Zenislev Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Well the topic title is pretty self explanatory, as I approach the next area and the geometry and textures from far away turn to higher resolution my game CTDs... I really don't want to re-install as it takes practically all day to get all my mods up and running again - someone please give me a hint as to what it may be -_-' I'm running 4 gigs of ram on windows xp 32bit, Q9400 (2.66ghz), ATI 4800 512mb. My load order is as follows: Oblivion.esm CM Partners.esm Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm cssBase.esm Toaster Says Share v3.esm DIM Elves Of Lineage II Retex.esm Nec Character Eva-Remake.esm Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp DLCShiveringIsles.esp Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp ChaseCameraMod.esp Portable Campsite.esp Portable Campsite - Quickstart.esp AngelicArmor.esp AW_Wings.esp BlackLuster.esp CapesandCloaks.esp DarkIllusionArmor.esp Hiyoko_Store.esp Nicos Scimitars Side.esp Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp Shdw_Armor pack01.esp Shdw_Armor Set_Sotonhorian.esp SK_Berserk_v0.6.esp RealSwords - Argonian HI-NPC.esp RealSwords - Bosmer HI-NPC.esp RealSwords - Breton HI-NPC.esp RealSwords - Goblin.esp RealSwords - Khajiit HI-NPC v1.3.esp RealSwords - Orc HI_NPC v1.0.esp RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp Babarized KSitems.esp ExnemEC_Rogue01.esp ExnemEC_Warrior01.esp ExnemZorlackArmory.esp tona_simple_dress-armor.esp Robed Panty.esp SchwarzeKatzeArmor.esp Daedric Lord Armor.esp Kylin.esp ExnemRuneskulls.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp OOO-BirthSigns.esp OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp OOO-Magic_Effects+Enchantments.esp OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp OOO-Potions.esp OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp Nightshade_Armor.esp Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp MountainTower.esp Harvest [Flora].esp Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp Bonds Big Portable Tent.esp Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp MidasSpells.esp MidasMagicCompanions.esp Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.esp Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp Get Wet v0.92.esp Soya 4 Hair Pack - English.esp _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp Nec - Extra Mystic Elf Face.esp _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp Ice Elves and Wolf Elves.esp Elves Of Lineage II.esp Toaster Says Share.esp CM Partners.esp cssCalisto.esp cssCernd.esp cssEdwin.esp cssImoen.esp cssIrenicus.esp cssJaheira.esp cssKeldorn.esp cssMazzy.esp cssNalia.esp cssSafana.esp cssSarevok.esp SnowAndHarukoCMPartners.esp Sonia.esp Rhianna.esp Nec-Character_Eva.esp DARaewyn.esp DAJackSparrow.esp Streamline 3.1.esp sexycompanion.esp tona_simple_dress-armor_ver3.esp NinjutsuKama_by_Deux.esp HFB - Imperial Crusader.esp tona_shadow-walker.esp Hentai_Apple.esp HentaiDarkLilith.esp Western Armor.esp AT2 02-Shiki Armor Set.esp ServiceAmulet.esp dragonslayer2-hardesthits.esp MMC_DarkZoe.esp TTB.esp Shdw_weapon pack01.esp Shdw_weapon pack02.esp Nec-Elf_Kaleah.esp Nec Mystic Dark Elf-Remake.esp DeathNote.esp Mizuki_Ninja.esp Infernus Warrior mod All Light Armor.esp Daethic Armor.esp PCSoundInnocent.esp cssJeremiah.esp Nec-Character_Sonnet_Mature.esp Nec Character Eva-Remake.esp Scarves!.esp DAGandalf.esp SexyKunoichi.esp DAKaleah.esp NewHentai_armor.esp Hentai_Lily_Angel'sWing.esp Nec-Character_Karla.esp DANecsKarla.esp HGEC_Draconic_Armor.esp Hentai_AthenaArmour.esp Argent Iron Armor.esp SPB Mercenary Armors.esp Gloria Armor.esp AT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.esp NPR Knight Armor.esp Stylish Jump.esp CM PARTNER NICOLE.esp MHSNfuru.esp MHSNKirin.esp Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp tona_whitesquall-armor_ver2.esp CM PARTNER KITTY SNOW.esp DarkRoseSet.esp LordNerevar'sArmorReplacer.esp tona_casual_&_quiet_muffler_v2.esp Battle China Dress.esp Elwing.esp Black Serenity.esp Hentai_CerenityArmor.esp tona_traveling_items.esp Hentai_Kureha.esp Hentai_CaskerArmor.esp AT2 Nise Anne Aomor.esp SPB Light Armors.esp HGEC Queen Of Nightfall Dress ENG.esp HGEC_SBVelvetRose.esp DFSL_Shaiya.esp Colourwheels Sexy Stock Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp IrohaClothes.esp Colourwheels Sexy Lingerie HGEC.esp CM Partner Nikola.esp CM Tifa.esp YAARM_Iron.esp Romuska Fantasy Store.esp Colourwheels Sexy Tifa.esp colourwheels Sexy FFXI Project.esp Tyrael Armor.esp xeoex.esp Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp CleanQuitAlternative.esp QuietFeet Max.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maigrets Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 One thing I can see which probably isn't the cause of the CTD is you have both Portable campsite esps in your list. Are they both active? The readme says to use only one of them. Deadly Reflex must be last in your list even after the Bashed Patch which you should have but I don't see. Get BOSS to sort your load order and read the instructions carefully regarding Unknown Files. These are mods that haven't made it into the database yet.You have to sort those yourself and make sure Deadly Reflex is at the bottom. BOSS (Better Oblivion Sorting Software)http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516 Get Wyre Bash. Essential tool. You should be using it to create a Bashed Patch when you have OOO in your list. The instructions on how to do this are in OOO's Readme. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368 OBMM (Oblivion Mod Manager) If you're not already using it.http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2097 Have you installed any texture packs? Or mods that alter Distant LOD. Streamline can cause this issue because it changes your graphic settings at every cell change to purge cell buffers. There is an option to disable it. Check Streamline's Readme for that Info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenislev Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 One thing I can see which probably isn't the cause of the CTD is you have both Portable campsite esps in your list. Are they both active? The readme says to use only one of them. Deadly Reflex must be last in your list even after the Bashed Patch which you should have but I don't see. Get BOSS to sort your load order and read the instructions carefully regarding Unknown Files. These are mods that haven't made it into the database yet.You have to sort those yourself and make sure Deadly Reflex is at the bottom. BOSS (Better Oblivion Sorting Software)http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516 Get Wyre Bash. Essential tool. You should be using it to create a Bashed Patch when you have OOO in your list. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368 OBMM (Oblivion Mod Manager) If you're not already using it.http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2097 Is it the LITE version or FULL version of OOO you're using? Other than that I can't see anything that would be likely to cause that kind of CTD. Have you installed any texture packs? Or mods that alter Distant LOD. I've been using both portable campsites for a long time with no problems. I've used BOSS without manually changing the load order myself... deadly reflex being first is a no brainer though right? I DO have wrye bash.... How do I make a "bashed patch"? I am using OBMM I'm using full OOO. And yes I'm using mods that change LOD IN RESPONSE to the CTDs... I thought maybe they'ed help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maigrets Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 You may have had no problems with using both campsite esps together, but the author adds these things to their readme for a reason. If you choose to ignore it then that's up to you. This mod may do no harm, but another may if you don't bother to take notice of the instructions. The text output file from BOSS tells you what to do with the Unknown Files. As I said these are mods that haven't been added to the data base as yet. There are new mods being released every day and the author has 1000's to add to the database in his own free time. Again read the instructions.You are supposed to reorder them manually according to the readme. Deadly Reflex should be at the very bottom of your load order. That's even after the unknown mods list. Are those mods all active? Because I can't see Deadly Reflex HorseCombatMaster.ESM in that list. The game should not even start without it if the esps are checked. Even though horse combat is not currently implemented the ESM is required and according to the readme should be the last ESM in the load order. It's also been mentioned that DR it's not entirely compatible with other mods that alter NPC animations and can cause CTD's. Deadly Reflex is also not being updated any more and there are a number of bugs. This is mentioned by Skycaptain himself in his mod description at Tesnexus.. Which version of OBSE are you using? Wyre Bash Home Page. Everything you need to know.http://wrye.ufrealms.net/Wrye%20Bash.html QUOTED from another source, as is: BASH PATCHES1. Open Bash2 Click on Mods you'll see list of all mods you use.2 . Click on Oblivion.esm (must always be the first esm in your load order)3 Shift+click on your last mod now all your list of mods must turn blue.4. Right-click on this blue field. A list of options will open5 Choose Mark Mergeable and left click on it. Wait until bash finishes the process6 Right click on the still blue field and choose mark Levelers, left click on it.7. Right-Click on Bashed patch find Rebuild Batch, click on it8 A window opens and now starts your selection of tasks for this wonderful program:9 Check Alias Mods10 Check Merge Patches, sub-window will open with all mergeable files bash has found in your order. Check them all (very few exceptions)11 Check Import Graphics, check everything in the sub-window that pops up Do this with all options given by Bash according to your taste: if you want Unlimited Amulets, check the box next to that option, if you want Bow Reach Fix you check the box and so on.When ready with your selection click OK.UNQUOTE Did you change the option in Streamline I mentioned regarding changing cells. I haven't used the mod for some time, but if I remember correctly there should be an item in your Misc section of the inventory. Click it and exit the inventory to customize Streamline. However, Wyre Bash now does many of the functions that Streamline does and is constantly being updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I also see both rens beauty Full and rens beauty hairs only. Again, ren advises only using one, as the hairs are included in the full, get rid of hairs only. At least try running without deadly reflex for testing. I have seen many problems suddenly clear up when it is removed. It is a very complex mod that relies on certain things being where it expects them. When they are there it works great. If not, not so great. By moving it to last it fixes some of these problems. By figuring which mods don't play well with DR, you decide which you want more, DR or the other mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenislev Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 ... Wrye bash screws over my load order!! Anyway I thought horsecombatmaster.esm WAS enabled - turns out it was not. I kept Ren's hairs only on because i faintly remember one companion being bald otherwise - I'll turn that off anyway. I disabled streamline altogether - still finding CTDs. I applied the bashed patches (for some reason it required duke patrick's nosferatu vampires or else it would CTD which I also ended up installing... weird) I set my deadly reflex to the bottom of the load list (that makes them first right?) right next to mayu's animation overhaul which SHOULD make it so npcs use default animations... Still CTDs happen when I run about 10 meters outside or 5 meters in any town, I also notice CTDs sometimes when I click on a location in the world map... sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenislev Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 I noticed my unnoficial Oblivion patches weren't near the bottom of the load list so I changed that. What mods should I be looking for that would be most problematic? Animation changing mods right? But what else? Anyway, my load order looks like this Oblivion.esm CM Partners.esm Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm cssBase.esm Toaster Says Share v3.esm DIM Elves Of Lineage II Retex.esm Nec Character Eva-Remake.esm DLCShiveringIsles.esp Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp ChaseCameraMod.esp Portable Campsite - Quickstart.esp AngelicArmor.esp AW_Wings.esp BlackLuster.esp CapesandCloaks.esp DarkIllusionArmor.esp Hiyoko_Store.esp Nicos Scimitars Side.esp Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp Shdw_Armor pack01.esp Shdw_Armor Set_Sotonhorian.esp SK_Berserk_v0.6.esp Babarized KSitems.esp ExnemEC_Rogue01.esp ExnemEC_Warrior01.esp ExnemZorlackArmory.esp tona_simple_dress-armor.esp Robed Panty.esp SchwarzeKatzeArmor.esp Daedric Lord Armor.esp Kylin.esp Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp OOO-BirthSigns.esp OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp OOO-Magic_Effects+Enchantments.esp OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp OOO-Potions.esp OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp RealSwords - Argonian HI-NPC.esp RealSwords - Bosmer HI-NPC.esp RealSwords - Breton HI-NPC.esp RealSwords - Goblin.esp RealSwords - Khajiit HI-NPC v1.3.esp RealSwords - Orc HI_NPC v1.0.esp RealSwords - Redguard HI-NPC.esp Duke Patricks - Nosferatu Class Vampires.esp KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp Nightshade_Armor.esp Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp MountainTower.esp Harvest [Flora].esp Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp Bonds Big Portable Tent.esp Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp MidasSpells.esp MidasMagicCompanions.esp Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.esp DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp Get Wet v0.92.esp Soya 4 Hair Pack - English.esp Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp Nec - Extra Mystic Elf Face.esp _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp Ice Elves and Wolf Elves.esp Elves Of Lineage II.esp Toaster Says Share.esp CM Partners.esp cssCalisto.esp cssCernd.esp cssEdwin.esp cssImoen.esp cssIrenicus.esp cssJaheira.esp cssKeldorn.esp cssMazzy.esp cssNalia.esp cssSafana.esp cssSarevok.esp SnowAndHarukoCMPartners.esp Sonia.esp Rhianna.esp Nec-Character_Eva.esp DARaewyn.esp sexycompanion.esp tona_simple_dress-armor_ver3.esp NinjutsuKama_by_Deux.esp HFB - Imperial Crusader.esp tona_shadow-walker.esp Hentai_Apple.esp HentaiDarkLilith.esp Western Armor.esp Ashes to Ashes.esp AT2 02-Shiki Armor Set.esp Elwing.esp Black Serenity.esp HGEC Queen Of Nightfall Dress ENG.esp HGEC_SBVelvetRose.esp DFSL_Shaiya.esp Colourwheels Sexy Stock Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp Colourwheels Sexy Lingerie HGEC.esp CM Partner Nikola.esp CM Tifa.esp YAARM_Iron.esp Romuska Fantasy Store.esp Colourwheels Sexy Tifa.esp colourwheels Sexy FFXI Project.esp Tyrael Armor.esp CleanQuitAlternative.esp ServiceAmulet.esp dragonslayer2-hardesthits.esp MMC_DarkZoe.esp TTB.esp Shdw_weapon pack01.esp Shdw_weapon pack02.esp Nec-Elf_Kaleah.esp Nec Mystic Dark Elf-Remake.esp DeathNote.esp Mizuki_Ninja.esp Infernus Warrior mod All Light Armor.esp Daethic Armor.esp PCSoundInnocent.esp cssJeremiah.esp Nec-Character_Sonnet_Mature.esp Nec Character Eva-Remake.esp Scarves!.esp SexyKunoichi.esp DAKaleah.esp NewHentai_armor.esp Hentai_Lily_Angel'sWing.esp Nec-Character_Karla.esp DANecsKarla.esp HGEC_Draconic_Armor.esp Hentai_AthenaArmour.esp Argent Iron Armor.esp SPB Mercenary Armors.esp Gloria Armor.esp AT2 01-Shiki Armor Set.esp NPR Knight Armor.esp Stylish Jump.esp CM PARTNER NICOLE.esp MHSNfuru.esp MHSNKirin.esp Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp tona_whitesquall-armor_ver2.esp CM PARTNER KITTY SNOW.esp DarkRoseSet.esp tona_casual_&_quiet_muffler_v2.esp Battle China Dress.esp Hentai_CerenityArmor.esp Hentai_CaskerArmor.esp Hentai_Kureha.esp AAbuiesdaqun.esp IrohaClothes.esp SPB Light Armors.esp DHuntress.esp DawnWraith.esp BWisteria.esp LittleCarmine.esp ExnemRuneskulls.esp UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp QuietFeet Max.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maigrets Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 The reason Wrye Bash changes your load order is because when you start it for the very first time it asks you if you want to Lock Times. You should say NO. Have you go the latest version. In the screen shot it shows where you can change that manually. Where I've highlighted in the drop down box make sure there is no tick next to Lock Times. Then your load order will be preserved. If you use OBMM and Wrye Bash has Lock Times on it will always change your load order according to the time it shows next to the mod when loaded. This is because Bash also has load order functions but many find OBMM easier to use. Wyre Bash is still essential for other purposes like Bashed Patches which OOO and some of the others you have require. Many of it's functions are for advanced users and most players will never need them. It does have many uses for fixing issues with hair, merging mods, the fog fix, which is one cause of the black screen issue with Nvidia cards, and many more. ESM's always load first no matter where they are, but still must be at the top of the order. The Unofficial Patch should load immediately after the last ESM. BOSS will do that for you. You should be able to see where it is in the screen shot behind the drop down box. I have a heap of others you can't see in my list including Martigen's Monster Mod, Midas Magic, Tamriel Travelers, etc etc. Deadly Relfex at the bottom of the load order will and must load last. The lower a mod is in the list means it loads after the ones ahead of it. This is very important when mods override changes made by other mods. I've never used any of Duke Patrick's mods, but if the game won't start without it there is a master file it relies on missing. Does that mod have an ESM that you haven't got installed. It's sounding more and more like your best option would be to try starting a new game without any mods active. Add them back three or four at a time. If there are no problems, add a few more and so on. Sometimes it's the only and best way to troubleshoot these problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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