well damn....i tryed and they didnt work but now they do -.- anyway i think my main problem was with the offic patches i got 1 mod working and fixin to try out another sadly i only got 5 mins befor work so ill have to work on it more tomarrow if 1 of you dont mind helpin me out more maybe you can pm me your AIM or MSN? i love oblivion i like how you have to work to get abilitys up not just slap points into it or somthin dumb and for a future note...dont try to fight Trolls with a newbie claymore and iron armor i got my butt handed to me lol