Engine gives up loading regularly.

[rawr22]

I have a lot of mods, as well has large amount of hi res texture/effect replacers. I have a high end machine and have no issues with FPS, stuttering, or loading times, but after 30-60 minutes of play, during area transitions, the game gives up loading new areas. It does not crash or CTD, it will just stop on the loading screen, with the smoke effects still going and I am still able to spin the displayed item. Watching the memory usage shows it seems to unload the old area, but then gives up some time loading the new area.

 

There is no specific area where it does this, and I can't narrow it down to any specific mod. After it happens I can just load my game (it has usually just autosaved so I don't even lose any gameplay) and carry on as normal for another 30-60 mins.

 

I don't think it's anything specific causing it, I think the engine is just stuggling with the large amount of textures/scripts etc.

 

Any tips for improving the stability of the engine in this situation? Any tweaks that improve Skyrim memory usage?

[FeastingCrow]

time to move some of your old saves out of your saves folder, move (or delete) all your older saves out of your saves folder in Documents\My Games\Skyrim\saves\ except the latest one.

 

Your saves are proberly just really big, over 20mb. When you get to 30-40 mb big saves that's when your game really has a bigger chance of freezing and crashing to desktop.

 

A tip for reduceing save files size is typeing pcb in console every time you exit a place in skyrim. And then saveing immeditly after you typed it.

This clears up unneccesary cache memory that only builds up on your save games if you don't do it.

[rawr22]

Thanks for the tip. I do keep many many saves at regular intervals (learnt to do that the hard way). Each individual save for my current char is 15mb after hundreds of hours of play, so I'm not sure that it's a save issue. Having said that the current size of my save folder is 1Gb so I'll try clearing them out and seeing if that helps.

[rawr22]

Clearing out the saves has not made any difference.

[GenRabbit]

I have much of the same problem, altought for me its closer to 5-10 minutes with playing. And very often my save games can't be loaded again as the game freezes. I have 2 monitors so I always watch Taskamanager to see whats happeing and way to often it loads up and then get stuck.

 

Very annoying.

 

my mods and its loadorder is as follows;

PS! I do have UNP installed althought that wont be shown here.

 

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Falskaar.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
AOM.esm
SPIKE.esm
Warehouse.esm
XFLMain.esm
NewStyleEyes.esm
OBlHairFinal.esm
Xvision Children.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
Serana.esp
Supreme Storms.esp
AOM.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
Immersive Patrols Merged.esp
mining extended.esp
sanctuarycleanup.esp
Tytanis.esp
UlfricForFem.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
WetandCold.esp
SkyUI.esp
AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp
ArmoredCircletsQuickFox.esp
AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp
Battledress Armor.esp
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
calyps-razorarmor.esp
UNP Jewelry.esp
Drow Armor Set.esp
EliteRogueArmour.esp
Elven Archer Armor.esp
ElvenWeaponry.esp
GDRangerDress.esp
GDRangerArmor.esp
GDAttire.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.esp
NobleFemaleClothes.esp
R18Pn - Fiona Armor.esp
skyforgedShields.esp
SleekSteel_StandAlone.esp
UniqueBows.esp
UNP Leather Clothes.esp
UNP Boots.esp
UNP Boots 04.esp
UNP Simply Clothes.esp
AgentOfRighteousMight.esp
bhabhilon.esp
DragonmournInn.esp
Jotunheim.esp
missingapprentices.esp
morthalslegacy.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
SolitudeCapitalCity.esp
TheDomain.esp
The Fifth Gate.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
Upgraded Weapons and Armors.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
Wyrmstooth.esp
Civil War Repairs.esp
Civil War Overhaul.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Headtracking.esp
Mannequin_Female_Vyctoria.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
skyforgedWeapons.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
FNISspells.esp
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
Cazy Hairs-by zzjay.esp
LovelyHairstyles.esp
Iridum Eyes NRT.esp
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
LunariRace.esp
OrientalRace.esp
TemptressVixen.esp
3DNPC.esp
XFLDialogue.esp
XFLPlugins.esp
HousecarlWhiterun.esp
improved followers.esp
JessicaAlba.esp
Sneaky_Serana.esp
sneAmbrosine.esp
Miravel.esp
CerwidenCompanion.esp
EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp
EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp
Start As Breton Female.esp
WATER.esp
WATER Plants.esp
WATER DB Waves.esp
Cartographers Map Markers.esp
DLC-ParagonPortalMapMaker.esp
minemapmarkers.esp
SBF All In One - UNP.esp
Tytanis_EngFix.esp
NN_ElvishDresses.esp
LostCanyon.esp
fortwinstad.esp
SuccubusRaceLite.esp
leana.esp
willow.esp
domino.esp
Follower Michelle.esp
LPMoreIngredients.esp
wolves.esp
fey.esp
zzMaidOutfits.esp
myfriendsakura.esp
scholararmor.esp
LinneasCreationBoots.esp
HeddicVolunnar.esp
Sai.esp
CrusaderPriestessOutfitV2MailMantle.esp
UNP Jewelry Variants V3.esp
GDElvenScout.esp
Lilium_Companion.esp
AKLeatherBoots.esp
AKLuxuryBoots.esp
ColorMageArmor.esp
ValericaUNP.esp
Follower ArwynRevised.esp
Rowena.esp
Raven_UNP.esp
grClothing.esp
Northgirl.esp
Xvision Children - Complete.esp
grJenassa.esp
BVFE_Serana.esp
ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp
SkyFalls - Distant Waterfall Overhaul.esp

 

 

Personally I'm starting to believe many of the problems is scripts. But I'm not certain.

[rawr22]

Starting a new game did not solve the issue for me, so I've reinstalled Skyrim and only all the texture/grapics mods I was using previously and seem to not have any issues so far so I guess it's not the engine struggling with the textures and effects as I believed, but the scripts as you suggest.

 

We don't have many mods in common, and the few we do I'm sure are not causing the issues, so I still can't narrow it down. Going to start a new game with fewer mods, enabling them over time. I'll post back if I ever find a solurtion, but it's unlikley as it is intermittent and hard to test.

[FeastingCrow]

My old game with my lvl45 dragonborn had the same issue as you in the end, could only play for 5-10minutes before crashing or freezing, and then eventualy it worsened to the point where I crasht after 15 seconds of runing around or faceing towards markath.

I gave up, deleted everything and reinstalled skyrim, now I have started anew with a select amount of mods that I trust. And I have also educated myself in making sure s#*! doesn't happen again.

[101VRanger]

I have much of the same problem, altought for me its closer to 5-10 minutes with playing. And very often my save games can't be loaded again as the game freezes. I have 2 monitors so I always watch Taskamanager to see whats happeing and way to often it loads up and then get stuck.

 

Very annoying.

 

my mods and its loadorder is as follows;

PS! I do have UNP installed althought that wont be shown here.

 

 

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Falskaar.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

AOM.esm

SPIKE.esm

Warehouse.esm

XFLMain.esm

NewStyleEyes.esm

OBlHairFinal.esm

Xvision Children.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

Serana.esp

Supreme Storms.esp

AOM.esp

Dead Body Collision.esp

Immersive Patrols Merged.esp

mining extended.esp

sanctuarycleanup.esp

Tytanis.esp

UlfricForFem.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

WetandCold.esp

SkyUI.esp

AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

ArmoredCircletsQuickFox.esp

AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp

Battledress Armor.esp

BlackSacramentArmor.esp

calyps-razorarmor.esp

UNP Jewelry.esp

Drow Armor Set.esp

EliteRogueArmour.esp

Elven Archer Armor.esp

ElvenWeaponry.esp

GDRangerDress.esp

GDRangerArmor.esp

GDAttire.esp

LustmordVampireArmor.esp

NobleFemaleClothes.esp

R18Pn - Fiona Armor.esp

skyforgedShields.esp

SleekSteel_StandAlone.esp

UniqueBows.esp

UNP Leather Clothes.esp

UNP Boots.esp

UNP Boots 04.esp

UNP Simply Clothes.esp

AgentOfRighteousMight.esp

bhabhilon.esp

DragonmournInn.esp

Jotunheim.esp

missingapprentices.esp

morthalslegacy.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

When Vampires Attack.esp

SolitudeCapitalCity.esp

TheDomain.esp

The Fifth Gate.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

Upgraded Weapons and Armors.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

Wyrmstooth.esp

Civil War Repairs.esp

Civil War Overhaul.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Headtracking.esp

Mannequin_Female_Vyctoria.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp

skyforgedWeapons.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

FNISspells.esp

DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

Cazy Hairs-by zzjay.esp

LovelyHairstyles.esp

Iridum Eyes NRT.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

LunariRace.esp

OrientalRace.esp

TemptressVixen.esp

3DNPC.esp

XFLDialogue.esp

XFLPlugins.esp

HousecarlWhiterun.esp

improved followers.esp

JessicaAlba.esp

Sneaky_Serana.esp

sneAmbrosine.esp

Miravel.esp

CerwidenCompanion.esp

EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp

EMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.esp

Start As Breton Female.esp

WATER.esp

WATER Plants.esp

WATER DB Waves.esp

Cartographers Map Markers.esp

DLC-ParagonPortalMapMaker.esp

minemapmarkers.esp

SBF All In One - UNP.esp

Tytanis_EngFix.esp

NN_ElvishDresses.esp

LostCanyon.esp

fortwinstad.esp

SuccubusRaceLite.esp

leana.esp

willow.esp

domino.esp

Follower Michelle.esp

LPMoreIngredients.esp

wolves.esp

fey.esp

zzMaidOutfits.esp

myfriendsakura.esp

scholararmor.esp

LinneasCreationBoots.esp

HeddicVolunnar.esp

Sai.esp

CrusaderPriestessOutfitV2MailMantle.esp

UNP Jewelry Variants V3.esp

GDElvenScout.esp

Lilium_Companion.esp

AKLeatherBoots.esp

AKLuxuryBoots.esp

ColorMageArmor.esp

ValericaUNP.esp

Follower ArwynRevised.esp

Rowena.esp

Raven_UNP.esp

grClothing.esp

Northgirl.esp

Xvision Children - Complete.esp

grJenassa.esp

BVFE_Serana.esp

ERSO 30 - Better Enemy AI Dawnguard&Dragonborn.esp

SkyFalls - Distant Waterfall Overhaul.esp

 

 

Personally I'm starting to believe many of the problems is scripts. But I'm not certain.

 

@GenRabbit, rawr22, FeastingCrow and anyone willing to help

 

care to tell me the exact savegame size when you started to CTD when loading your saves?

I was playing pretty good without CTDs till 18800 kb save size and, from then, no matter if I save with or without followers, within interior or exterior areas; I just can't load my last savedgame (even though it "apparently" is saving ok because, when I kill myself right after saving, the save is correctly pulled up).

In this case I'm CTDing when loading, and I'm dealing with infinite loading screens randomly since around 17900 kb in my saves.

 

18800 ... an interesting number 'cause, for my Fallout 3 saves, I started having similar issues from 19000 kb savedgames size ... quite interesting, eh?? a rare coincidence? :tongue:

 

I have 121 mods, 4 GB RAM under Win 7 Ultimate, 1 GB Nvidia GForce GT430 FYI, no texture mods, no ENB, no official DLCs, and my 18800 loading saves issue started with my 67 level character ...

 

here's my load order btw :

 

 

 

More Interactive Items.esm

MarshCatacombs1.esm

LordofElements01.esm

SummerWear.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

LB_MuchAdoSnowElves.esm

Gatti12Jewelry.esp

Gatti3Evilrose.esp

GattiBondage0.esp

Shadow Remover.esp

PrisonerRagsForFemales.esp

Gatti6Branwen.esp

Werehide.esp

Gatti9Reina.esp

Gatti4Satsuki.esp

Gatti13AshesOn.esp

MicroBikini.esp

MicroBikini Topless.esp

Gatti7Siggy.esp

Gatti5Annelotte.esp

Gatti8Irma.esp

Gatti10Risty.esp

hunterarmor.esp

R18PN - Amy Armor Set.esp

GattiBondage1.esp

Field Mage Craftable Armor.esp

R18Pn - Eisen Platte Armor.esp

TS_SlickSuit.esp

SteelMaiden.esp

HeatWavev4.esp

Gatti14Yumiko.esp

Neo's Scouter Set.esp

zzALittleSexyApparelReplacer.esp

NoSpiders - MudcrabSpiders.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

DragonTomb.esp

Saviors Lodge - Player Home.esp

GuardedBorders.esp

Martina.esp

Rowena.esp

Raven_UNP.esp

LunaAeyris.esp

Daniele.esp

R18Pn - Leere Armor.esp

Amiella Outfit.esp

Pushup-Bikini.esp

slaaneshbikini.esp

Frost Giants.esp

Fire Giants.esp

moveitLWT.esp

FNISspells.esp

StopBumpingIntoMe.esp

Path of Shadows.esp

Killable Lootable Children.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

ArrowInTheEverywhere_Low_Longer.esp

Run For Your Lives.esp

AK- Namira for Good Guys.esp

SmallerAtronachs.esp

Lady of Death.esp

Karliah2CBBE3ByNausicaa.esp

Desperado Attire - Light Armor.esp

Mages College Quests.esp

ExtremeMetalSpandex.esp

TS_FetishPantyhoseOutfits.esp

TS_StripperDresses.esp

Sell Stones of Barenziah.esp

Brawl Bugs CE.esp

HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding.esp

T01DegaineLieAboutStatue.esp

WhitewaterFalls.esp

Rainbows.esp

ACE BYOG - Attack Range u25.esp

Headtracking.esp

posesivecorpses.esp

TheChoiceIsYours.esp

Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp

Reaper's Landscape - The Dead Forest.esp

Breezehome Open Windows II.esp

MarshCatacombs2.esp

LordofElements02.esp

LordofElements03.esp

wild werewolves.esp

MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp

Lordan'sRest1_1.esp

AgentOfRighteousMight.esp

TheFrontier.esp

AdalMatar.esp

TheDomain.esp

Fgems Skimpy Armor Set.esp

Angelina Jolie UNP.esp

kuzak-bodyandstockings.esp

DeadManor.esp

Valuungrann.esp

OliviaWilde.esp

DragonmournInn.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

Follower Michelle.esp

PiratesofthePacific.esp

PP_OgmundsTomb.esp

LB_MuchAdoSnowElves_Quest.esp

Wyrmstooth.esp

Hebrock_Der Schatten von Meresis - EV.esp

EncWolves-2hy03size.esp

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp

selobl_Diano.esp

Osare SchoolUniform.esp

Silverlight Armor.esp

BlackLand.esp

SummerWearSA.esp

SexyKunoichi2ndByNausicaa.esp

Gatti2Misogi.esp

CompetitionSwimsuit.esp

abotFiresHurt.esp

RealShelter.esp

Sit Anywhere.esp

WRF_by_RolandSir_TAWUTD.esp

Followers Stop Fighting Each Other.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

I'm starting to think this is a simple matter of RAM availability and video card power 'cause, as I said; when I kill myself after my last save this savedgame is properly loaded at the moment ...

 

and yeah, pcb before saving might help indeed ... :smile:

as well as loading a previous save with an entire "heavy" area -like anywhere in exterior Skyrim- BEFORE loading a save in an interior cell (if you need to exit to Skyrim exterior right after loading) has helped me indeed to avoid certain infinite loading screens FYI ...

 

Hope this helps and hope some of you can help me :thumbsup:

 

P.S. if anyone reading this has been able to finish this messy game with more than 100 mods without major CTDs or annoyances ... PLEASEEEE post your rig specs, sysop and load order if possible right here so I just know which videocard I should be wasting my money in ... seriously ... post it here ... thanks on advance!

Edited August 26, 2013 by 101VRanger