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Dwalin2012

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Hi everyone, I am starting a new playthrough with quite a lot of huge quest mods installed, to the point that even at the start of a new game I already have almost 780000 references loaded. I read that a little more than 1000000 is the absolute limit, after which the game starts crashing or doesn't save or load at all. I also read that a solution to this problem would be adding an esm flag to the mods with the biggest number of references, therefore lowering the number of the temporary ones; however, many people say that sometimes this can break quests, like for example "A city on a hill", in "Helgen reborn", unless some characteristics of quest NPC's are changed to persistent (I am not good at modding though, so I didn't really get this part of the explanation, unfortunately). However, it seems it doesn't happen to everybody and depends on each people's specific playthrough...

 

Could anyone please help and tell me which mods are safe to "esmify" without breaking the quests? Apart from Helgen Reborn and Moon and Star, which can cause problems, I didn't find any specific examples or a mod being "safe" or "unsafe" for a "esp to esm" flag change. Here is my load order with the number of references for each mod, could you please tell me if there are any reference-heavy mods that could be changed to esm without problems? I am especially wondering about "Qaxe's questorium" which has over 100000 references or "Clockwork" which has over 30000, so it would be quite helpful if I could lower their number:

 

Found 0 temporary and 41433 persistent (41433 total) loaded references in [00] Skyrim.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 4799 persistent (4799 total) loaded references in [02] Dawnguard.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 4871 persistent (4871 total) loaded references in [03] HearthFires.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 6656 persistent (6656 total) loaded references in [04] Dragonborn.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 5381 persistent (5381 total) loaded references in [07] BSHeartland.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 240 persistent (240 total) loaded references in [09] Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 10058 persistent (10058 total) loaded references in [0B] LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 4518 persistent (4518 total) loaded references in [0C] 3DNPC.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 664 persistent (664 total) loaded references in [0D] JerralMountainsCitadel.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 318 persistent (318 total) loaded references in [0E] JerallMountainsCitadelPart1.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 1076 persistent (1076 total) loaded references in [0F] JerallMountainsCitadelPart2.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 1272 persistent (1272 total) loaded references in [10] AnnaNPCs.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 7374 persistent (7374 total) loaded references in [11] Artaeum.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 1845 persistent (1845 total) loaded references in [12] AKSkyrimUnderground.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 835 persistent (835 total) loaded references in [13] DA_Skyship.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 2389 persistent (2389 total) loaded references in [14] Dwarfsphere.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 4960 persistent (4960 total) loaded references in [16] Vuldur.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 3052 persistent (3052 total) loaded references in [17] Wyrmstooth.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 3014 persistent (3014 total) loaded references in [1A] Falskaar.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 3201 persistent (3201 total) loaded references in [1B] maslea.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 3821 persistent (3821 total) loaded references in [1C] Midwood Isle.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 883 persistent (883 total) loaded references in [1D] Gray Fox Cowl.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 4629 persistent (4629 total) loaded references in [1E] Vigilant.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 3234 persistent (3234 total) loaded references in [1F] Glenmoril.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 9160 persistent (9160 total) loaded references in [20] Phoe.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 7951 persistent (7951 total) loaded references in [21] TheBawbsShire.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 946 persistent (946 total) loaded references in [22] WheelsOfLull.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 532 persistent (532 total) loaded references in [23] MzarkWonders.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 765 persistent (765 total) loaded references in [24] Unslaad.esm.
Found 0 temporary and 3363 persistent (3363 total) loaded references in [25] Vominheim.esm.
Found 1152 temporary and 45 persistent (1197 total) loaded references in [28] Gray Fox Flora Overhaul.esp.
Found 492 temporary and 0 persistent (492 total) loaded references in [2A] Falskaar Wildlife.esp.
Found 10969 temporary and 58 persistent (11027 total) loaded references in [2B] DepthsOfSkyrim.esp.
Found 14469 temporary and 400 persistent (14869 total) loaded references in [2C] northern_encounters2.esp.
Found 2896 temporary and 353 persistent (3249 total) loaded references in [2D] OrganicFactionsExtension.esp.
Found 199 temporary and 404 persistent (603 total) loaded references in [FE 003] DBM_BSHeartlandPatch.esp.
Found 19776 temporary and 2092 persistent (21868 total) loaded references in [2E] Helgen Reborn.esp.
Found 3864 temporary and 301 persistent (4165 total) loaded references in [2F] Distin.esp.
Found 316 temporary and 39 persistent (355 total) loaded references in [31] SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp.
Found 687 temporary and 2 persistent (689 total) loaded references in [33] BirdsOfSkyrim_SSE.esp.
Found 9244 temporary and 400 persistent (9644 total) loaded references in [34] moonpath.esp.
Found 274 temporary and 0 persistent (274 total) loaded references in [35] Moonpath Navmesh Fix.esp.
Found 110561 temporary and 8321 persistent (118882 total) loaded references in [36] QaxeQuestorium.esp.
Found 949 temporary and 33 persistent (982 total) loaded references in [FE 004] DwarfsphereImprovedPatch.esp.
Found 3572 temporary and 270 persistent (3842 total) loaded references in [37] MoonAndStar_MAS.esp.
Found 15780 temporary and 806 persistent (16586 total) loaded references in [38] Undeath.esp.
Found 23406 temporary and 394 persistent (23800 total) loaded references in [3A] The Shadow of Meresis.esp.
Found 97 temporary and 16 persistent (113 total) loaded references in [3B] ZIA_Complete Pack.esp.
Found 869 temporary and 37 persistent (906 total) loaded references in [3C] RF_Pinevale.esp.
Found 5773 temporary and 590 persistent (6363 total) loaded references in [3D] SkyrimBounties.esp.
Found 30846 temporary and 1969 persistent (32815 total) loaded references in [3E] Clockwork.esp.
Found 260 temporary and 126 persistent (386 total) loaded references in [3F] SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp.
Found 567 temporary and 73 persistent (640 total) loaded references in [40] Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp.
Found 346 temporary and 107 persistent (453 total) loaded references in [FE 006] DBM_3DNPC_Patch.esp.
Found 160 temporary and 0 persistent (160 total) loaded references in [41] BirdsAndFlocks_SSE.esp.
Found 15426 temporary and 1055 persistent (16481 total) loaded references in [42] BecomeKingofSkyrim.esp.
Found 8403 temporary and 570 persistent (8973 total) loaded references in [43] TSR_TeldrynSerious.esp.
Found 113 temporary and 0 persistent (113 total) loaded references in [46] Cloaks.esp.
Found 210 temporary and 13 persistent (223 total) loaded references in [47] SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp.
Found 26546 temporary and 1201 persistent (27747 total) loaded references in [48] StoicBooks.esp.
Found 400 temporary and 166 persistent (566 total) loaded references in [FE 008] DBM_AmuletsOfSkyrim_Patch.esp.
Found 189 temporary and 13 persistent (202 total) loaded references in [49] Artifacts.esp.
Found 97 temporary and 29 persistent (126 total) loaded references in [4A] CitizensComplete.esp.
Found 1001 temporary and 37 persistent (1038 total) loaded references in [4B] SaveTheIcerunner.esp.
Found 1612 temporary and 72 persistent (1684 total) loaded references in [4C] WZOblivionArtifacts.esp.
Found 155 temporary and 33 persistent (188 total) loaded references in [FE 00B] DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp.
Found 138 temporary and 102 persistent (240 total) loaded references in [FE 00C] DBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.esp.
Found 3290 temporary and 384 persistent (3674 total) loaded references in [4F] konahrik_accoutrements.esp.
Found 1780 temporary and 350 persistent (2130 total) loaded references in [50] QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp.
Found 2229 temporary and 155 persistent (2384 total) loaded references in [51] Song of Parkin-san.esp.
Found 385 temporary and 160 persistent (545 total) loaded references in [FE 00F] DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp.
Found 246 temporary and 11 persistent (257 total) loaded references in [52] Fossilsyum.esp.
Found 659 temporary and 74 persistent (733 total) loaded references in [53] Fortune's Trade House.esp.
Found 278 temporary and 49 persistent (327 total) loaded references in [55] mihailhousedrescamp.esp.
Found 5729 temporary and 450 persistent (6179 total) loaded references in [56] QaxeRavenrockShop.esp.
Found 1115 temporary and 83 persistent (1198 total) loaded references in [FE 011] DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp.
Found 26178 temporary and 1054 persistent (27232 total) loaded references in [57] APWHSW.esp.
Found 3561 temporary and 393 persistent (3954 total) loaded references in [59] Glamoril.esp.
Found 18244 temporary and 853 persistent (19097 total) loaded references in [5B] jurgholm.esp.
Found 533 temporary and 22 persistent (555 total) loaded references in [5C] SkyrimMurderMysteries01.esp.
Found 7600 temporary and 648 persistent (8248 total) loaded references in [5D] ForgottenCity.esp.
Found 84 temporary and 22 persistent (106 total) loaded references in [FE 013] DBM_MAS_Patch.esp.
Found 10352 temporary and 85 persistent (10437 total) loaded references in [5F] blackreachrailroadnew.esp.
Found 170 temporary and 14 persistent (184 total) loaded references in [FE 015] DBM_BlackreachRailroad_Patch.esp.
Found 388 temporary and 149 persistent (537 total) loaded references in [FE 016] DBM_SUT_Patch.esp.
Found 137 temporary and 80 persistent (217 total) loaded references in [FE 017] DBM_KA_Patch.esp.
Found 139 temporary and 44 persistent (183 total) loaded references in [FE 018] DBM_Falskaar_Patch.esp.
Found 13481 temporary and 1656 persistent (15137 total) loaded references in [61] bhabhilon.esp.
Found 1502 temporary and 19 persistent (1521 total) loaded references in [64] DwemerSpectresLegendary.esp.
Found 3229 temporary and 216 persistent (3445 total) loaded references in [66] Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp.
Found 23991 temporary and 1174 persistent (25165 total) loaded references in [67] Dreamborne Islands.esp.
Found 166 temporary and 28 persistent (194 total) loaded references in [68] BTSAFeatheredFriend.esp.
Found 110 temporary and 36 persistent (146 total) loaded references in [FE 01F] DBM_TheGrayCowlofNocturnal_Patch.esp.
Found 87 temporary and 73 persistent (160 total) loaded references in [FE 020] DBM_Wyrmstooth_Patch.esp.
Found 98 temporary and 86 persistent (184 total) loaded references in [FE 021] DBM_WheelsofLull_Patch.esp.
Found 266 temporary and 34 persistent (300 total) loaded references in [69] ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp.
Found 1233 temporary and 35 persistent (1268 total) loaded references in [6A] birka.esp.
Found 5531 temporary and 432 persistent (5963 total) loaded references in [6B] AKTheLostDwemerCastle.esp.
Found 192 temporary and 18 persistent (210 total) loaded references in [77] Moonpath Sky and Lightning Fix.esp.
Found 5760 temporary and 760 persistent (6520 total) loaded references in [7D] thedark.esp.
Found 0 temporary and 114 persistent (114 total) loaded references in [7F] OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp.
Found 77 temporary and 33 persistent (110 total) loaded references in [FE 040] DBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.esp.
Found 156 temporary and 142 persistent (298 total) loaded references in [FE 041] DBM_Fossils_Patch.esp.
Found 1580 temporary and 962 persistent (2542 total) loaded references in [81] Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp.
Found 599 temporary and 27 persistent (626 total) loaded references in [84] Argonian Hatchlings.esp.
Found 647 temporary and 46 persistent (693 total) loaded references in [85] Khajiit Caravan Kittens.esp.
Found 12903 temporary and 3887 persistent (16790 total) loaded references in [86] DragonsKeep.esp.
Found 14327 temporary and 2012 persistent (16339 total) loaded references in [88] CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp.
Found 7477 temporary and 420 persistent (7897 total) loaded references in [89] Tools of Kagrenac.esp.
Found 8280 temporary and 507 persistent (8787 total) loaded references in [8A] fortdawnguardimmersive.esp.
Found 99 temporary and 21 persistent (120 total) loaded references in [FE 053] DBM_ImmersiveCollegeofWinterhold_Patch.esp.
Found 24065 temporary and 2187 persistent (26252 total) loaded references in [8B] Rigmor.esp.
Found 557 temporary and 69564 persistent (70121 total) loaded references in [8D] DynDOLOD.esp.
Found 971 temporary and 212 persistent (1183 total) loaded references in [8E] Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp.
Found 523324 temporary and 253585 persistent loaded references, for a grand total of 776909 loaded references.

 

 

 

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