Need help with load order...

[Shelecktra]

Ive already ran a BOSS and nothing seems to be a problem according to BOSS as far as load order is concerned... but for some reason i am still CTD'ing unexpectadly... the only thing i could mention is that it USUALLY (and i say usually because its not every single time, it just seems to be the common cuplprit) happens when i draw my bow (to clarify i mean draw an arrow, not unsheath it from my back)

 

As i said, im not sure if its load order, but it cant hurt to get some opinions on the list just to be sure, and if anyone sees the problem ill be really happy! :smile:

 

I have already considered the fact that due to the CTD happening during a weapon based action that it would be a good idea to try disabling weapon mods, this has given no result however.

 

So yeah, the only other (and last) thing i could say about the issue is the CTD dosnt happen on load ever, its always during game play, usually about 30 mins to 1 hour in.

 

So here goes...

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

Hearthfires.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

TERAArmors.esm

Hideout.esm

Babettes Feast v1_2.esp

BabettesFeastBallanced.esp

SkyUI.esp

DragonSoulConverter.esp

HBetterBows.esp

TerAArmors.esp

HarvestOverhaul.esp

HarvestOverhaulDawnguard.esp

HarvestOverhaulSalmonRoe.esp

HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfire.esp

hideout - hearthfires.esp

WeightlessScrolls.esp

WeightlessPotions.esp

WeightlessDwemerSmeltables.esp

WeightlessDragonClaws.esp

WeightlessDragonBones.esp

WeightlessAlchemyIngredients.esp

WeightlessFood.esp

WeightlessOreIngotsPeltsGems.esp

WeightlessCraftedPotions.esp

GoldenVendors.esp

TemptressVixen.esp

[ripple]

Download the unofficial patches for the base game and the DLCs. Run BOSS, copy/paste the BOSS log (with the messages), including the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated. Enclose them in spoiler tags so they won't clutter the screen. Will take a look.

[Shelecktra]

A couple of notes ill make here, coz i looked through it and was a bit confused about a few things.

 

1.- For the 2 mods that tell me i need a compatibility patch coz the original file was released before the creation kit - i have these patches already, i dont know why its still asking me to do this.

 

2.- I DO have UNP for the TERRA armor mod, again not a clue why its not picking this up.

 

Something odd happened on the last crash, usually one of 2 things happens, a CTD OR i get frozen up forcing me to pull the plug. Every once in a blue moon i get lucky and im able to access my desktop despite the game still being frozen and im able to get the task manager up to force quit the game.

 

I noticed another tab on my task bar, i couldnt get any information from it as the game was still open in its crashed state and all i could get was the title of the thing that had opened on crash.

 

Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library - thats all i could get from the title, no error message or code.

 

 

 

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

• Skyrim.esm Active
• Update.esm Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
  • Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Dawnguard.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 619 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• HearthFires.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 184 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• ApachiiHair.esm Active
• RaceCompatibility.esm Active
• TERAArmors.esm Active
• Hideout.esm Active
  • Warning: Original file was released before the Creation Kit (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch).
• Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active
• Babettes Feast v1_2.esp Active
• BabettesFeastBalanced.esp Active
  • Warning: Original file was released before the Creation Kit (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)
• Birdsofskyrim.esp Active
• Crafting300.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• SkyUI.esp Active
• DragonSoulConverter.esp Active
• HBetterBows.esp Active
• TERAArmors.esp Active
  • Requires: DIMONIZED UNP female body
• HarvestOverhaul.esp Active
• HarvestOverhaulDawnguard.esp Active
• HarvestOverhaulSalmonRoe.esp Active
• HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfire.esp Active
• hideout - hearthfires.esp Active
• WeightlessScrolls.esp Active
• WeightlessPotions.esp Active
• WeightlessDragonClaws.esp Active
• WeightlessAlchemyIngredients.esp Active
• WeightlessFood.esp Active
• WeightlessDragonBones.esp Active
• WeightlessOreIngotsPeltsGems.esp Active
• WeightlessDwemerSmeltables.esp Active
• WeightlessCraftedPotions.esp Active
• GoldenVendors.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
• TemptressVixen.esp Active

[ripple]

1) Download TES5Edit from the link in your BOSS log, follow the instructions on the page, and clean the plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edits', including the patch and DLC esm's. You'll need to remove identical to master entries as well as undelete/disable deleted references.

 

2) You don't have Sharlikran's 'fixed' versions of those outdated mods. BOSS is able to tell this because the fixed versions of those plugins are named differently. Download the 'fixed patches' you need from the links in the BOSS log and check the installation instructions for each of them. Some are intended to 'replace' the original plugin and others are intended as 'patches' to be loaded after the original plugin containing the error.

 

- did BOSS generate a list of plugins it did not recognize?

- have you made any edits to the default game ini fles?

- are you using mods that do not come with plugins, for example, texture or body replacers? If so, list them.

- what is your PC system spec?

[Shelecktra]

Ok, so i decided to aleviate the problems caused by hideout and babbettes by just simply getting rid of them. Decided that ive not been using them anyways lately so just take them out altogether for now.

 

My boss looks as it does below now.

 

Boss hasnt generated a list of unknown plugins.

 

I dont recall having made any changes to my ini files this install

 

The only thing i use that dosnt come with a plugin is Dimonized UNP Female Body, Boss seems to think i need this in order to use TERRA Armors but i know i have it.

 

And system specs are as follows

 

OS - XP SP3

CPU - Dual Core Pentium4 2.8ghz

Ram - 3gb

GPU - NVIDIA GeForce 210 1gb

 

 

 

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

• Skyrim.esm Active
• Update.esm Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Dawnguard.esm Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• HearthFires.esm Active
• ApachiiHair.esm Active
• RaceCompatibility.esm Active
• TERAArmors.esm Active
• Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active
• Birdsofskyrim.esp Active
• Crafting300.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• SkyUI.esp Active
• DragonSoulConverter.esp Active
• HBetterBows.esp Active
• TERAArmors.esp Active
  • Requires: DIMONIZED UNP female body
• HarvestOverhaul.esp Active
• HarvestOverhaulDawnguard.esp Active
• HarvestOverhaulSalmonRoe.esp Active
• HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfire.esp Active
• WeightlessScrolls.esp Active
• WeightlessPotions.esp Active
• WeightlessDwemerSmeltables.esp Active
• WeightlessDragonClaws.esp Active
• WeightlessDragonBones.esp Active
• WeightlessAlchemyIngredients.esp Active
• WeightlessOreIngotsPeltsGems.esp Active
• WeightlessFood.esp Active
• WeightlessCraftedPotions.esp Active
• GoldenVendors.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
• TemptressVixen.esp Active

[ripple]

BOSS is just reminding you that you need to have UNP installed to use TERA Armor. It's not an actual error message (since there is no way for BOSS to tell if you actually have UNP installed because it doesn't come with a plugin, that 'reminder' just get shown every time you run BOSS).

 

So, is the game running better now? If not, post your papyrus log into a spoiler tag. Maybe something will come up.

[Shelecktra]

Ok, this is where my limitations of understanding mods comes to its inevitable end xD

 

i understand a fair bit about mods, even made a few myself in the past, but i have no idea how to locate a papyrus log...

 

If you can give me a direction to it ill get it straight up tho. :)

 

The game... well i thought it was running fine, got an entire hour out of it earlier then when i least expected it i got a fatal freeze forcing me to hit the power button again >.>

[ripple]

Copy/paste this into your Skyrim.ini:

[Papyrus]
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1

When the game freezes, can you alt-tab out?

[Shelecktra]

No, if my game freezes up there is a 99% chance i have to hold the power switch to force my pc to turn off...

 

As i mentioned above on a once in a blue moon opportunity i CAN actually alt-tab out, but in the most case i have no control over my pc and Skyrim will literally fuse itself to my pc... not sure why this is, i get the same with Morrowind in similar occasions too, just nowhere near as often... like never now-a-days almost...

 

Ill copy that to my ini now and see if i can get a log for you

[Shelecktra]

just to clarify, which skyrim ini do i need to be saving this to?

 

i have Skyrim_default.ini and Skyrimprefs.ini

 

They arent in the same folder, but they are the only 'skyrim.ini' files i have