cjones74 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 i am former millitary and when i think of the BoS i think of a millitary setting, so my thinking is this: 1, Why is BoS armor corroded, shouldn't it be shiny and well maintained. 2. why is there trash on the floor in the citadel they have been there ten years you think some one would clean it up, i understand the big stuff like the I beams and such, but the small stuff in my opinion should not be there at least from a millitary poin of view. 3. from the storyline the BoS where a group of soldiers that were gaurding a base and deserted there post to seek safety, but they hold some simbiance to a millitary life but not others, just my opinion. what i am asking for is if some modders could try to cleant the BoS up some includding the citadel. would be greatly appercieated and thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 well, i think the rusty armor kinda fits the color scheme of the game :P but i guess other than that ur right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosoulking Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Well when put to a scientific view, You never see any sort of production industry or things around so you must assume they must build everything by hand. Building things by hand has limitations without Optics, advanced chemicals or precision engineering. So the best they can do is repair the equipment they got by using other parts laying around. They can still make stuff such as using the schematics and hunting rifles, they are easy to make without scientific advances. The garbage everywhere I would say will be from the fact these people were raised in these kind of environment. Us today do things how we were taught when raised, we pick up any sort of garbage that we see in our house. In the game these children will do the same, imitate their parents as they get older. If the parents never pick up garbage in there own home then the children will not think anything of it and leave it there. So for # 1 and 2, I think its pretty accurate to what would actually happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate112 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I'm pretty sure cleaning wouldnt be the biggest problem they had :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circuitous Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Issues 1 and 2 stem from Fallout 3's "aesthetic appeal" - rust, corrosion, decay, etc. They weren't like this in Fallout 1 and 2 - everything was clean, well-maintained, etc. It makes a certain sort of sense, but more on that later. Issue 3 stems from the BoS not being a military organization. They're regimented, they have codes, but they basically do whatever the hell they want. It's been 200+ years since any BoS member could be considered U.S. Military. It's also worth noting that the Brotherhood presented in Fo3 isn't even considered Brotherhood anymore. They've basically defected from the main Brotherhood to pursue their own goals and help the people on the Capitol Wasteland. The Outcasts, despite wanting to uphold the goals and ideals of the traditional Brotherhood, have to use whatever they can get their hands on to keep the flame alive, including rusty equipment. With no manufacturing and limited materials, they're lucky to have what rusty armor they do. Basically, the Fallout 3 BoS is a faint glimmer of what once was. It reflects in loose rules, a change in ideals, and shoddy equipment. It isn't fair to view them in today's light. That said, nothing wrong with cleaning them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkingDaemon Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 To rehash what's been said already: On the first point: Despite regular maintenance and upkeep, any item will steadily degrade as it is used, also known as 'Wear and Tear'. Considering that the DC Brotherhood have been in near constant operation against the local super-mutant population for well over a decade in armed warfare, it is reasonable to assume that corners have to be cut, as the situation represented is more of a 'Here and Now' manner of urgency. In effect, the DC Brotherhood no longer has the luxury of properly maintaining their armor as well as they might like because of the war of attrition that is presented by the DC Super-mutants, among all the other threats. Add into this the recruiting from the local populace: individuals who may have their hearts in the right place, but outright lack the dedicated skill that a Brother is raised with, meaning the new recruits from the DC wastes have to learn from scratch what a child born and raised in a Brotherhood fortress learns as they mature. On the second point, which relates to the first point: In situations of constant stress, such as a decade long war of attrition that shows no end in sight, tasks that are either menial or frivolously time consuming may be disregarded in lieu of tasks that are more important, again a very 'Here and Now' mindset brought on by the armed conflict. Once the dust settles, and the end of the game reached by the protagonist, I'd imagine the Brotherhood would have a great deal of time to see to the restoration of proper maintenance and cleaning procedures. The original Brotherhood of steel began out towards California, by the survivors of a secluded military project. More detailed information on the Brotherhood and it's history can be found Here. To note of the Brotherhood forces in the Capitol Wasteland: The primary mission of the Brotherhood as a whole is the collection, preservation and maintenance of any and all advanced technology from before and after the great war. The DC Brotherhood, upon finding the Citadel and discovering the situation in the DC wasteland was directed by their elder, Elder Lyons, to first rid the capitol wastes of the Super-Mutants and THEN continue on with the primary directive of the BoS. When the Elders of the primary BoS organization learned of this, they accepted the decision of Elder Lyons, and still formally recognize him as an elder, however he and his detachment no longer receive aide or reinforcements from the primary BoS installations. The Outcasts of DC were formed shortly after DC Brotherhood was declared independant of the BoS proper, as a number of Brothers strongly disagreed with Elder Lyons' decision. This culminated in a number of Brothers leaving the company of the Citadel, taking with them a great deal of equipment and armaments, presumably as much as every able bodied person could carry without being noticed. Branded 'Outcasts', they now roam the Capitol Wastes in search of advanced technology, paying no mind to the plight of the local populace, while the 10 years that have passed seemed to have made the Outcasts bitter and, if some in game reports and events are to be believed, violent towards their former Brothers, while being openly abrasive towards any locals they might encounter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjones74 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 ok i see where you are coming from saying they have lived this way all ther life, but if that is the case explain gunny, he acts like a DI hard on the troops trying to establish discipline, one of the founding ways they maintain discipline in a normal millitary setting is the emaculate cleaning, it is the basic of basic training. now as for as the armor they has scribes speccially designed to maintain the armor, the are in the citadel/pentagon, i am sure they have maintance equipment avialable to maintain the armor indeffintly. in california where the head BOS is they lived in a emaculate clean area, so that pretex is still there when they left california. now also whne you think of cleaning you are thinking of everyone cleaning at once, in the millitary you have duty shifts generally 5 duty shifts one for each day, there resposibilites is general admin, cleaning, gaurd duty and so on on the day you have duty you have minial chores that you have to do. they also brought architects with them, several of the scribes are architects, they can perform some structural repairs as well. any way i am ranting, i just thought it would be nice in all the dust and desolation to have at least one bright ray of hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkingDaemon Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Unfortunately the counter to your arguments and experience boils down to the fact that the game was made by Bethesda. While this is certainly not a really bad thing, it isn't as good as it could have been and there's a great deal of things that were made mediocre or stripped of their logic in the pursuit of making the fallout franchise console gamer friendly (i.e. insultingly easy) and with themes and such that don't create provocative or challenging thought in equally small minds (for I am of the pc gaming master race, BOW BEFORE ME!). So yea...It's Beth's fault the DC Brotherhood are a bunch of pigs... :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circuitous Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Actually it would've been easier for them to make everything clean in the BoS. All the clutter and trash is added by hand. Besides which, how is a "dirtier" BoS easier to understand for console gamers? Your argument doesn't even make much sense in this context. It's also worth noting that their lab is pretty clean. The actual workspace hasn't suffered all that much from lack of attention (although lack of good supplies is an altogether separate issue). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJexs Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 he doesnt want you guys to lecture him he just wants a simple mod lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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