstall UOP 4b. Game crashes on new game. I have been wrestling with this damn game since saturday, please someone tell me theres hope.