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[mrcool795]

Hello everyone!

 

 

I really need your help, Im trying to elminate CTDs, and freezes to get the most stable as I can

 

1. I can you guys please tell me if the mods I have installed, are "stable" from your point of view. Do recommend removing any of the mods I have installed.

 

 

2. Please help me optimize my load order to make it more stable.

 

 

Here is my current load order from loadorder.txt (I will keep it up to date with any changes I do after your advices):

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
moonpath.esm
SPIKE.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
unofficial skyrim patch.esp
unofficial dawnguard patch.esp
unofficial hearthfire patch.esp
unofficial dragonborn patch.esp
unofficial high resolution patch.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
realrainCoT.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp
BirdsHFclean.esp
Birdsofskyrim.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
hqsnow.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Book Covers Dawnguard.esp
Book Covers Hearthfire.esp
MVABasic.esp
Moss Rocks.esp
skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
Footprints.esp
Ket_3DLoadscreens.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Dr_BandolierDG.esp
BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp
BandolierForNPCsCloaksOfSkyrim.esp
BandolierForNPCsBanditsWearHelmets.esp
moonpath_questdata.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
SkyrimChimneysRW.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
Distant DetailHF.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
AIMP - Antz in my Pantz.esp
Chesko_Step418.esp
grass & ground fixes.esp
SoS - The Dungeons.esp
SoS - The Wilds.esp
SoS - Civilization.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLODungeons.esp
SoS - The Dungeons-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp
SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoT.esp
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMajorCityInteriors.esp
SoS - Civilization-PatchRLOMinorCities.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp
moveitLWT.esp
Purewaters.esp
PurewatersDG.esp
PurewatersDB.esp
WATER.esp
WATER Plants.esp
WATER DB Waves.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
Better distant LOD waterfalls V2.esp
ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp
BurntCorpses Remake.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp

 

 

 

Thank you!

 

 

NOTE: This load order has been tested with a NEW GAME and that's where I get the CTDs, everytime I change the order, I do a NEW GAME.

 

 

EDIT 1:

* Have runed BOSS (its the order above), the only thing that is changed is "uskp_addon.esp" witch was moved to where it is now in the position above.

* I use NMM

* I have used TES5EDIT on ALL my mods and cleaned them

* The CTD is around the are at the first "Guardian Stones" either on the road from and to Riverwood (to the stones) and the lake just beside the stones.

 

 

EDIT 2:

* Made a totally new game again, now it froze right outside "Helgen Keep", just when I and "the stormcloak guy" had killed some wolves.

* I have SKSE installed, version 1.6.15

 

 

EDIT 3:

* It seems the CTD has stopped (maybe), but now it freezes instead, I continued my save game after the last one where it froze and now I get to the Guardian Stones, Riverwood, get the free stuff etc, and then it freezes when I go back the Guardian Stones! On the road maybe 1-30 meters to the stones, freeze!

 

EDIT 4:

Removed LOTS of mods.

Edited June 21, 2013 by sajberkg

[markus242005]

1. Bonus question first: No, it doesn't.

 

2. If you want to optimize your load order, download BOSS, install it correctly using the readme provided, and run it. It will load order everything it has recognized (which should be most of your list) and then leave everything else at the end.

http://code.google.com/p/better-oblivion-sorting-software/downloads/list

 

3. From what I can tell, there's nothing obvious that should be causing CTD's. Be more specific about when freezing and CTD's happen, outdoor areas, when entering cities, interior cells (inside houses) etc... there maybe some information that can be gleaned from knowing when you're getting CTD's.

 

4. Are there any other mods that don't have plugins that you manually installed, that aren't listed here?

 

5. Are you using NMM, Wrye Bash, TESVEdit, any other utilities that may help narrow down why and when it's happening?

 

6. If you run BOSS, and still experience CTD's, re-run it, then copy and paste BOSS's load order into here, enclose it in spoiler tags, as not to take up a ton of screen room when skimming through the article. It would look like this {spoiler} pasted BOSS listed {/spoiler} except you need you use [ ] these brackets, not { } these. If I were to have explained it using the correct brackets, it would have put my explanation into a spoiler, like this:

 

 

pasted BOSS list

 

 

You can also edit your original post, and add the spoiler tags to your original load order post :D

 

Good luck.

[mrcool795]

1. Bonus question first: No, it doesn't.

 

2. If you want to optimize your load order, download BOSS, install it correctly using the readme provided, and run it. It will load order everything it has recognized (which should be most of your list) and then leave everything else at the end.

http://code.google.com/p/better-oblivion-sorting-software/downloads/list

 

3. From what I can tell, there's nothing obvious that should be causing CTD's. Be more specific about when freezing and CTD's happen, outdoor areas, when entering cities, interior cells (inside houses) etc... there maybe some information that can be gleaned from knowing when you're getting CTD's.

 

4. Are there any other mods that don't have plugins that you manually installed, that aren't listed here?

 

5. Are you using NMM, Wrye Bash, TESVEdit, any other utilities that may help narrow down why and when it's happening?

 

6. If you run BOSS, and still experience CTD's, re-run it, then copy and paste BOSS's load order into here, enclose it in spoiler tags, as not to take up a ton of screen room when skimming through the article. It would look like this {spoiler} pasted BOSS listed {/spoiler} except you need you use [ ] these brackets, not { } these. If I were to have explained it using the correct brackets, it would have put my explanation into a spoiler, like this:

 

 

pasted BOSS list

 

 

You can also edit your original post, and add the spoiler tags to your original load order post :biggrin:

 

Good luck.

 

Edited the first post! :smile:

 

EDIT 1:

* Have runed BOSS (its the order above), the only thing that is changed is "uskp_addon.esp" witch was moved to where it is now in the position above.

* I use NMM

* I have used TES5EDIT on ALL my mods and cleaned them

* The CTD is around the area at the first "Guardian Stones" either on the road from and to Riverwood (to the stones) and the lake just beside the stones.

Edited June 21, 2013 by sajberkg

[bben46]

More info needed

How often do you get a CTD?

Is a true CTD (crash to desktop) or some other kind of crash - such as the game freezing - a True CTD gives no warning and you are suddenly looking at the desktop.

 

Is there any kind of warning - screen starts to break up? strange colors? pause then CTD? Black screen with sound still running?

 

Where or when do you have these CTD? - is there any common factor - going through a door (load screen shows or doesn't show)? When approaching a particular place? After a certain amount of time - 30 minutes? 2 Hours? When entering combat? During combat?

 

Can you restart immediately and go right back to your last save?

[markus242005]

Are there any mods that were disabled on the current save you're using?

 

Have you tried starting fresh, with a new game, and continue to get CTD's in the same area?

 

Is it a new game you're having this happen and just can't get past that point in the road? Have you tried going a different route and have the same thing happen?

 

It would appear, if you've ventured many other places, and only continue to get a CTD in that area, that it has to do with a mod in that area. Are there any mods in your list you can think of that make changes in that area? Not necessarily specifically that area alone, but there may be a mod which is deleting navmeshes in that area causing a CTD.

[mrcool795]

More info needed

How often do you get a CTD?

Is a true CTD (crash to desktop) or some other kind of crash - such as the game freezing - a True CTD gives no warning and you are suddenly looking at the desktop.

 

Is there any kind of warning - screen starts to break up? strange colors? pause then CTD? Black screen with sound still running?

 

Where or when do you have these CTD? - is there any common factor - going through a door (load screen shows or doesn't show)? When approaching a particular place? After a certain amount of time - 30 minutes? 2 Hours? When entering combat? During combat?

 

Can you restart immediately and go right back to your last save?

 

Pretty often, but it varies 0-30 min

Its a true CTD

 

No warning.

 

No combat, they are around the "Guardian Stones" (near Riverwood), Mostly it has been on the road between "Riverwood" and the "Guardian Stones".

 

Yes I can restart immediately and go right back to my save. (Got one infinite loading screen ONE time when I loaded, but I think it was a single time thingy)

 

 

NOTE: This load order has been tested with a NEW GAME and thats where I get the CTDs, everytime I change the order, I do a NEW GAME.

[mrcool795]

Are there any mods that were disabled on the current save you're using?

 

Have you tried starting fresh, with a new game, and continue to get CTD's in the same area?

 

Is it a new game you're having this happen and just can't get past that point in the road? Have you tried going a different route and have the same thing happen?

 

It would appear, if you've ventured many other places, and only continue to get a CTD in that area, that it has to do with a mod in that area. Are there any mods in your list you can think of that make changes in that area? Not necessarily specifically that area alone, but there may be a mod which is deleting navmeshes in that area causing a CTD.

 

No disabled mods.

 

Yes its a fresh new game.

 

When I load the game I can advance a bit further.

 

 

No, not any mods I can think of modifies that area...

Edited June 21, 2013 by sajberkg

[mrcool795]

Made a totally new game again, now it froze right outside "Helgen Keep", just when I and "the stormcloak guy" had killed some wolves

 

 

EDIT: Updated first post with SKSE, info

Edited June 21, 2013 by sajberkg

[mrcool795]

It seems the CTD has stopped (maybe), but now it freezes instead, I continued my save game after the last one where it froze and now I get to the Guardian Stones, Riverwood, get the free stuff etc, and then it freezes when I go back the Guardian Stones! On the road maybe 1-30 meters to the stones, freeze!

Edited June 21, 2013 by sajberkg

[markus242005]

Have you tried verifying cache through Steam yet?