Game crash at Whiterun

[UnjiMost380]

All the times I try to go to Whiterun my game just go down and go to the desktop whitout any advice, I don't know what's the problem I'm playing 1-2 hours whitout any problem but outside Whiterun always crash..

I'm trying to disable some mods, use LOOT and SSEEdit 4.0.4 but nothing, LOOT doesn't say anything about conflicts, I've use SSEEditQuickAutoClean on all LOOT's adivce but nothing change..

My LOOT order is:

 

0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
5 5 ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm
254 FE 0 ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl
254 FE 1 ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl
6 6 ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
7 7 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
RSkyrimChildren.esm
254 FE 2 NewmStrangeDress.esl
254 FE 3 TrueHUD.esl
8 8 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
254 FE 4 ELFX Fixes.esp
254 FE 5 [AMI] Elvenia.esp
254 FE 6 [COCO] CaressofVenus.esp
9 9 RaceMenu.esp
10 a RaceMenuPlugin.esp
254 FE 7 man_molagBalShrine.esp
254 FE 8 ImprovedMalacathSE.esp
11 b ELFX - Weathers.esp
12 c Immersive Music Replacer.esp
254 FE 9 man_PeryiteShrine.esp
DibellaStatuesFixes.esp
254 FE a man_Hircine.esp
254 FE b man_HermaeusMora.esp
254 FE c man_sanguineShrine.esp
254 FE d man_MephalaShrine.esp
254 FE e man_sheogorathShrine.esp
NewStatueOfShalidorMagicLights.esp
13 d C5Kev's Herme Mora Priestess Armor Legenday 3BA.esp
14 e BarbarianPaints.esp
15 f CommunityOverlays3.esp
16 10 CommunityOverlays1_0T30.esp
254 FE f 3BBB.esp
254 FE 10 SOSPhysicsManager.esp
254 FE 11 EVGConditionalIdles.esp
17 11 Joy of Perspective.esp
18 12 Shiva's Vanilla Hair Replacer.esp
19 13 LABikiniSSE.esp
254 FE 12 TrueDirectionalMovement.esp
CBBE.esp
20 14 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
Naked Dibella Priestess - SPID.esp
254 FE 13 RugsNoMore.esp
RSChildren.esp
Topless Skyrim - Ragged Trousers.esp
Topless Skyrim - Tsun's Armor.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
21 15 FNIS.esp
22 16 ImmersiveInteractions.esp
23 17 The Ordinary Women.esp
24 18 Elvenia.esp
25 19 ELFX - Hardcore.esp
254 FE 14 ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp

 

 

And this is my mod list, I've created a Collection for make it easyer to show you, all mods are actived.

https://next.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/collections/n8lpx6/revisions/2

 

Please, I really don't know what i need to do..

 

Little Edit: I've tryed with another savegame, this savegame was inside Whiterun and it works fine INSIDE Whiterun, if I try to go outside game crash again.

Edited June 27, 2022 by UnjiMost380

[7531Leonidas]

Have you checked the integrity of your game files on Steam?

 

Did you clean the game masters? (AFAIK, the current consensus is NOT to)

 

Double-check your IcePenguin map install. That has had problems in the past, look at the mod page to see if anything has come up lately.

 

When disabling mods, did you start a new game to check the game operation? Some information that can break the game is stored in them.

[UnjiMost380]

Checked, still crash (and don't know why but it changes my game lenguage for something, but no problem);

 

I've cleaned all masters with SSEEditQuickAutoClean again after the file check, nothing change,

 

I've tryed to remove it but nothing change again..

 

I didn't restarte a new game tbh.

 

The only message I have is "You have not sorted your load order this session." on LOOT, maybe something on Vortex's rules manager?

 

UPDATE: I've started a fresh new game just for test again after the file check and the masters clean again, game still crash outside Whiterun, I really don't have any ideas, maybe Darkest Nights and Light FX doesn't work togheter? I will try nvm I've already removed it

 

In the TXT file I've copy-past contents from LOOT, I'll put it here anyway buy it's a bit confused to read:

 

 

 

# General Information

## Masterlist Revision

- ID: 5f666cf
- Update Date: 2022-06-27

## Masterlist Prelude Revision

- ID: 6ea3c78
- Update Date: 2022-06-27

## Messages

- Note: [Latest LOOT thread](https://loot.github.io/latest-thread/).
- Note: It appears you have **[Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/3038/)** installed. Remember to run **GenerateFNISforUsers.exe** every time you have installed or uninstalled FNIS, or a FNIS-based mod.
- Note: Your **Skyrim AE** is up-to-date.
- Note: Your **Script Extender ([sKSE AE](https://skse.silverlock.org))** is up-to-date.
- Warning: You have not sorted your load order this session\.



# Skyrim.esm

- Load Order Index: 00
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin



# Update.esm

- Load Order Index: 01
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin
- Group: DLC
- Add Bash Tags: C.Location, C.Regions, C.Water, Delev, Invent.Add, Invent.Change, Keywords



# Dawnguard.esm

- Load Order Index: 02
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin
- Group: DLC
- Add Bash Tags: C.Location, C.Regions, Delev, Invent.Add, Invent.Remove, Relev



# HearthFires.esm

- Load Order Index: 03
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin
- Group: DLC
- Add Bash Tags: C.Location, Invent.Add



# Dragonborn.esm

- Load Order Index: 04
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin
- Group: DLC
- Add Bash Tags: C.Location, Invent.Add, Invent.Remove, Text



# ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm

- Load Order Index: 05
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin, Loads Archive
- Group: Creation Club
- Add Bash Tags: Invent.Add, NPC.DefaultOutfit, ObjectBounds



# ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl

- Load Order Index: FE 000
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin, Light Plugin, Loads Archive
- Group: Creation Club
- Add Bash Tags: Keywords, Text



# ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl

- Load Order Index: FE 001
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin, Light Plugin, Loads Archive
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.4b
- Group: Creation Club



# ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm

- Load Order Index: 06
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin, Loads Archive
- Group: Creation Club
- Add Bash Tags: C.Encounter, C.Location



# Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp

- Version: 4.2.7
- Load Order Index: 07
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin, Loads Archive
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.4b
- Group: Fixes & Resources
- Add Bash Tags: Actors.Voice, R.Description

## Locations

- [unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch (AFK Mods)](https://www.afkmods.com/index.php?/files/file/1888-unofficial-skyrim-special-edition-patch/)
- [unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch (Bethesda.net Mods)](https://bethesda.net/en/mods/skyrim/mod-detail/2947658/)
- [unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch (Nexus Mods)](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/266/)
- [unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch DV](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/65237/)



# RSkyrimChildren.esm

- Version: 1.1.2
- Attributes: Master Plugin
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.3
- Group: Fixes & Resources

## Locations

- [RS Children Overhaul](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2650/)



# NewmStrangeDress.esl

- Load Order Index: FE 002
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin, Light Plugin



# TrueHUD.esl

- Load Order Index: FE 003
- Attributes: Active, Master Plugin, Light Plugin



# EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

- Load Order Index: 08
- Attributes: Active
- Add Bash Tags: C.Climate, C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Water, Graphics, Invent.Remove, ObjectBounds, Stats

## Locations

- [Enhanced Lights and FX](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2424/)



# ELFX Fixes.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 004
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin
- Add Bash Tags: C.Light, C.Water

## Locations

- [Location 1](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/25498/)
- [Enhanced Lights and FX](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2424/)



# [AMI] Elvenia.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 005
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# [COCO] CaressofVenus.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 006
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# RaceMenu.esp

- Load Order Index: 09
- Attributes: Active, Loads Archive
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.3

## Locations

- [RaceMenu Special Edition](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/19080/)



# RaceMenuPlugin.esp

- Load Order Index: 0A
- Attributes: Active
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.3

## Messages

- Note: This plugin is optional.

## Locations

- [Location](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/19080/)



# man_molagBalShrine.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 007
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# ImprovedMalacathSE.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 008
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# ELFX - Weathers.esp

- Load Order Index: 0B
- Attributes: Active
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.3
- Add Bash Tags: Graphics, Sound

## Locations

- [Enhanced Lights and FX](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2424/)



# Immersive Music Replacer.esp

- Version: 5.0.esp
- Load Order Index: 0C
- Attributes: Active
- Add Bash Tags: C.Music

## Locations

- [Location](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/16402/)



# man_PeryiteShrine.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 009
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# DibellaStatuesFixes.esp

- Attributes: Light Plugin

## Locations

- [Location](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/51983/)



# man_Hircine.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 00A
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# man_HermaeusMora.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 00B
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# man_sanguineShrine.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 00C
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# man_MephalaShrine.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 00D
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# man_sheogorathShrine.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 00E
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# NewStatueOfShalidorMagicLights.esp

- Attributes: Light Plugin



# C5Kev's Herme Mora Priestess Armor Legenday 3BA.esp

- Load Order Index: 0D
- Attributes: Active



# BarbarianPaints.esp

- Load Order Index: 0E
- Attributes: Active, Loads Archive



# CommunityOverlays3.esp

- Load Order Index: 0F
- Attributes: Active, Loads Archive



# CommunityOverlays1_0T30.esp

- Load Order Index: 10
- Attributes: Active, Loads Archive



# 3BBB.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 00F
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin

## Locations

- [CBBE 3BA (3BBB)](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30174/)



# SOSPhysicsManager.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 010
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# EVGConditionalIdles.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 011
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# Joy of Perspective.esp

- Load Order Index: 11
- Attributes: Active

## Messages

- Note: [sSEEdit](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/164/) patcher script available here: [Auto Patching - VIS - JOP - Disenchant All - Weightless](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/10959/)

## Locations

- [Location](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/9358/)



# Shiva's Vanilla Hair Replacer.esp

- Load Order Index: 12
- Attributes: Active



# LABikiniSSE.esp

- Load Order Index: 13
- Attributes: Active
- Current Bash Tags: C.ImageSpace, C.Light, Delev, Invent, Relev



# TrueDirectionalMovement.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 012
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# CBBE.esp

- Attributes: Light Plugin
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.3

## Locations

- [Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/198/)



# Naked Dibella Priestess - SPID.esp

- Attributes: Light Plugin, Loads Archive



# RugsNoMore.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 013
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin



# RSChildren.esp

- Version: 1.2.0
- Attributes: Loads Archive

## Locations

- [RS Children Overhaul](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2650/)



# Topless Skyrim - Ragged Trousers.esp

- Attributes: Light Plugin



# Topless Skyrim - Tsun's Armor.esp

- Attributes: Light Plugin



# SOSRaceMenu.esp

- Attributes: Empty



# XPMSE.esp


## Locations

- [XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended - XPMSSE](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1988/)



# FNIS.esp

- Load Order Index: 14
- Attributes: Active



# ImmersiveInteractions.esp

- Load Order Index: 15
- Attributes: Active



# The Ordinary Women.esp

- Load Order Index: 16
- Attributes: Active

## Locations

- [Location](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/12376/)



# Elvenia.esp

- Load Order Index: 17
- Attributes: Active



# icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp

- Load Order Index: 18
- Attributes: Active, Loads Archive
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.3

## Locations

- [A Quality World Map](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5804/)



# ELFX - Hardcore.esp

- Load Order Index: 19
- Attributes: Active
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.3
- Group: Lighting Enhancers
- Add Bash Tags: C.ImageSpace, C.Light, C.Water, Graphics

## Locations

- [Enhanced Lights and FX](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2424/)



# ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp

- Load Order Index: FE 014
- Attributes: Active, Light Plugin
- Verified clean by: SSEEdit v4.0.3
- Add Bash Tags: C.Light, C.Water

## Locations

- [Enhanced Lights and FX](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2424/)

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by UnjiMost380

[Wererommel]

What I did was start a game with a generic Nord character, named X1. There were only about five mods. Then, I added a few and started another with X2. Eventually, I was up to X65, had over 200 mods, and they all worked.

[7531Leonidas]

Are you running both LOOT and Vortex separately? If so, that is a bad idea, especially if 'Autosort Enabled' (the top left button on the 'Plugins' tab) is on in Vortex. Running a standalone LOOT install will mess with the sorting done by Vortex. I know, I used to do both at one time. If you use Vortex, rely on its built-in LOOT sorting, and make sure that the Autosort function is on. Resolve any remaining conflicts (tiny lightning bolts). Get rid of the standalone LOOT.

 

I know that I did NOT clean the game masters in my latest install, because the cleaning caused a problem in the quest leading to the Dragonborn DLC boss battle. If you verify your files, the cleaned masters should be replaced by the 'dirty' originals. In my game, I seem to have had fewer unexplained crashes/lockups or CTD with the original, uncleaned files. Perhaps try to verify the game files again, and try a new game WITHOUT cleaning the masters.

 

The messages on the 'Plugins' tab page will show you a lot about problems, too. You just have to know what the symbols in the 'Flags' column mean.

[UnjiMost380]

Are you running both LOOT and Vortex separately? That is a bad idea, especially if 'Autosort Enabled' (the top left button on the 'Plugins' tab) is on. Running a standalone LOOT install will mess with the sorting done by Vortex. I know, I used to do both at one time. If you use Vortex, rely on its built-in LOOT sorting, and make sure that the Autosort function is on. Resolve any remaining conflicts (tiny lightning bolts). Get rid of the standalone LOOT.

 

I know that I did NOT clean the game masters in my latest install, because the cleaning caused a problem in the quest leading to the Dragonborn DLC boss battle. If you verify your files, the cleaned masters should be replaced by the 'dirty' originals. In my game, I seem to have had fewer unexplained crashes/lockups or CTD with the original, uncleaned files.

 

The messages on the 'Plugins' tab page will show you a lot about problems, too. You just have to know what the symbols in the 'Flags' column mean.

I've removed LOOT and try only with the Vortex's Autosort, I've unistalled separated LOOT also, on Vortex i don't have any error or alert messages, under flags there's only a few "Could be light", this one I don't know what is it honestly.. I don't have any conflict..

 

I've re-cleaned again after the files convalidation but nothing changed, also I've tryed to re-convalidate again files and play whitout clean plugins, just for try all the alternatives, off course nothing change..

 

 

What I did was start a game with a generic Nord character, named X1. There were only about five mods. Then, I added a few and started another with X2. Eventually, I was up to X65, had over 200 mods, and they all worked.

This can be an easy solution, if I can't solve in any other mode I will make it again..

[7531Leonidas]

One last thing, do you have/use SSEEdit? You could try loading checking your entire load order for conflicts. It takes a bit of experience to spot the important conflicts (because it shows EVERY overwrite, except for textures/meshes), but it can be easier than disabling individual mods, then starting over each time.

 

Which version of Skyrim do you have? SE (v.1.5xx), base AE (v. 1.6xx), or the full/paid AE with all the extra CC stuff? You could be crashing because of a mismatch between the game version and the Unofficial patches. The Unofficial Skyrim Creation Club Content Patches ( https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/18975 ) might help if you have the full AE. The latest USSEP has patches included for the four CC mods in the base AE, and nothing more, so if you haven't updated it, you may need to.

 

One more idea, you could try disabling the daedric shrines mods, and start over, could be one of them is conflicting with other stuff near Whiterun. You could check those page(s) to see if anyone has reported problems.

[UnjiMost380]

One last thing, do you have/use SSEEdit? You could try loading checking your entire load order for conflicts. It takes a bit of experience to spot the important conflicts (because it shows EVERY overwrite, except for textures/meshes), but it can be easier than disabling individual mods, then starting over each time.

 

Which version of Skyrim do you have? SE (v.1.5xx), base AE (v. 1.6xx), or the full/paid AE with all the extra CC stuff? You could be crashing because of a mismatch between the game version and the Unofficial patches. The Unofficial Skyrim Creation Club Content Patches ( https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/18975 ) might help if you have the full AE. The latest USSEP has patches included for the four CC mods in the base AE, and nothing more, so if you haven't updated it, you may need to.

 

One more idea, you could try disabling the daedric shrines mods, and start over, could be one of them is conflicting with other stuff near Whiterun. You could check those page(s) to see if anyone has reported problems.

Yep I've already use SSEEdit, I've use it for cleaning plugins.

Skyrim Special Edition 1.6xx whitout the upgrade for CC Stuff.

I've unistall all shrine and statues mods and tryed with the old savegame and a fresh new game but nothing changes, same crash at the same spot.

I've tryed to unistall A quality world map AND all the shrine and statue mods but nothing change again.

This is REALLY annoying, I can't figure out what's the problem is.. I've uploaded my collection with the remeaning mods (now 66, before 89) and also I make a video to show the crash but is usefull I think, there's no errors just shut down the game..

 

https://next.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/collections/n8lpx6/revisions/3

 

https://youtu.be/OOPIzU9zao4

 

I've tryed console comands

- coc WhiterunArcadiasCauldron

- coc BattleBornFarm

- coc ChillfurrowFarmExterior

 

All commands work fine, I can stand inside Whiterun and at the farms but, from Chillfurrow, I can't go to Whiterun because game crash, the problem appear to be only in front of Whiterun from the spot where they beat the giant..

 

Big edit: "C5Kev's Hermaeus Mora Animated Priestess Armor Legendary 3BA" is not for my CBBE body preset, I've removed it, and also I forgot a statue "Edhildils Statues and Effigies" and.. IT WORKS

I mean, that statue was visible from Whiterun BUT c'mon, and all because I FORGOT it. Thanks guys for help me, increidible.

Edited June 29, 2022 by UnjiMost380