Weird Ice on Water Texture

[nrockwater]

Could someone help me understand whats wrong here?

 

I assume its some sort of conflicting texture here, but SSEdit doesn't show me anything obvious when i search the ice's form ID.

Example: https://imgur.com/a/XIkr7O3

Load order is as follows:

0 0 Skyrim.esm

1 1 Update.esm

2 2 Dawnguard.esm

3 3 HearthFires.esm

4 4 Dragonborn.esm

5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

6 6 ETaC - RESOURCES.esm

7 7 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

8 8 FISS.esp

9 9 ApachiiHair.esm

10 a RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm

11 b Campfire.esm

12 c Falskaar.esm

13 d Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

14 e FlowerGirls SE.esm

15 f Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

16 10 SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp

17 11 NSUTR_bugfixes.esp

18 12 TruBy9.esp

19 13 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp

20 14 3DNPC.esp

21 15 widescreen_skyui_fix.esp

22 16 Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp

23 17 Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

24 18 VioLens SE.esp

25 19 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

26 1a Immersive Weapons.esp

27 1b RLO - Exteriors.esp

28 1c ETaC - Complete.esp

29 1d JKs Skyrim.esp

30 1e AI Overhaul.esp

31 1f Cutting Room Floor.esp

32 20 Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp

33 21 Helgen Reborn.esp

34 22 Dr_Bandolier.esp

35 23 Skyrim Better Roads - The Rift.esp

36 24 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

254 FE 0 3DNPC - CRF Patch.esp

37 25 iHUD.esp

38 26 CBBE.esp

39 27 FNIS.esp

40 28 XPMSE.esp

41 29 SOSRaceMenu.esp

42 2a SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

43 2b SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

44 2c Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp

45 2d MOD - Simply Better Movement Speeds (SSE).esp

254 FE 1 Smilodon-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

254 FE 2 USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp

46 2e Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

47 2f Skyrim Better Roads - EastMarch.esp

48 30 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp

49 31 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

50 32 SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp

254 FE 3 ETaC - Complete_JKs Skyrim_NSUTR_Patch.esp

51 33 Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp

52 34 Run For Your Lives.esp

53 35 Cloaks.esp

54 36 Skyrim Better Roads - Winterhold.esp

55 37 Winterhold Restored.esp

56 38 Winterhold Restored - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp

57 39 Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

58 3a Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp

59 3b Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

60 3c RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp

254 FE 4 ETaC - Complete RLO Patch.esp

254 FE 5 JKs Skyrim - AI Overhaul Patch.esp

61 3d Immersive Patrols II.esp

62 3e Frostfall.esp

63 3f Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

64 40 WetandCold.esp

65 41 Winterhold Restored - NSUTR Patch.esp

66 42 Convenient Horses.esp

254 FE 6 AI Overhaul - Relationship Dialogue Overhaul Patch.esp

254 FE 7 3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp

254 FE 8 ETaC - Complete AI Overhaul Patch.esp

67 43 ForgottenCity.esp

254 FE 9 JKs Skyrim_Cutting Room Floor_Patch.esp

254 FE a No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp

254 FE b AI Overhaul - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp

254 FE c JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp

254 FE d 3DNPC - AI Overhaul Patch.esp

68 44 moonpath.esp

69 45 Ish's Souls to Perks.esp

254 FE e Forgotten City Music Fix.esp

254 FE f OBS_ClosingTime.esp

254 FE 10 HPP - FirewoodSnow Campfire.esp

254 FE 11 HPP - Vaermina's Torpor.esp

70 46 RLO - Effects.esp

71 47 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp

72 48 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp

73 49 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp

74 4a Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

75 4b RLO - Interiors.esp

76 4c RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp

77 4d RLO - CRF Patch.esp

78 4e Open Cities Skyrim.esp

79 4f JKs Skyrim_Open Cities_Patch.esp

254 FE 12 Open Cities - 3DNPC Patch.esp

80 50 RealisticWaterTwo.esp

81 51 RW2RND.esp

254 FE 13 RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp

82 52 SkyUI_SE.esp

Thanks!

[Algabar]

Well, this IS ice (or at least it's supposed to be that). That lake definitely has ice on it.

 

This is most likely a texture. SSEEdit won't help you in this case, because it only shows conflicts between plugin files. Your best bet is to check your texture replacers: If you got a mod for snow / ice, make sure it overwrites other textures. Apart from that, you can only test: Disable texture replacers one by one, until you find the culprit.

[nrockwater]

Well, this IS ice (or at least it's supposed to be that). That lake definitely has ice on it.

 

This is most likely a texture. SSEEdit won't help you in this case, because it only shows conflicts between plugin files. Your best bet is to check your texture replacers: If you got a mod for snow / ice, make sure it overwrites other textures. Apart from that, you can only test: Disable texture replacers one by one, until you find the culprit.

 

Thanks Algabar,

 

Would enabling/disabling textures fry my save file? Really hoping not to lose this character.

Edited May 26, 2022 by nrockwater

[7531Leonidas]

AFAIK, enabling/disabling textures does not cause any problems, aside from getting the infamous purple shade on untextured items/surfaces. Just disable a texture package nearest the bottom of your LO, then load the game. If nothing has changed, quit the game, go back to your mod mgr, re-enable that texture mod, disable the next one up the ladder, rinse and repeat. As long as you do not save while checking, nothing will change permanently. Once you find the culprit, you might (should) be able to disable just the texture(s) by moving them into a folder called 'bad tx' somewhere in the mod folder. If it is Vortex, then you could reset your conflicts to overwrite the specific files, i.e. the one or several in the mod that is causing problems...

 

If the mod author fixes the problem, then just install the mod, overwriting the old.

[Algabar]

In addition to 7531Leonidas: Changing textures and / or meshes during a playthrough is absolutely safe. In fact, you can even save your game while testing. Textures and meshes don't get stored in your save game file. So, nothing to worry about.

 

Just for the record: Uninstalling or changing plugin files is definitely NOT recommended. Missing or altered plugins can indeed screw up your save game.

[nrockwater]

Awesome thanks for the info guys. I'm using NMM ... and im wondering if this could be from RW2 or something similar. At risk of asking the obvious from a google search - How do i tell the difference between a texture mod and a plugin?

[7531Leonidas]

Algabar, thanks for the clarification. I was just trying to talk the OP through a process where they would not have to worry about breaking anything.

[Algabar]

Awesome thanks for the info guys. I'm using NMM ... and im wondering if this could be from RW2 or something similar. At risk of asking the obvious from a google search - How do i tell the difference between a texture mod and a plugin?

"Plugin" means data files (usually in .esp, .esl or .esm format). They go to the Skyrim SE/data folder. Basically, plugins tell the game to change something, add something (e.g. weapons / armor, NPCs or locations) or do something (e.g. start a quest). So, if a mod contains .esp, .esl or .esm files, you have a mod with plugins.

 

Texture and mesh replacers do what their name suggests: They just replace texture or mesh files from the base game with something else. Basically they replace something in the Skyrim SEe/data/textures... or Skyrim SE/data/meshes... folder. The name of the file stays the same. If a mod e.g. replaces a snow texture, it would replace "snow.dds" with another file also named "snow.dds". For this kind of replacement you don't need a plugin file.

 

Regarding NMM: That makes it a bit more difficult. NMM has only basic functionality. This means, if two or more mods replace the same texture or mesh files, the mod installed last will always "win". So, in NMM the order of installation matters. More advanced mod managers like Vortex or MO2 let you choose on a "per file" basis, i.e. you can mix and match between different texture packs.

 

So, it's a bit a game of trial and error with NMM. RW2 probably isn't the culprit. AFAIK, it doesn't contain anything related to ice. I'd rather look at mods that change snow and ice. If you have something like that in your setup, reinstall it. This way, the mod would get installed "last" - and overwrite everything else. Apart from that, you can only test by uninstalling texture replacers one by one and trying different orders of installation...

[nrockwater]

 

Awesome thanks for the info guys. I'm using NMM ... and im wondering if this could be from RW2 or something similar. At risk of asking the obvious from a google search - How do i tell the difference between a texture mod and a plugin?

"Plugin" means data files (usually in .esp, .esl or .esm format). They go to the Skyrim SE/data folder. Basically, plugins tell the game to change something, add something (e.g. weapons / armor, NPCs or locations) or do something (e.g. start a quest). So, if a mod contains .esp, .esl or .esm files, you have a mod with plugins.

 

Texture and mesh replacers do what their name suggests: They just replace texture or mesh files from the base game with something else. Basically they replace something in the Skyrim SEe/data/textures... or Skyrim SE/data/meshes... folder. The name of the file stays the same. If a mod e.g. replaces a snow texture, it would replace "snow.dds" with another file also named "snow.dds". For this kind of replacement you don't need a plugin file.

 

Regarding NMM: That makes it a bit more difficult. NMM has only basic functionality. This means, if two or more mods replace the same texture or mesh files, the mod installed last will always "win". So, in NMM the order of installation matters. More advanced mod managers like Vortex or MO2 let you choose on a "per file" basis, i.e. you can mix and match between different texture packs.

 

So, it's a bit a game of trial and error with NMM. RW2 probably isn't the culprit. AFAIK, it doesn't contain anything related to ice. I'd rather look at mods that change snow and ice. If you have something like that in your setup, reinstall it. This way, the mod would get installed "last" - and overwrite everything else. Apart from that, you can only test by uninstalling texture replacers one by one and trying different orders of installation...

 

 

 

Thanks again for the detailed breakdown. perhaps ill look at switching to Vortex or MO2 sometime in the future. for now i'll try tinkering around a bit!

[nrockwater]

Following up in case someone has this issue. It appears that Skyrim Skyrim 2018 by Pfuscher was the culprit. since i do like most of the textures from this pack i decided to keep it and also added Skyrim Remastered - Glaciers and Ice.

Not a perfect match because the snow color is slightly off, but good enough for me to continue playing :D

 

Pic for anyone who wants to see the comparison: https://imgur.com/a/O4XgaIf