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He's a computer. He's probably running off a subsystem in the Lucky 38 or something.

Gold is still valuable in Fallout's world; the NCR used to back up it's currency with gold until their mines got blown up.. or something. Anyway the radio thing drove me crazy, it was cheap an annoying especially in the final sections. Also, I am amused at how the epilogue tries to foreshadow future DLC, and tries it's best to make a fight between two Couriers sound epic. Yeah. Doesn't work. When I think of Couriers fighting the only image that pops in my head is someone from Fed Ex and someone from UPS throwing parcels at each other.

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Do you honestly think a military leader of any nation today could casually countermand their leader's orders, send troops in VIOLENT OPPOSITION to that leader's personal guard then abandon that leader to persue their own agenda and then come back later? Game dialogue. She's a hydroponics researcher at Rivet, always has been. Never worked at Project Purity before unlike Dr. Li and the guys who escape with you. So.. the PC doesn't have high science.. except when they do? What? Funny how Dad dies by his own choice. Funny how you can repeatedly say this to others. Your desire to be ignorant of the facts doesn't negate their existance. He fulfills the role of imbecillic villian. That's about it. I'd argue that it's not and shouldn't be his role. Because his role is never really defined. Is he your nemesis? Is he a loyal Enclave soldier? Is he a rebel? He keeps flip flopping motivations and objectives for no reason. That, right there, is bad writing. Garbage. I could write a better plot and characterisation in an hour and I've never written anything in my life. Bethesda simply didn't try.

I don't see anywhere where he says that he never rebelled against Eden. He does say (in one path of the final dialogue tree) something about respecting the chain of command, but that could simply mean that his "rebellion" against Eden's orders is simply a case of refusing to obey orders he thinks are misguided. This happens plenty of times in fiction, and sometimes in real life. Now, the fact that you can talk about loyalty to a machine that no longer exists is either an oversight that should have been precluded by conditions in the dialogue choices, or is based on an assumption that Autumn doesn't know Eden is destroyed. That is a plot hole either way, but a pretty minor one (especially as it isn't likely you can follow that tree anyway). In the convo with Autumn you can convince him to no longer be loyal to Eden, at which point he LEAVES. Even though he was trying to activate the Purifier according to his own plan and NOT Eden's. And no, Autumn doesn't just refuse to obey orders. He actively countermanded the President's direct orders to keep you alive, sent his own men against the President's guards and then fled from Raven Rock taking most of the Enclave troops with him. By any account, Autumn commited treason. He broke the chain of command long before you talk to him at the Purifier. Holt was a two-bit scientist at Rivet. She had about as much experience with the Purifier as you have. And you're telling me that a high INT/Science child of the man who built it wouldn't be a valuable asset? Sorry, there's no logical reason for Autumn to shoot you at that point, just as there was no reason for Autumn to shoot Janice. He's written as a complete imbecile who continually shoots himself in the foot. Nonsense! Are you seriously comparing Autumn to The Master or the Lieutenant? Hell, even Frank Horrigan is better written than Autumn.

What game were you playing? The ghouls at Underworld continually refer to how the BoS shoot them on sight. And the BoS abandoned the Purifier for 20 years, even though it's within spitting distance of the Citadel. Aside from the fact that half of the characters you mention can't die, what you're saying is like me saying deliberately jumping into a pit in Super Mario is a game feature for supporting Bowser.

Disagree. His motives and methods seem to be pretty consistent to me. Your inability to understand them may be a sign of weak writing, or maybe weak reading. I think you are reading into his actions things that are not there, nor even implied. His rebellion against Eden may not be at all altruistic - he may want to spare the mutants and ghouls and "damaged humans" because they represent potential slave labor that he wants to see killed off discriminately, rather than en masse. His actions seem perfectly consistent with a military man who thinks solutions come from the barrel of a gun, and everyone outside the Enclave is just a tool to be discarded when of no further use to him (see what happens top the PC if the PC gives him the code). You miss the fact that Autumn FORGETS he's rebelled against Eden at the purifier. Now either the radiation addled his brain or it's bad writing. Furthermore, he suffers from selective mercy. He'll kill you for cooperating but spares Anna Holt? Why? surely the son/daughter of THE GUY WHO CREATED the damn thing would be more of use than some throaway scientists picked up at Rivet City. Moreover shooting you is against his best interests, he has NO reason for shooting you, NO reason for even being against you. Even if he's an evil SOB with an agenda, *he does it really badly* I mean, he could *try* to convince a moral character to see things the Enclave's way with a "greater good" speech or try not to do his damn best to drive an evil character right into the arms of President Eden. But that's the thing, at no point do I get the sense that Autumn is thinking at all, he's a cardboard cutout character going through the motions regardless of the harm he's doing to himself.

The fact remains we can't fully gauge Autumn's character because he is written so badly. He forgets what he's already done and repeatedly does thing in a manner where he'll be sure to lose. I can't even say he's a mustache twirling villian, because his motivations and methods keep changing every time we see him.

That is not true. ANYONE who controls the water purifier and uses it for everyone is the best chance of reviving the wasteland.And I completely disagree with the choice of having a government. Would you like a corrupted government who could kill you anytime because you refuse to pay erm... well.....lets say supplies to rebuild the wasteland or would you prefer keeping them to yourselves and being able to go anywhere without harm? And... do you notice the post has changed from autumn surviving high rads to autumn's coat to enclave is good or bad? As opposed to the Brotherhood who shoot ghouls on sight for no reason and refused to protect the Purifier until *somebody else wanted it*? Yeah, a lot better. I don't get the whole "control the purifier, control the capital" anyway. The purifier works all at once or not at all. That is - it cleanses the entire basin all at once. Therefore whoever controls the thing can only hold the wasteland to ransom for as long as they *don't* use it. Once they do, what are they going to do? Put up a fence around every lake, river and sink in the wasteland with a sign saying "kindly do not steal this clean water"?

That's the thing, Autumn isn't written to be evil. He's written to be Eden's foil. But he fails miserably at that. He's too humane to endorse Eden's plan for genocide, but will shoot scientists and restrained prisoners in cold blood - even when it'd be to his advantage to ally with you! He also rebels against the President but... doesn't. Let's look at the facts here: - He directly opposes the President's plans. - He wilfully disobeys a direct order from the President. - The President in response has his robot guards open fire on Enclave troops loyal to Autumn - Enclave troops abandon Raven Rock in direct rebellion to the President - Autumn's personal diary says he has reservations about Eden and keeps the secret ZAX destruct code just in case. So how in the hell does a man who doesn't follow the President's orders, uses his troops agsint him and secretly plans to kill him if things get out of hand claim to still be following the chain of command? And you have to convince him not to? That's not bad writing, that's completely insane writing. It's like they had a bunch of writers for this who never communicated.

Like I said, he's badly written. He shoots Janice to say "Rar! Me evil!" and to give Dad a horribly flimsy excuse to sacrifice himself. The way I would've written it is to have Autumn and the Brotherhood at odds over the Purifier with Dad and you caught in the middle. The BoS has it, Autumn wants it. Autumn wants to rebuild the government. The BoS wants to establish themselves as the local power much like the Mid-West Brotherhood did in Chicago. Tensions are high, somebody starts shooting. Dad and some of the scientists get caught in the crossfire. You and the others flee to somewhere neutral (perhaps the Outcasts) and things escalate from there with you choosing to throw in with the BoS, Autumn, Eden or maybe just yourself.

The National Guard gets mentioned many times throughout the game. Just replace their decals with the unused U.S. Army ones, flush the "rawr! Brotherhood!" references and there you go. A modder could do it. :P In the end, shouldn't that be for the player to decide? Maybe the ends *do* justify the means. Maybe the Brotherhood are just too ineffective to really get the job done. But that fundamental choice is not there. You either follow the Brotherhood and their giant stompy robot or nothing. Oh yeah, you can choose to go with Hitler-9000's plan. But that's even worse. Super evil genocide or super good. Where's the grey area?

Which is pretty sad if true since they could still use the Enclave (if they really *had* to, which they didn't) saying that small Enclave outposts were seeded across America, the Ghouls and perhaps a variety of super mutant. The only faction that wouldn't be possible is the BoS, which frankly are superfluous. You could replace the BoS with "Generic Power Armor Using Faction That Hid Under The Pentagon" and get the exact same plot.

NCR? Hell, nothing like The Hub has emerged. Wait, strike that. The Capital Wasteland is barely on Junktown's level. And after 200 years that's really sad.