Do i have to join the thieves guild or dark brotherhood?

[StayFrosty05]

 

 

You have to admit, it is at least interesting to note the inherent contradiction of killing an old woman who didn't provoke you personally, and then expecting to keep your hands clean.

An old woman who abuses those weaker than herself and can't protect themselves from her....have you seen the room with the child height shackles?... :blink: ....Don't get me wrong, I would have much preferred and alternate way of dealing with her and getting her the hell away from the kids for good....But Skyrim is very Medieval and as such justice is a lot harsher than we are used to in our real lives....and so as such harsh dealings such as her being put to death does fit Skyrim's medieval social and brand of justice environment.

 

I suppose if you're role-playing a responsible Thane of Riften who decides to go Dirty Harry on Riften, you'd be inclined to see it that way. Of course, you wouldn't neglect to help out a few poor Argonians in need (even if what they want is stuff like gems or whatever).

 

Nah, 'responsible anything' isn't in his nature, thus he will never wed or adopt either, his not big on 'responsible'...:P....He does have his own very involved RP, Morality, Back Story, etc...though...is pretty brutal and a law unto himself, but does have a soft spot for those who can't defend themselves and will go out of his way to help out if he feels compelled to do so....doesn't always (bad hair days maybe...:P...)....And yep, always gives the Gems to the Argonians...:)... doing so is no skin off his nose, he ends up with a vast cache' of Flawless Gems anyway, is one of the very few things he doesn't sell off.

[buba1]

There actually is a "destroy the thieves guild" mod as well... If you don't your only option is to ignore them and be harassed by Brynjolf every time you go into Riften.

 

Destroying the factions is shorter than partaking of them, but unless you're going for an utter completionist it doesn't hurt much.

thanks for this i dont care about completing the game i just dont like the dragonborn's double standards

[buba1]

You have to admit, it is at least interesting to note the inherent contradiction of killing an old woman who didn't provoke you personally, and then expecting to keep your hands clean.

yeah i even hated that part killing someone just cause a kid says so XD wish i hadn't done that

[buba1]

Having played the game thru several times, opt'ing to destroy the Assassins guild is a viable alternative to the "Same-O"

game play thru, this MOD will extend the "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood" quest a little bit.

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/35785

 

I havent played "Destroy the Thieves Guild" MOD but once again, to change the game play thru, I'll try anything :smile:

 

But as mentioned above, NOT joining the guilds really reduces game play time.

 

To change the way I played the game, I decided to play a pure Mage ...then I realized that the end result is the same thing,

level 81 and all skills maxed, a hybrid, can't avoid it.

thanks this looks interesting

[RatcatcherOfKvatch]

My moral queasiness ends where the "extra beatings" begin.

 

I can also reason out the legality of killing Grelod: by not allowing adoption she is, in effect, guilty of kidnapping. Kidnapping by itself, however, despite being a felony, does not legally justify homicide to end it. (This is mostly to keep ex-'s from thinking they can legally kill each other over custody disputes.)

For a homicide against a kidnapper to be justifiable the kidnapping must be "aggravated" -- and that's where the "extra beatings" come in. Not all corporal punishment is child abuse, but a request for adoption is a request for legal services -- and for an end to illegal confinement -- which if reasonable cannot be lawfully punished with violence. The legal term for that is "Retaliation" and it's a crime; perpetrated against children it is child abuse. Now we have an aggravated kidnapping.

Finally the only escape for the children from their aggravated kidnapping is for the Dragonborn to commit justifiable homicide. Jurisdictions which require "no other choice" or "all other reasonable options exhausted" have their tests met as well.

 

Thus by the self-defense laws of most places governed by the rule of law killing Grelod would be legal, or at least have a solid defense from prosecution. Stopping an aggravated kidnapping by killing the kidnapper when there is no other choice would in most places be an open-and-shut case of justifiable homicide.

 

(As the Dragonborn serves as his own prosecutor he can, of course, refuse to prosecute and save the hassle of a trial on the grounds that the case can't be won and would squander valuable resources better spent in more productive activities. Yes, yes, I hear you saying, "Conflict of interest." Perhaps we can get the Greybeards to serve as a jury with Paarthurnax as judge. Last time I checked they said, "Anything you want, Dragonborn, as long as you don't trust those Blades poltroons you obviously have the wisdom to take care of these matters yourself. We trust you!" Paarthrunax just said something about "Joorre Tinvaak" and laughed.)

 

Dragonborn, Ace Attorney ... talk about Phoenix Wrong ...

[Femaiden]

My moral queasiness ends where the "extra beatings" begin.

 

I can also reason out the legality of killing Grelod: by not allowing adoption she is, in effect, guilty of kidnapping. Kidnapping by itself, however, despite being a felony, does not legally justify homicide to end it. (This is mostly to keep ex-'s from thinking they can legally kill each other over custody disputes.)

For a homicide against a kidnapper to be justifiable the kidnapping must be "aggravated" -- and that's where the "extra beatings" come in. Not all corporal punishment is child abuse, but a request for adoption is a request for legal services -- and for an end to illegal confinement -- which if reasonable cannot be lawfully punished with violence. The legal term for that is "Retaliation" and it's a crime; perpetrated against children it is child abuse. Now we have an aggravated kidnapping.

Finally the only escape for the children from their aggravated kidnapping is for the Dragonborn to commit justifiable homicide. Jurisdictions which require "no other choice" or "all other reasonable options exhausted" have their tests met as well.

 

Thus by the self-defense laws of most places governed by the rule of law killing Grelod would be legal, or at least have a solid defense from prosecution. Stopping an aggravated kidnapping by killing the kidnapper when there is no other choice would in most places be an open-and-shut case of justifiable homicide.

 

(As the Dragonborn serves as his own prosecutor he can, of course, refuse to prosecute and save the hassle of a trial on the grounds that the case can't be won and would squander valuable resources better spent in more productive activities. Yes, yes, I hear you saying, "Conflict of interest." Perhaps we can get the Greybeards to serve as a jury with Paarthurnax as judge. Last time I checked they said, "Anything you want, Dragonborn, as long as you don't trust those Blades poltroons you obviously have the wisdom to take care of these matters yourself. We trust you!" Paarthrunax just said something about "Joorre Tinvaak" and laughed.)

 

Dragonborn, Ace Attorney ... talk about Phoenix Wrong ...

 

we are of course talking about a world where first degree murder is a minor crime punishable by a fine of 1000 gold pieces...and thievery is punished by a fine of 40 gold pieces...unless you are not the dragonborn and the guards and all the common rabble will converge on you and tear you limb from limb...(I saw this happen in riften on multple occasions)

Edited June 23, 2013 by Femaiden

[RatcatcherOfKvatch]

It's good to be the King, eh?

 

Anyway to experience "peasant law" as the Dragonborn friendly fire with a spell will do the trick. It's probably a bug, since having a weapon drawn in the non-casting hand and sheathing it counts as a yield, but "zero tolerance" for errant spells does happen to fit the lore.

 

Edit: "Zero forgiveness"; the tolerance-level is the same.

Edited June 23, 2013 by RatcatcherOfKvatch