Thank you all for replying, Yes I have read about mod changes baking into save games before and know it's a problem, I tend to save my game before I make a mod, then load up my save with mod activated to test it, I then exit without saving (I never load an auto save) only the save I made before adding the mod. I will check out (UniversityPoint02) and see if I can figure it out but like you said it seems as though it has the same problem, it's a shame to have to compromise but maybe I will put the weapon in a container , I guess I want the weapon ingame more than stressing over getting it on the table the right way round first. Thanks for trying to help me guys, I will re-post here if I find a solution, in case it helps some one else.