ff7legend wrote: No pun/disrespect intended towards console users but with Game Pass, one does not actually own the game in question. If one fails to renew their yearly subscription to Game Pass, one will lose access to all those so-called "free games" they downloaded to their console's HDD/SSD. The same applies to PS Plus users. One is far better off buying the actual game vs obtaining it via Game Pass/PS Plus.
I actually prefer physical media vs digital downloads/recordings anyway. With a physical copy, I actually OWN the game/music/movie in question & can watch/play/listen to it as many times as I wish without having to pay those nagging subscription fees. Not only that but the overall sound/video quality of physical media is vastly superior vs digital downloads/recordings anyway. I still have my CDs/Blu-rays for this very reason & will not pay a subscription fee just to watch/play a game/movie or listen to my favorite music. Total RIPOFF.
Another thing to be concerned with are all those DATA OVERAGE CHARGES one is likely to incur depending upon the ISP. Streaming games/movies/videogames eats up A TON OF DATA. This is especially true for 4K/8K video streaming. Many ISPs here Stateside have monthly data caps & charge a King's ransom for going over one's monthly data allotment. Others will simply throttle one's internet speeds to the point where streaming is impossible depending on the device used. Either way, physical media is vastly superior & will save one a TON OF $$$$$$ in the long run...
GamingZacharyC wrote: Someone's a misinformed ranter on this forum. First, find an ISP that doesn't have a ridiculous data cap. 1.2 terabytes a month, my data cap, is plenty for me.
Second, renting your game or movie from a service like Netflix, Disney Plus, and Game Pass are really great options for people who only want to watch a movie once or twice. Chances are I'm never going to watch Frozen 2 again. Renting an entire library of games is a great way to go for people who play a game for a short while (think Human Fall Flat) before needing a new one. Game Pass is a great option for games that aren't replayable. Beyond that, streaming quality is getting better and better. If quality is your concern, well, I'm sorry to say that you're not getting a disk of Flora & Ulysses any time soon. There are times when you have to decide: Wallet or impractical peace of mind.
Something that I haven't even mentioned today is that Game Pass DOES NOT MAKE PROFIT as of yet. Microsoft is taking a gamble with it and hoping that people stick around long enough.
Owning a physical disk because of ISP charges is a very uninformed answer that just screams to me "too stubborn to change." Think about it this way: Owning an Xbox disk is really just a container for a license key and some metadata. You still have to download the game over the internet. Also, if game streaming services like GeForce Now didn't exist, there'd be plenty of games I couldn't play with my potato. Instead of paying upfront for a bunch of expensive hardware, I choose to rent it. My household doesn't incur data cap charges, like, ever.
Of course, I don't know why I'm bothering in an attempt to change the mind of someone who argues so naively anyway. I guess this is here for someone else to read and agree with.
Lominsa wrote: .. there are still ISPs that have data caps? I thought that was a thing of the past. At least in my country.
Kalell wrote: Sadly nearly every ISP here in the US has one, and even the few that don't will start throttling your connection if they feel you're using too much.
showler wrote: Game Pass isn't a streaming service to my knowledge. You download the full game, but with a somewhat restrictive DRM (so you can't just copy it to another folder and keep it). Unless you are constantly downloading and erasing the games, you won't use much more data than just buying and downloading the game.
SciRika wrote: My ISP added a data cap and tried to advertise it as a bonus "you now have 1TB of data!" when it was "you're now limited to only 1TB of data".
Chaosgod3456 wrote: thats not true ps plus games are free and not like game pass if you dont renew you still own the game
Kel1978 wrote: It's quite rude calling people names. If ff7legend is a ranter then so are you, GamingZacharyC, for ranting about his rant. His situation is different than yours. Maybe he doesn't have a great ISP. There are still places in the US without great connections so perhaps his options are limited. Don't be so judgy.
I prefer physical as well. If I really like a game on Gamepass, I'll buy the physical. I mostly go for collector's edition anyways.
I tried the console versions but modding was way too limiting. A mear 5gb? Ridiculous. I'll stick to PC for Bethesda games.
ThomGonring wrote: Or maybe to read and disagree . . .
#1 try not calling names: "ranter", it does not foster conversation, only reactions.
More specific to your post:
"Game Pass does not make a profit" "Microsoft is taking a gamble"
If you think game pass is going to remain a low monthly fee, think again. The low initial price is a lure, and the "gamble" is a long term INVESTMENT. designed to generate profits, imagine that! The price WILL GO UP.
As far as Game Pass's value, it's really as simple as this:
If you want to play a lot of games, and/or try them out without commitment: Game Pass is Great! - Period
If you prefer a small amount of your favorite games, and/or like to mod: Game Pass SUCKS! - Period
ALL OF YOU: recognize that different people have different goals (Which is GOOD!), and stop trying to convert the opposite camp!
MOD CRITICIZERS: Don't knock mods until you get them working right, because when you do: it transforms your game in ways you cannot imagine. Skyrim (2011!) is still more playable than many modern games BECAUSE OF MODS. Yes, they require some patience, but that patience is greatly rewarded.
LAST AND NOT LEAST: ANY internet outage means no gaming with Game Pass. If you're going to try and tell me your internet NEVER goes down, I will call you "nobody", because nobody's perfect (including the internet).
Thank you.
DaveClaw wrote: Game Pass is DRM-locked downloaded games. It is not streaming.
Game Pass is a great way to play 100+ games. Yes, if you enjoy one of those 100 enough to want a permanent copy then it makes sense to buy the GOTY edition a couple of years later for $20. Meanwhile you've saved paying $60 each on many games.
I played Outer Worlds day of release with Game Pass. It was fun but I'm not feeling any urge to replay it unlike my 1,000+ hours in Fallout 4 and eleventy playthroughs of FO 1-2-tactics-3-NV. The $60 I didn't pay paid for months of Game Pass by itself.
showler wrote: Not sure why anyone would address "MOD CRITICIZERS" on the Nexusmods message boards. Not likely to find too many of those around here.
You're aware that discs just have a digital image on them too, right? There's literally no difference between a downloaded file and the one on a disc. It's all digital. Whatever difference you think you're seeing/hearing is either placebo or you're comparing two differently encoded files.
As for the datacap argument; eh, okay. Sucks for you, I guess? I have fiberoptic gigabit ethernet with no restrictions, and IF it should ever go down at an inoppurtune time, I'll hook up my phone and use the 5G connection on that instead. Two different networks, so the likelyhood of both being down at the same time is quite low.
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There's literally no difference between a downloaded file and the one on a disc. It's all digital.
Whatever difference you think you're seeing/hearing is either placebo or you're comparing two differently encoded files.
As for the datacap argument; eh, okay. Sucks for you, I guess?
I have fiberoptic gigabit ethernet with no restrictions, and IF it should ever go down at an inoppurtune time, I'll hook up my phone and use the 5G connection on that instead. Two different networks, so the likelyhood of both being down at the same time is quite low.
Sounds like "stone-age woes" to me thb.