Callighan Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Yes, but the problem is, Africa and Southamerica have got bigger countries, and nothing worthy comes out of those countries in SA and Africa. Just a point of information.Both South America and North Africa have oil. Africa has uranium and minerals at least in Namibia, Niger & Gabon, and South Africa. In WW2, the Germans conquered Norway, even though if Norway didn't do anything (it's only later, when the Geramns conquered Norway, then the Norwegians started to make plans to free themselves, but that is a different story). Norway had ports. German U-Boats had their bases in Norway, if I'm not mistaken. Anyhow, I think the threat of nuclear war isn't so prevalent these days. The power struggle is now fought on the economic front, not the battlefront. But if you are convinced that a third world war will start, I think the cause of war would be connected to the Palestine-Israel issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian22 Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 “Some may say it’s pessimistic, but I've lived in a few countries already and there is not much hope, that the future life will be much comfortable.” I understand what you’re saying, but I think you missed the point of what I was trying to say. What I said about humanity coming a long way is true. Go back just a few centuries and you would see that the life of the average human being wasn’t worth crap. For most people the average life expectancy was 45 years. By the time you were 20 you would be middle-aged. There is more conflict today than any other century… maybe but that’s because there is over 6 billion people on the world today. In the middle ages people would kill each other over a loaf of bread. People would go to public hangings and laugh and cheer while watching a man die. And I’m not talking about savages in some god forsaken *piehole* I’m talking about supposedly civilized people. As screwed up as we are today, and don’t get me wrong, I know we’re screwed up; the value of the average human being’s life has never been higher. I’m not blind to the fact that the world is a screwed up place. I spent 2 months living in a concentration camp when I was only 7 years old. Sleeping in the dirt and starving while sorunded by men with guns. I’ve been to places in this world where orphan children live in garbage dumps. But I also see the flipside. I see people marching to not to war, but in defense of the human rights of their fellow man. People risking life and limb traversing hostile lands in order to bring food and medicine for starving and sick children. We are human beings, we are nasty horrible creatures true, we still crowd around car crashes to get a glimpse of some horrible sight, but at least now most of us cringe instead of cheer. And we’re not stupid, and that’s really the point I was making. Yes there are wars. Yes there will be more. Yes Pakistan and India may get into a conflict and maybe one or both of those 2 nations might be stupid enough to use a nuclear bomb, but do you think if that were to happen that the US or some other country with nukes would also launch their missiles leaving the world a wasteland from pole to pole. I suppose it’s possible, but I doubt it. I mostly agree with what you said. At all it's just fishing in muddy waters. It could be all more worse or could be better. There are also a lot of new technologie parking in the drawers like some kind of new revolutionary solar technologies and so on. We also can't imagine how the world reacts if some nation launch again an atomic bomb. What I only want to say is, that the world is in a critical stage and the next decades will show if it collapse or humanity can do a u-turn. I agree, the knowlege and comprehension is given in some parts, so there is still hope. But it doesn't matter much what some nations doing, the fortune of earth is in the hands of only three. Thats China, India and U.S.A. and their politicians really dont show much of will to change in the last years. Mostly they care about their own concerns and friendly ignore global conventions, if they dont like them. Indonesia as Nr.4 in World-Population is totally lost, then we have a hugh continent with africa that is a warzone, middle-east full of conflicts and instability. Well and in the financial world we see the first omens of marx prognosis of the collapse of capitalism. How to fix all this? I really don't know. I guess it needs a really deep change in the minds of humanity to think in global matters and not in local or personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VengfulSoldier Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I haven't read in anyone's responses two major points, but if I had missed someone mentioning these in any form I deeply apologize. A.Japan has been successfully pushing legislation to eliminate all WMDs from all countries by 2020.B.The nuclear holocaust scenario is a worse case scenario, worse case scenarios rarely play out and when they do the consequences aren't always as bad everyone thinks. Another thing I have yet anyone to mention that the creators of Fallout have stated that just like Half Life(they didn't mention that but you get the idea), Earth's technological development was much different and much faster than ours at the present moment. They have laser pistols and rifles with soldiers running around in mechanized medieval armor. My last argument, if history truly repeats itself(I believe history repeats itself with different intentions), then we won't meet a mass extinction by a nuclear arsenal...in fact I'm betting we won't even become extinct by our own hands and I'll bet that millions of years from this moment, humans and other intelligent life will be having the same concerned discussion except they'll be dealing with weapons that destroy planets and entire solar systems. We will never know when it ends because it will end to fast for us to realize or too slowly...depending on what tool is causing the effect.\ And to the mention that this century has had more armed conflicts then any other....do you mean the 20th century or 21st century, cause we're in a new one buddy and let me tell you, the farther back you go, the more cryptic History becomes, most historians guess that we've always been a violent race and that the number of conflicts have never increased or decreased in number, just size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbzliln1ck Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 If history teaches anything, it’s that history repeats itself. If you look back throughout our history you’ll see the proof of what I’m saying. Every empire will eventually fall and another will rise in its place. But Buddha is right. In that kind of scenario, no one wins. Do I think that there will be a WW3 and that one day the world will be like fallout? Hell no. Maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but I like to think that humanity has come pretty far and that we are beginning to see that we all have to live in this world and that the best way for us all to live is peacefully. Of course there will always be some SOBs who will trample all over other peoples human rights. Tyrants like Hitler or Sadam Husain who gassed his own people, but what aholes like that want is power. Even they understand that if they start a nuclear war there will be no one left for them to rule. Our biggest concern should be some lunatic who doesn’t have anything to lose. Someone who doesn’t care about wealth or power, all they want is to watch the world burn, but the chances of someone like that getting their hands on a nuclear arsenal is pretty slim, at least I hope so. i agree with you but hitler wasnt a tyrant thoughi dont like him fyi but he wasnt a tyrant is a person who killed to get to power hitler was elected but anyway i do agree and to the people who said it, if even pakistan and india got into a nuclear war, america probaly wont suffer any casulties (if you count tourists i guess) but the aftermath will be almost as bad if we were all wiped out by a nuclear war id not just as. because birthdefects will go up all around the world not just asia because of the fallout and atomic dust. look at hiroshima and all the defects we have all across the globe. if anyone here is from the east coast and is old enough to remeber the Three Mile Island Nuclear Generating Station accident, i bet many birth defects are an effect of that and that wont be as close as a regular nuclear war let alone a global nuclear war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbzliln1ck Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I haven't read in anyone's responses two major points, but if I had missed someone mentioning these in any form I deeply apologize. A.Japan has been successfully pushing legislation to eliminate all WMDs from all countries by 2020.B.The nuclear holocaust scenario is a worse case scenario, worse case scenarios rarely play out and when they do the consequences aren't always as bad everyone thinks. Another thing I have yet anyone to mention that the creators of Fallout have stated that just like Half Life(they didn't mention that but you get the idea), Earth's technological development was much different and much faster than ours at the present moment. They have laser pistols and rifles with soldiers running around in mechanized medieval armor. My last argument, if history truly repeats itself(I believe history repeats itself with different intentions), then we won't meet a mass extinction by a nuclear arsenal...in fact I'm betting we won't even become extinct by our own hands and I'll bet that millions of years from this moment, humans and other intelligent life will be having the same concerned discussion except they'll be dealing with weapons that destroy planets and entire solar systems. We will never know when it ends because it will end to fast for us to realize or too slowly...depending on what tool is causing the effect.\ And to the mention that this century has had more armed conflicts then any other....do you mean the 20th century or 21st century, cause we're in a new one buddy and let me tell you, the farther back you go, the more cryptic History becomes, most historians guess that we've always been a violent race and that the number of conflicts have never increased or decreased in number, just size. i agree look at all the wars in asia minor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poliochi Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 One day the world will burn...And when that day comes, be in in 5 years, 10 years, 100 years...We need to be ready. There will be Vaults, and while I hope that they aren't the sociology experiments they are in the Fallout universe, it is a possibility. I suggest investing in any company such as Vault-Tec, because when the nuclear scare comes, companies promising protection will explode in popularity. Their mission might even become inadvertently self-fulfilling, because as more people think there will be a nuclear war, people get used to and become less opposed to the idea. So reserve your space in a Vault-Tec Vault today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derkins Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Wel if there were to be a nuclear war we would all be screwed. No matter what we protect our selves in the raidaion will be soaked into the ground for a very long while. Even if you in a vault there is the off chance you will suffer a direct hit from a nuke and there is no way to survive that. Even Chyan mountan wont survive a direct hit. So lets hope nukes are never thrown around.As well as the US had 8 ICBMs per sub wich have 8 or so war heads per ICBM and the Soviet Union has some of the largest ICBMs around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmine Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 If it does, we can all just bend down and kiss our ass goodbye. The world as we know it, and yes I do Mean the whole world would be gone. The world would be fine. Its weathered barrages of comets and metorites with more power than all the weapons humans have ever created. Humanity on the other hand would be dead. A nuclear winter would not be survivable.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihoe Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 "I Don't know what weapons War World 3 Will be fought with, But I Know that World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones..." A Good Sir said it once. "Humanity won't Stop Deploying weapons until he is Wiped out of the Fabric of the universe...". Einstein But then again: Yesterday is Gone, Today is about to be served and Tomorrow Never comes...He he he. :thumbsup: If we think at this matter Seriously, Who the hell cares if there will be a nuclear holocast or Something :sweat: ? If we Start worrying about the Future, We Can never continue in the present time. and russian Guy Preferably must have Bluffed something out of his mouth, and Accidentally it came true, so what? Should we believe everything unusual that We Hear :teehee: ?Humanity will survive anyway, if he Doesn't well... God Might have to Resign. (Not Really Lol.) as God says in holy Qoran He Created this universe Because of man. (Preferably)All I'm worried about today is Israel's Government. There could be another "Holy Defence" But this time defending from israel. Just hope that there isn't another war here in iran. Lets just enjoy our time with our families and Worry about things that are Important. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VengfulSoldier Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Huzzah! What that guy said!But please now more than 2, and you're a responsible parent, we have enough parents that use the media as a baby sitter and then blaming it for stealing their child's sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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