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as feedback: I've done my donations (multiple small ones to different mods, but I think still more then they get from Valve with a 25% Cut ;) ). I hope enough people participate in this. ;)

Like I said in my long text in the big thread about this topic: As a personal consequence, I'm going to donate, now that I'm aware of this topic. But still have to wait two more days, until I get my pay. ;)

I'm totally with you! Not liking paid mods is fine (actually I dont like them, coz imho the disadvantages prevail), discussing it, even with a bit of temper is fine. But those overreacting what happens right now is absolute disgusting. All those trolling, threatening, spamming and insulting what actually happens is a total nogo. Wrote already a text in the "paid mods for Skyrim" Topic (page 27) at this whole topic (but beware, looong text from a not native speaker ;) ) also addressing those behavior which we actually can see on different places. I'm so sick of it right now.

I'm sorry for the length of the following text, especially after someone directly before me posted a longer text, but the topic is complicated and I think a shorter text wouldn't live up to this topic. Hello to you all!I want to share my view on the whole "paid-mod" topic. It's now three days and there was enough time to give the topic some thoughts. Actually, I'm really sad at the moment. Not only coz of the "paid mods" (who has read my posts on steam forums, knows, I'm not a friend of them), but also coz of the behaviour of the so called community. To discuss a topic, even with a bit heat is fine. To be against it and protest against it, is also fine. I don't think that petitions change anything (clicktivism has never changed anything), but that's a kind of expression, that's ok.Even the negative reviews. In my view that's not justified, coz aside from the mod problematic, Skyrim is still one of the best RPG out there. But fine, if you think this will help, feel free. What I really dislike is this total overreacting. Spamming, insulting and trolling in 1.000.000 Threads and comment sections, even in Topics where Newbies ask for help is not ok. All this insulting and even threatening is absolutly not ok. Not against people with another opinion of this topic and also not against mod authors, no, not even against those, that set their mods behind the paywall or against Valve / Gabe. Such things are simply a nogo for civilized people.And another thing, guys, get your facts right. I've read some abstruse arguments, that are more a conspiracy theory than anything other. This doesn't help, not even a bit, in the discussion. Also: pirating those mods is in no way ok! So an appeal to people on both sides: Please behave like civilized people, not like a wild Nerd-Rage Kiddy Mob. All those trolling, threatening and insulting helps nobody and only heads a flame war. There are some trolls, that are only there for this, please ignore them simply. Now, let me continue on the topic itself. Like mentioned above, I'm not a fan of this paid-mod system Valve introduced. But let me begin on the other side. YES, imho there are modders, that deserve to get something for their mods. There are mods, playing Skyrim isn't even imaginable without them. And I can totally understand, when some of those authors now made a paid version with the wish to get something back. I don't see even problems here on this alone, especially, if there still is a functional free version and the author tells: There may be some extra features from the new paid version missing, but the free version is functional and will stay functional. Most of you have for sure already noticed, I'm talking now about SkyUI. Let's be honest: next to the unofficial Patches, SkyUI is one of the most important mods ever for Skyrim. I think they have totally deserved to get something back and the new paid-mod system gives them the chance for it. He even has vested, the free version will be hold functional. Or lets speak about Wet and Cold. Also there is the old free version still functional and the author wrote, he plans to upload the actual version in a month or two later also for free. Maybe not optimal but imho still ok. Who wants it now, pays, the rest of us waits for the free version or takes the older one. I'm actually fine with it. If it only were this points, I actually had nothing about paid mods. I can live with them. So, why is it, that I nonetheless didn't like paid mods? This has different reasons and nearly all of them are well known. - I don't like the way, the workshop works. Autoupdate with no way to go back to a earlier version is fatal for a modded skyrim installation. In the worst case I buy a mod what I can't use due to conflicts (or coz the author broke it). This way, workshop mods are a nogo for me. - The Cut. I think we don't need to discuss here too much. While a big mod like SkyUI sure will still made a discreet sum, small mods will barely reach the payout limit from $100,- and when, that's for taxes when I'm not wrong, the "normal" modder wouldn't earn much. Sorry Valve + Bethesda, 25% for the modder is far to less. I understand you need your cut for making this possible and steam even has some costs with hosting and administrating, but you'll have to find another share. I say the modder deserves at least 50% of the sum. - To much insecurity. 24h refund time is a bad joke. Who guarantees me support? Updates (of the game and of the mod) can break a mod, in bigger mods there is no way to come across every game breaking problem in the first 24h.Who is responsible for the warranty, the law guarantees me, Valve? Bethesda? Or is it in the end the poor modder.And who gives the modder security? Customer right laws all over the world are a real minefield. As it looks now, I'm fearing if really something happens, the modder is on his own. Neither Valve nor Bethesda would support them in a lawsuit. And yes, I'm positive, such a thing can actually happen. - Complicated right situations. Many mods are the work of not only one person, but of many. There are assets used from others. The paid mods are only a few days old, but we already had problems in this direction. "Art of the catch" is already gone and ""Wet and Cold"" has an DMCA notice (even if it looks, like this will be clear up soon I think). I think especially here are so many legal tripping hazard, couldn't be fun for the modders. - And then there are the people who will steal mods of others on purpose, only to try make some money with the work of others. Even with the possibility of DMCA Notices, I think Valve isn't doing enough here, to prevent this. And again, I bet nearly anything I have, if the worst comes, neither Valve nor Bethesda would help. - A flooding of low quality Mods to rip off people. Some say money draws talent, I say money draws people who came for the money. Until now, the people decided to mod out of passion, maybe the wish for a little fame but never for the money. This will change. Now we get modders that didn't even know the game, before they heard, they can earn money with it. And many of them wouldn't care about things like quality or care for their mods. Already seen some on the steam forums of that kind. I say: "No! Please! If money is your main motivation, please go, nothing to see here, we don't want you!". - The fear that many good mods go behind a paywall without an alternative. Those disadvantages together are far to much and so I come to the conclusion: Those paid-mods are a bad thing we don't need. Not this way. Now someone may ask, what's the alternative solution? I think, like many others, Donations is a great way to go. Yes, I know the argument against it, they mostly didn't work and I must admit, that's how it looks. But I think we can change that. The main problem until now: Those whole "donations thing" what's already possible on Nexus has a problem: awareness. I'm honest, I haven't donated anything to mods until now. Why not, coz I'm a greedy bastard who doesn't grant anything to others? NO! Mainly coz I wasn't really aware of this topic. This whole "paid mod" thing was it, what made me aware of the problematic here. This whole thing must be presented more prominent and even a bit more aggressive! At last, let me talk about my personal consequences out of this.- It's some time gone, since I've last played skyrim, and I've started a new game. :-)- I'm more sensitive for this whole topic. - I actually plan to make donations, at least to some mods. Unfortunately it's impossible to donate to everyone I think, at least at once. This said, there is a also another problem: Like I said, SkyUI deserves something for sure (regardless of "Omg they going behind the paywall", whats, how I showed, only partial true), but they don't have (anymore?) a donation button and, like I said, I dislike aside from paid-mods, workshop-mods in general plus I don't want spent money to valve / Bethesda. So it looks like there is actually no way to give them something back (left aside that a donation wouldn't give me access to Ver.5). So yes, dear authors of SkyUI: While I can understand your step, it prevents me somehow from rewarding you for your great mod. This is a complicated topic and I've for sure forgotten some aspects but I think this wall of text is already long enough. Sorry for that!And coz I'm not a native speaker, I've for sure done some cruelties to the English language, also sorry for that. Now feel free to look up the photo of a nice potato for yourself (Imgurians and 9gaggers would understand, for the rest: don't think to hard over it, it isn't wort it. :wink: )