Which Military Branch would you rather serve?

[UncleRoe]

@ jaysus

 

I almost exploded in laughter when you accused the CIA of forming a terrorist group..from that one comment alone i can tell you've never served a day in your life against a terrorist group/ i can tell you from personal experience that the CIA did not found any terrorist orginazation. blaming major problems on the united states government is common though,as they do make alot of trouble for themselves.

 

Also..you said there was not an investigation activated for 911.. i dunno where you got your intelligence but they lied to you. months BEFORE 911 even occured there were investigations.. and there are so many things going on behind the curtain that prevent potential terrorist attacks on america every single day. this one happened to slip through our fingers.

 

Lastly,for an engineer you sure ignored an important feature of the fall of the twin towers. your right, the impact of commercial aircraft could not possibly topple the towers,but the burning jet fuel is plenty hot enough to melt the exterior rails,then in a domino effect sent the rails twisting to the ground.

 

 

I also saw that you reffered to the united states government as qoute "your" unqoute government.. guess your not american then?.. you know i have enough trouble trying to explain my own countries ignorrance, 2 at a time hurts the brain.

 

If there is one thing i know from debates like this one, is nobody will change anyones mind.. i am still going to preach the praises of america and your still going to call the american government the bad guy.

 

I'd say that i don't speak from some newspaper. or book,but from personal experience. i even talked to a top intelligence officer on the matter of 911,but those references would not mean anything to you..because those references are american lol

 

Jaysus.. the analogy i gave you earlier was just an analogy. it simply means if we let one country attack us(which they did) and we let them be,they will continue to attack. Sides i've arrested ppl in afghanistan that openly admit to planning and recruiting for 911. these guys were top dog terrorist with bars on their shoulders and medals on their chest and as i recall,none of these medals had a CIA logo on them.

 

Lastly. (and somewhat off topic,this doesn't just go out to you,but any and all who can read) The human race by nature destroys things. so far no nation has lasted forever and all existing nations were formed throughout war..

So if any of you think for one second that in the middle of war,dropping our guns and talking will actually work.. your obviously not from earth lol.

 

Guns don't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl. you take away guns, we kill each other with sharp objects, you take away sharp objects,we kill you with blunt objects etc etc. we are the culmination of a history of violence and death. Even though it may seem wrong to you,Not taking life is actually unnatural.

 

@septim It's cool man. you don't want to get involved in a serious debate focused around government.. who does? i just can't stop though. it's an issue i've had since i was 5 lol. we all know your here for recruiting anyways. i've actually seen this done before. even if it was a boast and you are not intentionally recruiting you have to at least realize that's what your doing lol.. really the debate with me and jaysus doesn't even belong on this thread.

[jaysus]

@tiber

ahh i see it was a bet :P okok gratz on the 100 bucks...

 

i wanna join the CTU tho :D

 

 

@humanbean

the situation is not that different actually... west germany had a bunch of nato armies closeby including nukes and all that crap (lol actually now they want to give us their nukes lol... we dont even want em tho)

east germany had the same...

 

we had a 6mile demil. zone aswell full of mines and guys with a nervous finger, we had enough dead over the period of existance of the gdr who got killed there, nevertheless one day the people had enough and just stormed the thing... (from the commie side i should mention... the democratic west gave a damn more or less)

 

i dont wanna say that your defense plans are pointless but whatever you try (and honestly i really have no idea what all the stuff you have thouht up is... i prolly shouldnt lol but its not hard to think it up if one looks at the strategic map of the country... some subs around the coast, some missiles of different loads and a bunch of underground bunkers full of bloodthirsty dinosaurs with mashineguns mounted to their heads) to do in case of an emerging conflict would not prevent NK from launching some kind of nasty attack which definately couldnt be stopped alltogether, same goes for your side...

 

regarding that waiting for disasters... well dont you think the humble citizens of NK suffered enough yet due to this ill relations, afterall they are more or less your relatives? (i bet you suffered aswell at least as long as you had a semidictator yourself)

 

 

@uncleroe

 

the CIA didnt found a terrorist org. but a guerilla force that is now named terrorists... what do you think the mudjahedin did in afghanistan? it was terrorism... same goes for panama, jamaica, a bunch of african cuntries and a whole lot of other places... al quaida just turned upon their creator unlike those other death teams

 

as an engineer i tell you that its still utterly irrelevant how many jet fuel burned in those towers, apart from the fact that they were build to withstand such tempratures (as does every steel for a given time, thats why steel is superior to many other compound materials in constructions - it slowly dies not at once)

a crush down like they did is impossible without controlling the demolition with expl. charges

a single pen on one of the floors would have made the whole structure topple in some direction but not straight down as it did... and then we have 3 buildings going down like that not one not 2 but 3... an event never witnessed on earth ever before and as i said impossible under our laws of nature

 

i dont want you to believe me if you dont want but i tell you thats this is what you would see as an engineer who has just the slightest idea of statics and directional force

 

you praise america and i badmouth the gov... true... i myself think america is a great country with a great constitution but as i see it even the founders of that country would turn in their graves if theyd see what the gov did in the last century, namely dismanteling the constitution for their personel wealth... just read some of jefferson's comments on the const. to undertsand what im on about here

 

regarding those top dog terrorists you seemingly interrogated or tortured or whatever surely didnt wear cia medals lol... would be hillarious if they did... german snipers dont wear their medals neither out of fear of capture... man im not saying that some of them served in the afghan army but some of them were seemingly us, german, spanish, english, etc aswell... so where are you fighter jets over my head? a bit afraid of a strong enemy arent we?

 

regarding that human nature thing... well history prooves this to be true, but as far as im concerned the ability to judge ones actions and think if a kill is really necessary is one of our god or nature given strengths that distances us from wild animals, that our opinions can easily be influenced by propaganda is our weakness in that regard

 

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if you dont agree with me ok, just see me as the other opinion you might consider if you like

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sorry for this going abit offtopic but that prolly the karma of discussions... they bend and twist

[Tiber Septim]

Hey, guys! Good thing, they allow me to bring a laptop to Camp Pendleton, so i can check on you guys.

 

@Jaysus

Got my 100 bucks in my hand :thumbsup: . I waved it to the Major last night while he was with the other officers. His face turned red and other officer laughed at him. LOLOL!! Then he went crazy! But, this doesn't meant the end of this thread. My Major wants a re-bet and i'm keeping the thread because, i kinda like arguments. well, Uncle roe's right, I hate talkin' about the Government, makes my morale low sometimes.

Well well, you want to join the CTU? Well, none of my business. OFF TOPIC?? No, no it's ok. I like my thread full and crowded.

 

Anyway, what's with the whole "Terrorist and CIA" thing anyway?? I'm too lazy to read sometimes, especially long posts. :pinch:

 

@Uncle Roe

I agree with guns don't kill people. We "Humans" kill people. We could kill each other in anyway, anytime and everywhere.

 

 

I've got good news:

E-7..... I overheard the Major talkin' about promotion back at the Recruit Depot. Well i don't know if its me or not. But if its me, well E-7 here i come.

 

 

Bad news is:

I have to watch new recruits exercise. Which is boring :down: . Well at least i'm not the Drill Sarge :D

 

Anyway, while i brought my laptop. I still can work on my new mod: Here, check it out:

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5653

If you want to help me on my mod, just give me a PM

 

Regards,

Staff Sergeant Tiber Septim

[ed8020]

Wow. I should have dropped back in on this thread a couple days ago. Boy has it gone astray. It’s sounding like something over at Above Top Secret where all the conspiracy theorists hang out. I place I regularly visit to punch holes in the [alleged] logic of the theorists and point out where the “official’ “Truthers” organizations deliberately mislead their flock. Something not reserved to the US government alone. But when you do that they start accusing you of being a “plant”.

God forbid someone is able to objectively examine the available info and sort it out for themselves. And just because 660 architects and engineers sign a petition asking for an impartial investigation (a very reasonable request) does not mean they believe all or any of that crap. That particular organization I have a real problem with as they specifically are deliberately misleading aforementioned flock. I do not need to read the feds report to see the obvious misdirection the A&E are applying.

The feds lie. They do it quite regularly. Almost always to cover up mistakes. The different departments put out conflicting reports. They have a bad habit of not sharing information. Nothing new. But that in no way means that the Bush administration (or any body else for that matter) pulled off the biggest scam ever by blowing up buildings and faking crashes with the precision of the best scripted movie ever in front of thousands of witnesses on the ground and millions on TV.

The feds lied to cover their failures prior to and after 9/11 but what we all watched that day was quite real. Fire away.

 

I love to listen to Euros piss and moan about how we shouldn’t be doing this or that but none of them can offer any answer to what we do now. Many of them want to call our actions illegal but don’t want to even discuss the “legality” of the regimes of the Taliban or Saddam. Nor do they want to consider the bloody mess we would leave behind should we just pull out today. Perhaps we should have stayed out of east Berlin and left them to fend for themselves. It wasn’t our fight. Why should we care? Why should we have risked getting our planes shot down? I’m sure the Russians would have fed them eventually. And it seems to me a few people did die at the hands of their sons while trying to cross that line.

Yes, yes, the world is full of idealists that can sit and point the finger all day long (usually from the comfort of their dorms or parents homes) but when pressed for real answers all they can say is “you shouldn’t have done that”. That’s not an answer with any practical application to the here and now. Maybe next time.

[TheCryptKeeper]

Well, for me, I live in Canada. (Don't bother asking if we say "Eh'" or "Aboot" or ride polar bears. Its pretty obvious we don't :P ) But if I had to serve a branch in the U.S. Military, I'd go into the air force. So I could be in one of the A-130's-gunship-style things. But if I HAD to serve in a Military force, and I could choose any, I'd go 1. SAS 2. Canadian Forces 3. German Forces (Not sure of the name, I'm quite German though, and HK makes some neat guns, in my opinion,) 4. Spetznatz (I'm also Russian) 5. Finnish Forces(Dunno the name.) 6. The Swedish Forces(Dunno the correct name either). Lol. Not in the choices, I know, but thats just my top 6.

[jaysus]

@Ed

 

I love to listen to Euros piss and moan about how we shouldn’t be doing this or that but none of them can offer any answer to what we do now. Many of them want to call our actions illegal but don’t want to even discuss the “legality” of the regimes of the Taliban or Saddam. Nor do they want to consider the bloody mess we would leave behind should we just pull out today. Perhaps we should have stayed out of east Berlin and left them to fend for themselves. It wasn’t our fight. Why should we care? Why should we have risked getting our planes shot down? I’m sure the Russians would have fed them eventually. And it seems to me a few people did die at the hands of their sons while trying to cross that line.

Yes, yes, the world is full of idealists that can sit and point the finger all day long (usually from the comfort of their dorms or parents homes) but when pressed for real answers all they can say is “you shouldn’t have done that”. That’s not an answer with any practical application to the here and now. Maybe next time.

 

the taliban emerged from a civil war which was ignited by the cia over and over again and could have been solved long ago... legal or not? i dunno but they won the war and took over, defiantely due to your support or the ruskies would have blown em to bits...

 

saddam? he was elected and so was his party... seems legal to me... afterall he was funded by the brits so he must have been legit... not?

 

east berlin - you guys never set a foot on east berlin but sold it off to the russians after ww2... then you had trouble with the ruskies partially due to your wannabe planes and we (the civilian people) had to clear that mess... you werent the guys who were threatened by nukes all year round or would become the first victim of a new WW3 (didnt even matter on which side you were)

actually WE risked our lives so that you guys could live in peace... or why did you think after WW2 so much bucks were put into germany and the first thing done was to rebuild the army? so we could be the bloody *ban* cannon fodder for you! so dont tell me that you saints protected our sorry asses...

 

well if you think that the only pratical solution to problems is to bomb the other side to bits then you indeed should be pointed at

 

if you should pull out or not became an oblivious question after you turned the whole place upside down, well who rebuilds it now? us eurotards which didnt even want that war in the first place... at least we pay for it, we the citizens and our taxes... who gains somin? guess who... FED shareholders... the smae that funded the destruction in the first place, the same that control how much you should get for what you work for, the same that can create a financial crisis out of nothing

 

regarding your remarks about 911

- i didnt even know there was a petition lol... and i couldnt give less a damn... im not a citizen of the sytem that once was called "the united states of america" but is by now known to many as the "united slaves of a...put somin here starting with a"

- yes i suffer under its regime but im in no state to change that by any means xcept by talking some reason in some of you...

 

if you dont believe me that the destruction of these buildings was definately forged well then dont, i find it kinda strange tho that you assume im saying that the government did it as i merely mentioned that it didnt do a proper investigation - you must have thought about the gov being responsible yourself then? dont be ashamed its just natural to question somin as important as that...

- my remarks about it being corrupt had other reasons including the FED and the involvement of the FED shareholders in the wars of the last 300yrs (the shareholders existed before the FED)

-nevertheless i still have to see a sketch or somin of an engineer who really is one and not just a FOX news pseudo-specialist who tells us exactly how that magical destruction happened by sheer chance, and no the melting structure theory is plain nonsense even too weak for a hollywood movie - but you can try that out in iraq... just fly some drones in a few skyscraopers and see if just one crumbles like that (mind DRONE... dont want you to hurt you) - expl. charges is the most valid explanation from a scientific point of view and i doubt some desert dwellers thought that up and planned it... wether you gov was involved or not would be job of an investigation to research

 

@Tiber

lol... what are you betting bout now? same still? which part of your forces does electronic recon? and is the cia part of the armed forces too? any military recon agencies similiar to our german MAD?

 

@Crypt

riding polar bears sounds like fun... dont destroy my illusions of a fun life in canada :P

 

air force? F-5 for me... just love that babe

 

regarding those countries youd like to serve in, they all have a bunch of branches just like the us and some are cool whilst other aint... germanies air force for example only has crap planes, the navy on the other hand... uhuhuh and then the spec ops... woho... pity we sold all our secret super tools the americans didnt steal lol...

 

SAS is kinda cool indeed... at least the name... and there are some really interesting movies on youtube bout em... but im doubting their efficency abit

 

canada? you have an army? i thought the ice bears do the job (jking lol)

 

spetznaz: forget it... they might be tough but russia is one of the countries i wouldnt even think of joining an army for... you dont get payed nor laid... you only get beaten up and then wasted in ridiculous counter insurgencies somewhere in siberia

 

finnland: sounds interesting... id go with swedens or norways navy tho if were on about scandinavian armies, they just have totally amazing and beautiful shorelines one could drive around all day long and watch the mooses mate

[Tiber Septim]

@Jaysus

The Same ol' bet, due until next week. I could see that my Major's losing again. LOLOL! Anyway, i'm not the Force Recon Team, if i were, i would still be operating today, well maybe... :wacko:

 

Spetznaz:

I thought Spetznaz is disbanded :ohmy: . They're from the Soviets, right?

 

Air Force:

Nice! :thumbsup: These flyboys helped our platoon from heavy fire! I'll never forget them.

[jaysus]

@tiber

 

i was actually asking myself if you knew somin bout these groups not if you were in em ;)

 

spetznaz - i doubt they were disbanded... russia is basicly the soviet union, they didnt change that much in regards to military and spetznaz simply means if im not totally off now "spec ops" or somin along those lines

[Tiber Septim]

@Jaysus

Recon is done by the Air Force of course. And CIA is not part of the Armed Forces. Unlike the OSS. Shame they got disbanded.

[MajKrAzAm]

@Jaysus

Recon is done by the Air Force of course. And CIA is not part of the Armed Forces. Unlike the OSS. Shame they got disbanded.

I hope it’s not precarious of me to say this, but from what I know the CIA is for the most part an enlarged OSS – except that it has none of the political accountability that goes with it being in the armed forces. It would be a terrible shame not to disband the CIA given its subversion of the rule of law and subordination of democratically accountable politicians. Not to mention its gross ineptitude in any actual intelligence gathering. They overestimated Soviet Strength in its last days and consistently failed to predict the majority of wars in the last century. Given its failures with Iraq and subsequent embarrassment it has become too dismissive over Iran to what would objectively appear as ostensible tacit approval of Iranian nuclear ambitions.