Problem with NPC combat death

[Guest deleted2588518]

NPC's are not being killed. They only stagger, then stand right back up with full health.
I made the assumption that this is due to one of the combat mods I have installed but after disabling each mod, even all at one point, this seems to still happen.

So I have no idea if this is due to a script that isn't part of these combat mods or if the script is persistant even after those mods have been disabled/removed. I understand that scripts can stay in the save even after a mod is removed so I attempted a new game with the mods removed and still have the problem.

Its rather interesting because I have Warzones installed. The Skirmish at White River is overflowing with NPCs, half of which are just standing around and the other half are simply crawling on the ground. None of the NPCs have died.

Here are the combat mods in my load order (or mods that have some element of combat tweaks).

 

*NOTE: I have ran all of these mods before with zero conflict. It is only now, after updating yesterday that I have this issue*

 

Warzones - Civil Unrest

Duel - Combat Realism

SkyRe - main (not the combat, AI or other parts although it does alter NPCs)

Requiem

Deadly Dragons & Monsters (not sure if it alters human NPCs like bandits)

Arrow and Bolt Tweaks (doubt it has anything to do with the problem but you never know)

 

Also, I'll drop my full load order in a spoiler. Never know what random mod has elements that could cause this issue.

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
SPIKE.esm
WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm
DA_Skyship.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
Armored Skeleton.esp
Carriage1.esp
DaedricCrownCraftable.esp
DragonCrownCraftable.esp
DragonPlateCrownCraftable.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
EbonyCrownCraftable.esp
ElvenCrownCraftable.esp
GlassCrownCraftable.esp
GypsyEyesCaravan.esp
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
WetandCold.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
bound weapons redux.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
LeatherBackpackBlack-100.esp
LeatherBackpackBrown-100.esp
LeatherBackpackDarkBrown-100.esp
LFArmors.esp
Non-playable Armor.esp
Pauldrons.esp
skyforgedShields.esp
TrissArmorRetextured.esp
WestWindMisfit.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Dr_BandolierDG.esp
BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp
BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp
BandolierForNPCsCheaperBandoliers_BalancedWeight_Dawnguard.esp
HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp
HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardDragonborn.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
DeadlyMonsters.esp
Duel - Combat Realism.esp
Requiem.esp
SkyRe_Main.esp
SkyRe_HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonbornPatch.esp
SkyRe_Survivalism.esp
ABT - Increased Bolts Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp
ABT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp
ABT - Loot Arrows HARDCORE.esp
ABT - Merchants Arrows HARDCORE.esp
ABT - Recover +25% Arrows and Bolts.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
PumpingIron.esp
RayeksEnd.esp
RiversideLodge.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
skyforgedWeapons.esp
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
ETaC - Villages Complete.esp
ETaC - Morthal.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
RealisticRoomRental.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp
RND_Requiem-Patch.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
StavesofSkyrim.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
psikoticsnecromancy.esp
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp
UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp
Better Followers - SBP.esp
Better NPC - Faction Pack.esp
CerwidenCompanion.esp
Delphine Makeover D2.esp
Ulfric Kulich.esp
No DB Mooks.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Purewaters.esp
PurewatersDG.esp
PurewatersDB.esp
RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp
Unmarked Places - Dragon Mounds.esp
Unmarked Places - Shrines.esp
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
SGEyebrows.esp
DA_Skyship_Dragonborn.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp
ReProccer.esp
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp
warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp

 

 

Load order has been washed thru BOSS.

Edited July 1, 2013 by TotalMeltdown

[Guest deleted2588518]

Did a little digging... Something has set ALL NPCs to essential! lol, why!?

[Guest deleted2588518]

Fixed - Load order problem.
Duel must be loaded before Requiem and SkyRe or it causes boat loads of problems. Also, make sure not to have duel enabled in NMM so when you run your SkyProc Patcher it doesn't stick it way down on the load order and fubar your patch. Then just drop Duel back in above Requiem and you're set.

Duel picks up a few things Requiem leaves untouched, (for one reason or another) like dynamic blocking, etc... set to master it makes one helluvah combat overhaul. Archery is a problem at low levels until you get skilled and (like it isn't hard enough) add the stealth components from Path of Shadows and you really, really, REALLY have to work for survival. Starting out is a bit rough, and Bleakfalls Barrow is killer on a low level without silver and lots and lots of fire.

 

Full exported load order below.

**note: I run both Alternate Start and Helgan Reborn. There is a problem with AS:LAL and Helgan Reborn if you aren't doing the default start. Basically, turn off HR until you run AS:LAL to Riverwood with Hadvar or Rolf. Then save, turn off AS:LAL and turn on HR. (if you leave AS:LAL on, you WILL crash when talking to Balgruuf the Greater)**

 

 

 

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
DA_Skyship.esm=1
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm=1
SPIKE.esm=1
WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm=1
WinterholdDestruction.esm=1
CCBT-kore.esm=1
brawlbug-plugin.esp=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1
Armored Skeleton.esp=1
DA_Skyship_Dragonborn.esp=1
DaedricCrownCraftable.esp=1
DragonCrownCraftable.esp=1
DragonPlateCrownCraftable.esp=1
Dual Sheath Redux.esp=1
EbonyCrownCraftable.esp=1
ElvenCrownCraftable.esp=1
ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp=1
GlassCrownCraftable.esp=1
GypsyEyesCaravan.esp=1
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1
xgfPferdeKarren-en.esp=1
Character Creation Overhaul.esp=1
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp=1
IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
WetandCold.esp=1
WetandCold - Ashes.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
iHUD.esp=1
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp=1
bound weapons redux.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp=1
1nivWICCloaks.esp=1
1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp=1
DragonbornArmorFix.esp=1
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1
LeatherBackpackBlack-100.esp=1
LeatherBackpackBrown-100.esp=1
LeatherBackpackDarkBrown-100.esp=1
LFArmors.esp=1
Non-playable Armor.esp=1
Pauldrons.esp=1
skyforgedShields.esp=1
TrissArmorRetextured.esp=1
WestWindMisfit.esp=1
Dr_Bandolier.esp=1
Dr_BandolierDG.esp=1
BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp=1
BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp=1
BandolierForNPCsCheaperBandoliers_BalancedWeight_Dawnguard.esp=1
HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp=1
HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardDragonborn.esp=1
mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedDGCompatibility.esp=1
Duel - Combat Realism.esp=1
Requiem.esp=1
Requiem - GoldHasNoWeight.esp=1
Requiem - Faendal & Sven available as Followers.esp=1
Requiem - Vanilla Death Cam.esp=1
DeadlyDragons.esp=1
DeadlyMonsters.esp=1
SkyRe_Main.esp=1
SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp=1
SkyRe_HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonbornPatch.esp=1
SkyRe_Survivalism.esp=1
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp=1
Inconsequential NPCs.esp=1
PumpingIron.esp=1
RayeksEnd.esp=1
RiversideLodge.esp=1
RiverWood Redux.esp=1
Riverwood Redux Expanded Basement.esp=1
AIRangeIncrease_NoAggro.esp=1
ArchmageTolfdir.esp=1
CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp=0
CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp=0
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
Headtracking.esp=1
Immersive Weapons.esp=1
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1
TheChoiceIsYours.esp=1
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp=1
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp=1
Skyrim Unlimited Rings And Amulets.esp=1
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1
skyforgedWeapons.esp=1
Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp=1
ETaC - Darkwater.esp=1
ETaC - Dragon Bridge.esp=1
ETaC - Ivarstead.esp=1
ETaC - Rorikstead.esp=1
ETaC - Morthal.esp=1
ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp=1
Helgen Reborn.esp=0
BFT Ships and Carriages.esp=1
SkyrimSewers.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp=1
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp=1
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
RND_DrinkingFountains-Patch.esp=1
RND_Requiem-Patch.esp=1
RND_USKP-Patch.esp=1
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp=1
ToL_SKSE_by_Brevi.esp=1
ToL_MCM.esp=1
SBF Lydia CBBE.esp=1
SBF Jordis CBBE.esp=1
WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6.esp=1
WerewolfPerksExpanded_1.6b.esp=1
dovahkiinrelax.esp=1
Path of Shadows - Magic.esp=0
Path of Shadows - Alchemy.esp=0
Path of Shadows - Combat.esp=1
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1
CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp=1
ABT - Loot Arrows HARDCORE.esp=1
ABT - Merchants Arrows HARDCORE.esp=1
ABT - Increased Bolts Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp=1
ABT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp=1
ABT - Recover +25% Arrows and Bolts.esp=1
Path of Shadows - Sneak Settings.esp=1
Path of Shadows - Sneak Perks.esp=0
StavesofSkyrim.esp=1
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp=1
psikoticsnecromancy.esp=1
Beards.esp=1
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp=1
UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp=1
My Home Is Your Home.esp=1
Alexina.esp=1
Amanda.esp=1
Lyla.esp=1
Michelle.esp=1
Misha.esp=1
Stella.esp=1
Ysolda.esp=1
Better Followers - SBP.esp=1
Better NPC - Faction Pack.esp=1
Delphine Makeover D2.esp=1
Ulfric Kulich.esp=1
CerwidenCompanion.esp=1
RealisticRoomRental.esp=1
No DB Mooks.esp=1
CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp=1
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp=1
SGEyebrows.esp=1
SUM.esp=1
Purewaters.esp=1
PurewatersDG.esp=1
PurewatersDB.esp=1
RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp=1
Unmarked Places - Shrines.esp=1
Unmarked Places - Dragon Mounds.esp=1
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp=1
warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp=1
Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp=1

 

Edited July 9, 2013 by TotalMeltdown