surian Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 well, let's be realistic here, neither one of them is a "military genius" or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 well, let's be realistic here, neither one of them is a "military genius" or anything. True. But Kerry has less experience because of his anti-war stance... or so everyone thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surian Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I personally admire his anti-war stance. He's made it clear that the Iraq war, while possibly necessary, was handled in a very poor way and that he will try to bring us OUT of Iraq as quickly as possible. However, at the same time he says that we can't just pull everyone out at once because that's going to cause more problems than it will solve so he suggests a gradual removal of troops while at the same time economically rebuilding Iraq so they can stand on their own again. That's reasonable, however the GOP has taken those two statements and turned them into "Kerry is flip-flopping on the issues!". To me, his past is a plus. I can't imagine anyone actually being in favor of the veitnam war these days, it was poorly handled, dragged on for a decade and we eventually had to admit defeat. To me, Kerry was brave in standing up for what he believed in when he was younger. Today it probably hurts him more than anything though because of some of the enemies he made while protesting. But did Bush ever stand up for anything in his life except for his failing oil buisnesses? I think that the fact Kerry did something while Bush did nothing has some relevance as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalSnafu Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 no... If you were a soldier, they are not going to teach you how to invade an enemies country and the different tactics in doing so. If you ar a soldier you are taught to run, jump, follow orders, and shot people.Kerry was an officer. He doesn't have experience with tactics that a general would have, but he did have experience at lower tiers of command. But Kerry has less experience because of his anti-war stanceI'm confused... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 but he did have experience at lower tiers of command. Well, so did Bush (National Guard), so what's your point? But Kerry has less experience because of his anti-war stance I'm confused... Because he stood against war he only thinks in peace. How can a guy that is anti-war know how to handle a very hardcore war? It just looks bad on his part. He may know things but no one knows for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surian Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I don't think that his past anti-war (and current position on the war in Iraq) means that he has lost his experience in leading or in war. It just means that he can step back from the issue and look at it from a different viewpoint. In my opinion, Kerry has much more reason to question Bush's compitence as a military leader than Bush does of Kerry, however, due to the SBVT ads and the "talking heads" in the media focusing on Kerry he has been put on the defensive for some reason. Hell, my grandfather was a Col. in Vietnam, he had a silver star from Korea and was also a soldier in WWII, he had several purple hearts and (litterally) a shoe box full of other medals. He even got a medal for leading a bayonette charge in Korea (BAYONETTES!?). After the vietnam war he resigned in disgust from what he had seen being done in the war, after what he felt was a waste of our soldier's lives and a poorly orginized war. My grandfather (while never talking about his military past) was fiercly patriotic and never stopped believing in our country but he could still form an opinion about vietnam that concluded that our country did horrible things that he, as a war hero, could not approve of. You can't tell me that just because he did not approve of vietnam that my Grandfather somehow lost his patriotic spirit or that he lost any of his military experience. The same goes for Kerry. Just because he didn't support the vietnam war doesn't mean that he doesn't support our country or that he despises our soldiers. Such an idea is proposterous but for some reason it's the line being played over and over again by the GOP and Bush's campagin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalSnafu Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 Well, so did Bush (National Guard), so what's your point?My point was that Kerry was an officer. Because he stood against war he only thinks in peace. How can a guy that is anti-war know how to handle a very hardcore war? It just looks bad on his part. He may know things but no one knows for sure.If you say so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Because he stood against war he only thinks in peace. How can a guy that is anti-war know how to handle a very hardcore war? It just looks bad on his part. He may know things but no one knows for sure. If you say so.... I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying that is what conservatives think... Personally, I think anyone that is extreme Bush or extreme Kerry is crazy... (no offense to anyone) Just to clearify something, if you like Bush because you hate Kerry or the other way around, you are not extreme. I call that "decisive voting". You can't be an extreme and decisive voter. Just to let you know... I can't stand extreme people!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalSnafu Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying that is what conservatives think...Sorry for the misunderstanding :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surian Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 People who have such extremes are dangerous to be honest. I don't "HATE" Bush, but I don't "LOVE" Kerry either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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