Ctd at exteriors

[bjornthebaker]

I am so done with this. 3-4 moths ago I began new gameplay through. I was getting ctd every time when I was getting near Bleaks Falls Barrow watchtower. I could not solve the issue and give up on playing. Recently, I started again playing, installed the mods and getting the same ctd at the same place. I used coc commands to get in Bleaks Falls Barrow. Good. However, ctd came again at the stairs of High Hrothgar after second pilgrim statue. Every time the game crashed, as I was going up the stairs. I again used coc command to get to 3rd statue crash again. 4th, 5th and 6th also crashed. 7th did not, so I kept playing. Right now ctd happens as I am getting near of Labyrinthian from Whiterun side. The ctd is consistent and repeatable. I use mo2 and loot. I did everything loot said but no avail. I turned off enb, no use. I am so done at this point but for last time, I will ask you if you have any idea.

 

 

#Mod_Priority,#Mod_Status,#Mod_Name

"0000","+","Unmanaged: Bashed Patch, 0"

"0001","+","DLC: HearthFires"

"0002","+","DLC: Dragonborn"

"0003","+","DLC: Dawnguard"

"0004","+","Indistinguishable Billboards for Skyrim SE"

"0005","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch"

"0006","+","Vanilla Script (micro)Optimizations"

"0007","+","FileAccess Interface for Skyrim SE Scripts - FISSES"

"0008","+","High Poly Head SE"

"0009","+","Legacy of the Dragonborn"

"0010","+","Realistic Water Two SE"

"0011","+","Rigmor of Cyrodiil"

"0012","+","Falskaar"

"0013","+","Flower Girls SE and VR"

"0014","+","VIGILANT Voiced - English Addon"

"0015","+","Widget Mod - SSE Port"

"0016","+","moreHUD Inventory Edition"

"0017","+","SkyUI"

"0018","+","Heels Sound 1.5 SSE"

"0019","+","Gemling Queen Jewelry SE"

"0020","+","SG Female Eyebrows"

"0021","+","Circlets or Masks with all Robes and Hoods"

"0022","+","Static Mesh Improvement Mod"

"0023","+","Immersive Sounds - Compendium"

"0024","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"

"0025","+","Enhanced Lights and FX"

"0026","+","ELFX - Exteriors Fixes"

"0027","+","Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes"

"0028","+","KS Hairdos SSE"

"0029","+","UIExtensions"

"0030","+","KS Hairdos - HDT SMP (Physics)"

"0031","+","Immersive Armors"

"0032","+","Total Character Makeover"

"0033","+","The Eyes Of Beauty SSE"

"0034","+","SkyHUD"

"0035","+","A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget"

"0036","+","No Spinning Death Animation SE"

"0037","+","RaceMenu High Heels"

"0038","+","Acquisitive Soul Gems Multithreaded"

"0039","+","moreHUD SE"

"0040","+","RaceMenu"

"0041","+","Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-"

"0042","+","Immersive Weapons"

"0043","+","TK Dodge SE"

"0044","+","360 Movement Behavior SE"

"0045","+","Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim"

"0046","+","JK's Skyrim"

"0047","+","ELFX Fixes"

"0048","+","AI Overhaul SSE"

"0049","+","Cutting Room Floor - SSE"

"0050","+","Rigmor of Bruma"

"0051","+","Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim"

"0052","+","360 Movement Behavior fixes"

"0053","+","Sounds of Skyrim Complete SE"

"0054","+","Economy Overhaul and Speechcraft Improvements"

"0055","+","Immersive World Encounters SE"

"0056","+","Serana Dialogue Add-On"

"0057","+","Immersive Armours - SSE CBBE BodySlide"

"0058","+","Cloaks of Skyrim SSE"

"0059","+","Rich Skyrim Merchants"

"0060","+","Vivid Weathers - Definitive Edition"

"0061","+","JKs Skyrim - AI Overhaul SSE Patch"

"0062","+","PC Head Tracking and Voice Type SE"

"0063","+","Enhanced Blood Textures"

"0064","+","VioLens - A Killmove Mod SE"

"0065","+","Ultimate Combat SE"

"0066","+","Passive Weapon Enchantment Recharging - Enchanted Weapons Recharge Over Time"

"0067","+","Realistic AI Detection SE (better sneaking)"

"0068","+","Legacy of the Dragonborn Patches (Official)"

"0069","+","kryptopyr's Automated Patches"

"0070","+","Skyrim Flora Overhaul SE"

"0071","+","Pauldron"

"0072","+","QUASIPC - Qwinn's Unified Automated Self Installing Patch Compendium"

"0073","+","The Notice Board SE"

"0074","+","The Forgotten City"

"0075","+","Community Overlays 2 (31-50) Bodypaints Warpaints Tattoos and more made for the Community (Special Edition)"

"0076","+","Community Overlays 1 (0-30) Bodypaints Warpaints Tattoos and more made for the Community (Special Edition)"

"0077","+","Female Makeup Suite - Face - RaceMenu Overlays of Eyeliner EyeShadow Contours and Highlights - Special Edition"

"0078","+","Kalilies Brows"

"0079","+","Lamenthia's Marks of Beauty"

"0080","+","iEquip"

"0081","+","AI Overhaul SSE - Official Patch Hub"

"0082","+","Imperious - Races of Skyrim"

"0083","+","Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim"

"0084","+","Complete Alchemy and Cooking Overhaul"

"0085","+","JS Armored Circlets SE"

"0086","+","BodySlide and Outfit Studio"

"0087","+","Address Library for SKSE Plugins"

"0088","+","RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition"

"0089","+","JContainers SE"

"0090","+","HDT-SMP (Skinned Mesh Physics)"

"0091","+","AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer"

"0092","+","Amorous Adventures FG SSE 3.4.1"

"0093","+","CBP Physics"

"0094","+","Dynamic Animation Replacer"

"0095","+","Expressive Facial Animation -Female Edition-"

"0096","+","Better Jumping SE"

"0097","+","Skyrim Revamped - Complete Enemy Overhaul"

"0098","+","powerofthree's Papyrus Extender"

"0099","+","powerofthree's Tweaks"

"0100","+","Skyrim Revamped Rebalanced and Releveled"

"0101","+","Armor and Clothing Extension"

"0102","+","Billboards for version 2.72D"

"0103","-","Skyrim 2020 Parallax by Pfuscher"

"0104","+","Arcanum - A New Age of Magic"

"0105","+","Arcanum - A New Age of Magic 4.0.1 Bugfix"

"0106","+","SSE Engine Fixes (skse64 plugin)"

"0107","+","CBPC - CBP Physics with Collisions"

"0108","+","Expressive Facial Animation -Male Edition-"

"0109","+","Jump Behavior Overhaul SE"

"0110","+","EVG Animation Variance"

"0111","+","Olivier kenjutsu SE v"

"0112","+","Project New Reign - Nemesis Unlimited Behavior Engine"

"0113","+","D13 Faster GET UP STAND UP animation vanilla friendly SSE"

"0114","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended - Fixed Scripts"

"0115","+","Stronger Swimming Animation SE"

"0116","+","HDTSSE Physics High Heels Framework 1 5 97"

"0117","+","Pretty Sit Idle v1.41d"

"0118","+","(SJG) Better Sounding Female Dragon Shouts"

"0119","+","Face Discoloration Fix"

"0120","+","VIGILANT SE"

"0121","+","Vigilant - NPC Overhaul"

"0122","+","NPC AI Process Position Fix - SSE"

"0123","+","PapyrusUtil SE - Modders Scripting Utility Functions"

"0124","+","Spell Perk Item Distributor (SPID)"

"0125","+","Equip Enchantment Fix"

"0126","+","Quick Loot RE"

"0127","+","Experience"

"0128","+","Enemy ®Evolution of Skyrim - EEOS"

"0129","+","Display Enemy Level"

"0130","+","Customizable UI Replacer SkyHUD SE"

"0131","+","Circlet USSEP Fixes"

"0132","+","SkyUI SE - Flashing Savegames Fix"

"0133","+","Bug Fixes SSE"

"0134","+","Weapons Armor Clothing and Clutter Fixes - CBBE Patch"

"0135","+","Project New Reign - Nemesis PCEA"

"0136","+","Ethereal Elven Overhaul patches for SSE"

"0137","+","Myra - Dark Elf - Racemenu Character Preset"

"0138","+","Sylvenus a Hi Poly Dark Elf Racemenu Preset"

"0139","+","Bijin Skin - CBBE"

"0140","+","SmoothCam"

"0141","+","SmoothCam - EasyEase Preset"

"0142","+","[Dint999] BDO Sorceress DahliaOfTheNight SE"

"0143","+","[sSE] H2135's 3-Month Special Outfit CBBE 3BA CBPC-SMP Bodyslide"

"0144","+","DAR - Diverse Random TK Dodge"

"0145","+","ColdSun's Creations Definitive Edition - Pack 1"

"0146","+","Insignificant Object Remover"

"0147","+","[COCO]BDO_Sorceress_CBBE_3BA_SE"

"0148","+","[Dint999] OutfitOfConfessor v1.00 [sE]"

"0149","+","Vanilla Chokers and Earrings [sE]"

"0150","+","Daughters of Dimitrescu Outfit - CBBE 3BA - TBD - BHUNP"

"0151","+","Evelyn - a High Poly Racemenu preset SE"

"0152","+","High polygon armor replacer for CBBE"

"0153","+","Lazy Tools"

"0154","+","The Elder Scrolls Legends - Loading Screens"

"0155","+","TESL Loading Screens - Tweaks and Addons"

"0156","+","Ultimate Dragons SE"

"0157","+","Truly Abosorb Dragon Souls"

"0158","+","Simple Offence Suppression"

"0159","+","Better Combat Escape - SSE"

"0160","+","Simple Dual Sheath"

"0161","+","zxlice's ultimate potion animation - ZUPA"

"0162","+","Sexy Statues Skyrim v2"

"0163","+","Mu Joint Fix (Knee Fix dll edition)"

"0164","+","Suspicious City Guards"

"0165","+","Katarina Armor"

"0166","+","Katarina Armor and Weapon - SSE CBBE BodySlide (with Physics)"

"0167","+","Ranger Armor - SSE CBBE BodySlide (with Physics)"

"0168","+","SmoothCam - Octavian's Preset"

"0169","+","Celtic Music in Skyrim - SE"

"0170","+","Celtic Music In Skyrim SE - Combat"

"0171","+","Celtic Music In Skyrim SE - Dungeon"

"0172","+","DynDOLOD Resources SE"

"0173","+","DynDOLOD - Textures"

"0174","+","DynDOLOD_Output"

"0175","+","Imperious - Races of Skyrim patch"

"0176","+","WACCFMergedPatch"

 

 

 

Edit: So I copy paste my profile in mo2. Disabled all of the mods except ussep. Clicked new game, crash. I disabled ussep, clicked new game crash. I clicked again maybe 4th time to new game and it did not crash. None of my mod are active but same location crashed again. You know after Riverwood after the bridge to Whiterun after you kill the wolf and take a turn left to Bleak Falls Barrow going 20 meter or so, the game crashed at the same place. I don't know at this point. None of my mods are active, I am getting crash at the new game button and if I able to start a new game, still getting crash at the same location.

 

This is something related to windows 10 or my harddrive.

Edited January 23, 2022 by bjornthebaker

[Deleted137074578User]

A guide i owe to at least some people for multiple reasons.

After that i'll just go silent since Online communication has been an exercise in frustration for me.

I guarantee your Game will break many times before you even reach High Hrothgar. A clean re-installation will be required.

I know, you saw the typical 4K video with HDT Clothes in 3rd Person Player Character walking while your Physics bounce and dense Trees.

Such videos use 8GB of VRAM at least to even be able to Stream it.

Don't get Hyped. Don't rush your Installations.

For anyone else reading this, that has at least 4GB of VRAM and game is running lower than 50FPS i guarantee you are doing something wrong.

A bit of Prologue:

Looking at your Hardware from another thread i can tell, your Load Order is your main issue of an unplayable game.

You do run out of Memory. It will CTD again and slow down in performance more as Save Games build.

Script lag or scripts and quests getting stuck due to an unoptimized load order will ruin it more.

I had used a Potato PC (Not Laptop) similar to yours and it was always 55+

I am not surprised so many people even on High End systems manage to CTD their game and play lower than 50fps.

I didn't have a single CTD on any playthrough in Skyrim Special Edition.

Its just usage Error.

I hope your RAM isn't lower than 8GB though

1. Tips:

Don't adapt your Hardware and App Settings to your Mods.

Toasters are inexpensive compared to a GPU, better use a Toaster.

2. ENB:

ENB is not recommended for 2GB Graphics Cards. If you have at least 3GB than sure but you have to stay with 1K-2K texture size Range and don't play in 2K or 4K.

More Details about ENB:

It can run over 50 fps with a good and Light Load Order but you need to choose a very light ENB (One that depends on less Effects to deliver its Colorcrading) and disable most effects while also tweak the INI.

You need to tweak Skyrim INI settings and your Drivers. Even without ENB or even in High End systems its the only way to guarantee an Optimized Game.

Calibrate your Monitor and Driver Graphic settings. This makes huge difference in visual Quality. Do not double effects, its useless for any Hardware. It doesn't matter what app gives you the effect, just choose the best.

Simply choose Performance (ENB allows you to increase Quality within the INI anyway if you want to) and what effect you can get from ENB tick it off in your Skyrim INI and Drivers or choose the least taxing option.

You don't have to tune down your Driver settings on a Global scale. Just for specific Programm (Skyrim). From a technical perspective this is how you should manage any Program (Game).

Don't let the results encourage you on a 2GB GPU.

Adding more Mods later and as Save Games build will eventually cause it to slow down further.

Its not worth it unless you have another 500mb up to 1gb spare because you need alot more room for the Game to ''Breath''

3.0. Individual Mods

3.1. Not Recommended for Low End Systems:

- High Poly Head. (Prefer Expressive Facegen Morphs and Skin/ Body Mod of Choice) You can achieve similar results with more work but less resource cost.

- HDT Hair (Performance Killer even on High End Systems. Skyrim Engine was never designed for this). It needs an alternative .see CBPC Author working on New Project.

- HDT SMP (Same as above. Looks like running well ''its unnoticable'' on High End Systems but from a Technical perspective its still not in a stable state).

- HDT High Heels (Not as worse as above but redundant) RaceMenu High Heels does the same with 0 Impact.

- High Polygon Armor Replacer for CBBE (People always find ways to stress test their Hardware. May as well hit them with a Maul).

- JK's City Mods (Places alot of Objects around and increases Vertices Count that are too much for Low End Systems).

- Skyrim Flora Overhaul (4GB VRAM and Medium End CPU at least required to run it effectively) On heavier load order with ENB maybe even 6GB.

- Skyrim 2020 Parallax (6GB at least Recommended)

- SMIM (Use only UV Fixes and Low Resolution options during Custom Installation on low End Systems)

3.2. Less Script/ Task intensive and Polished Alternatives:

- Amorous Adventures (AA Plus relying on FG Framework, only Safe/ Clean/ Polished version not performing constant Background Tasks that wont cause issues later).

- CBP (Redundant and with many issues) Use only CBPC.

- Ultimate Dragons (Not Safe in regards to CTD issues with Special Dragon Attack Animation) Check Dragon War and others.

- Ultimate Combat (Good but very script intensive and succeeded by modern alternatives) Check Enai and Simon Magus Combat Mods.

 

3.3. Will perform well only with an Optimized Load Order:

 

- ELFX (ELFX Exterios plus ENB with ComplexParticleLights are not recommended especially not on low end systems). Prefer ELE-Relighting Skyrim with Weather Mod of choice.

- AI Overhaul (A Load Order that isn't optimized will have trouble dealing with the tasks that will stack with each other and Script Lag is inevitable and will lead to broken saves).

- Experience (Same as above during Combat and Kill XP or Cell changes and Exploration XP)

- iEquip (Same as above) This is the Best UI Mod ever made btw.

- Enhanced Blood Textures (With Decals Settings On results in lower iframes during Combat. On low end systems especially unoptimized L.O. its noticeable and waste of spare room).

- Enchanted Weapons Recharging over time (Another background task to stack with the rest that will burden the Engine more if L.O is unoptimized).

5. Last tips:

If you address these issues i guarantee on a Clean Save and Clean Installation maximum Playability.

Use BethINI that does so automatically and configure its INI Output so it carries your INI's to your Mod Manager.

Leave always room for more mods and plan so your configuration can be easilly compatible with them in the future.

Most mods we use we don't even need to create an Ultimate and Customizable Gameplay Setup.

Once we manage this we can separate it into Mod Manager Profiles and use any specific Theme Based Mods (For classes and Roleplay) on top of it without any issues.

Have fun modding

Edited January 23, 2022 by Guest

[bjornthebaker]

Thanks for the advice. I turned off Skyrim 2020 Parallax at the start of the new game because of huge performance hit. Other than that, I am sure these advices are valid but I was able to play Skyrim with 220 mods which included AI Overhaul, IEquip with no problem other than low fps which some people can not stand anymore. This CTD issue at certain places started to happen 3 months ago. I mean I have 1500 hours at Skyrim SE with similar load orders. As I said in Edit this ctd at Bleak Falls Barrow happened even I had no mods enabled. Furthermore, I used Nvidia to optimize Skyrim SE, this time ctd did not happen at that location in the profile which has no mod enabled so I immediately returned my moded profile again it did ctd. What is funny enough that when I again return to unmoded profile ctd again happened.

 

At this point, I am having brain seizure about what is causing the issue.

Edited January 23, 2022 by bjornthebaker

[Deleted137074578User]

Well that's the point of running an Optimized L.O for your Hardware.

 

- Papyrus Engine will slow down due to Low Memory

- You will have lower iFrames and this will decrease Processing Speed of Skyrim's Engine.

- The lower it runs the higher the chances of any Script/ Quest (Engine Background Task) to get stuck.

- If something doesn't load correctly and something else requires it (Background processing tasks) its a guaranteed CTD.

- Every issue that persists will stack with multiple other issues leading to broken saves as you play.

 

Its a cycle that can only be overcome by Optimizing L.O for your Hardware.

 

FPS numbers only don't mean anything. A way to test this is to Benchmark Stress Test during Gameplay the various resources used.

I can't remember the Tools Name but there is a Tool that helps you Benchmark Papyrus Engine Load and determine wether its safe or not.

[Deleted137074578User]

As for CTD without Mods after doing many things on the Game and making it unstable you need a clean Save and reinstall.

After you have solved possible Hardware related issues of course.

[bjornthebaker]

I don't know sir. After playing 1500 hours without issue with similar load orders, I just simply don't know and by without issue, I mean some occasional ctds here and there. Maybe it is time to move on Skyrim, I guess.

[Deleted137074578User]

Glad to be of service.

[bjornthebaker]

Well, problem solved. I used SFC /scannow command at cmd to detect and repair corrupt windows files and ctd was gone just like that. I guess Skyrim were using some Windows files and that is why these ctds persistent 3 months ago and now with mods or without mods. Ussually, I format my pc after one year. This time, I was lazy.

 

Edit: Nope, it did not :DDD. After closing one succesfull attempt, ctd is back.

Edited January 23, 2022 by bjornthebaker

[Deleted137074578User]

Well after done my custom tweaks to Mods and L.O finalizing i guess i am off for a long time and ready for my playthrough after a year because i've only modded last months, tested etc.

It means i know from experience what's going on with Load Orders and different Hardware type and i guarantee you'll never manage to play effectively like that.

There will be more CTDs and Save Bloats. I am just trying to help you.

 

Keep an eye on your Laptop and have a fire extinguisher spare just in case. Bye.

[bjornthebaker]

Modwat.ch

Clean install, downgraded afterwards. Right now, I am not getting ctd at the same locations. I repeatedly tried. Could be Dyndolod culprit. There is this navmesh thing I am encountering a lot while searching for ctd at specific locations.

 

Edit: Modwat.ch I installed almost all of my mods. Not experincing single crash as I repeatedly tried. I am afraid of Dyndolod installation though. So I will keep playing like this.

Edited January 25, 2022 by bjornthebaker