Desert Rangers

[dangman4ever]

I never said that all of the Desert Rangers would join the NCR. What I said was: "I could understand maybe one to three Desert Rangers wanting to do their own thing but ten to twenty?"

I do find it quite plausible that not all of them would join the NCR. But I don't find plausible the 10 to 20 Desert Rangers not wanting to join the NCR that DylanF1 said. Like I said, maybe one to three. You do have a point about the tolerance and that I will concede. However, I still think the OP should come up with legit reasons for these Desert Rangers to not want to join the NCR yet still want to operate in NCR territory.

 

 

Well the back story that I was thinking was maybe after that unknown mission a small group of the Desert Rangers came back with the rest of the rangers, and they can just sort of roam the wastes in search for those who prey on the weak. and possibly have a quest for one of them who is pretty much on their death bed,and they want the player, to deliver something for him , and then after he delivers it, he comes back only to find the Desert Ranger murdered, and then you have to find clues to as why he was murdered and who did it.

Still not exactly a solid backstory IMO. Remember that the Ranger Unification Treaty happened in 2277 as a result of the Desert Rangers losing the war against Caesar's Legion. The Desert Rangers joined the NCR in exchange for protection, protection of the Mojave Wasteland, and the Hoover Dam, So you have to explain why these particular Desert Rangers refused to join the NCR at the time of the treaty. In addition, you also have to explains how and why these Desert Rangers have stayed separate in the full decade since that treaty. In addition, an explanation of why the NCR would tolerate the Desert Rangers running around the Mojave where they could potentially interfere with NCR operations. I could understand maybe one to three Desert Rangers wanting to do their own thing but ten to twenty? There's gotta be a really good reason for those ten to twenty to want to not be a part of the NCR yet somehow allowed by the NCR to exist.

 

I think you are not thinking things through.

 

Russel (by Someguy) is a desert ranger who refused to join the NCR. Everyone praised that back story.

 

I think it quite plausible that not all of them would willing switch from one army to another. If Canada merged with the USA due to some external threat which was significant enough to surrender their sovereignty would you expect all Canadian forces to just accept a commission in the the American army? It would be quite normal if some of them were so mad at the USA mocking CFL rules or poaching hockey players, or whatever that they would resign rather then re-sign. Some of them would be tight and still hang out. Given the backdrop of what the Mojave has become it is not unreasonable that some of them would resort to some form of vigilantism. The NCR would not give a rats-fart what these guys did so long as they stayed out of the way. Remember the NCR does not have the manpower to assimilate Nevada and face Cesar. If they don't give enough to hunt down gangs actively opposed to them (Fiends, etc) then how and where would they find the will and men to hunt down some who they share a general philosophy with and have many mutual enemies.
So while the NCR would prefer all citizens of the Mojave to sign up and fight, they would still be very happy that former rangers were active and view them as close to allies.

 

[DylanF1]

yeah, I understand what you mean, well it doesn't really have to be 10-20, as you stated that is just nonsense! Maybe 3-5 Desert Rangers that remain independent and have a quest where the player could possibly join the remaining Desert Rangers and then the player and Rangers roam the wastes hunting down Jackals, Vipers, and Fiends.

[DylanF1]

and as for the new back story for the few Desert Rangers, I was thinking that they did not agree with the way the NCR was gonna do things, so they decided to pretty much go AWOL, and just did things their own way. As for the NCR letting them in their territory, I am pretty certain the NCR would not even care about the Desert Rangers being there, they have bigger and more important things to worry about. The Desert Rangers are not much of a threat

[dangman4ever]

Actually, now that I think about it, one potential reasons for the NCR to not tolerate the rogue Desert Rangers (that's effectively what they are since the majority of the Desert Rangers joined the NCR) is that the Desert Rangers are wearing armor that's very similar to the veteran Ranger armor. The NCR might not like the idea of their best troops being associated with vigilantes or the possibility that said vigilantes might do something that might reflected back onto the NCR rangers.

and as for the new back story for the few Desert Rangers, I was thinking that they did not agree with the way the NCR was gonna do things, so they decided to pretty much go AWOL, and just did things their own way. As for the NCR letting them in their territory, I am pretty certain the NCR would not even care about the Desert Rangers being there, they have bigger and more important things to worry about. The Desert Rangers are not much of a threat

[DylanF1]

Well that's true, but wouldn't they not really care? I mean technically the Desert Rangers are the original ones, and some of the Veteran Rangers were Desert Rangers themselves! They wouldn't mind too much, I wouldn't think. But there could be a quest where the NCR has hired the courier as sort of a hired gun to go deal with the Desert Rangers, but give the option to just lie to the NCR and tell the NCR that the player has wiped them out, when infact they haven't, instead the Desert Rangers could just lay low and roam the wastes at night.

[dangman4ever]

The Ranger Unification Treaty had it so that the NCR absorbed the Desert Rangers. So from that legal standpoint, the Desert Rangers don't technically exist. It's akin to a company A buying out another company B and having a few of company B employees leave. Those employees that left can't be considered "Company B" since Company A now owns Company B.

I think a better idea would be to have it where there were Desert Rangers that refused to leave the Mojave for various reasons (personal, political, strategic, etc) but still wanted to be a part of NCR. Maybe the other now newly labeled Veteran Rangers supported those particular Desert Rangers in their stance. Pressured by the new Veteran Rangers, the NCR would allow a few of those Desert Rangers to be stationed permanently in the Mojave but only if they carried out policing actions like the normal Patrol Rangers as well act as a quick reaction force for any of the Patrol Rangers and outposts. IN addition, their numbers could not exceed 5 at any time to avoid draining Veteran Ranger manpower.

Alternatively, it can be that the NCR has decide to keep a permanant command of Veteran Rangers in the Mojave in order to help acclimate or reacclimate other Veteran Rangers to the Mojave Wasteland. As a sign of respect to their previous organization, the Veteran Rangers asssigned to this command wear the colors of the Desert Rangers.

[DylanF1]

The first idea sounds great! Allowing those Desert Rangers to remain stationed in the Mojave as long as they patrol the waste sounds pretty great! I agree that the number should not exceed 5 for the purpose of the Veteran Rangers not losing members! That sounds actually believable to happen!

[DylanF1]

 

 

dangman4ever

I think a better idea would be to have it where there were Desert Rangers that refused to leave the Mojave for various reasons (personal, political, strategic, etc) but still wanted to be a part of NCR. Maybe the other now newly labeled Veteran Rangers supported those particular Desert Rangers in their stance. Pressured by the new Veteran Rangers, the NCR would allow a few of those Desert Rangers to be stationed permanently in the Mojave but only if they carried out policing actions like the normal Patrol Rangers as well act as a quick reaction force for any of the Patrol Rangers and outposts. IN addition, their numbers could not exceed 5 at any time to avoid draining Veteran Ranger manpower.

I agree to all of that fully! It seems believable! If you or someone else could make a mod like that, I would greatly appreciate it! I have tried working with modding and working in the GECK, but I am not doing very well with that so far.

[DylanF1]

If someone could make a mod like the idea dangman4ever stated it would be greatly appreciated!

[dangman4ever]

Sorry don't have the time or even inclination to do this mod.

If someone could make a mod like the idea dangman4ever stated it would be greatly appreciated!