Textures turning black and Oblivion Siege Engine showing up at random

[Draco856]

Texture Problem: All textures go to a plain black color on objects (weapons, armor, NPCs and the PC). I don't know whats causing it to happen.

 

 

 

Siege Engine Problem: This, I'm completely stumped about. Parts of the siege engine (mostly the front part with the reddish-orange tips) show up at random points. It doesn't have any collision so, I can just walk through it, but it does obstruct my view for the few seconds it's there. It's not a really big game-breaking problem, but it is an extremely annoying one.

[dezdimona]

mods added?

which ones?

load order

[BossDweebe]

There have been a few posts where people say -

It's annoying, but I can live with it. -

Maybe now, but if these "little" problems add up they

will start causing lots of headache. Best to fix it early.

 

So give us some good details.

[Draco856]

I didn't post the load order because it'll be a wall of text. 235 enabled mods, then the ones that are merged into the Bash Patch, but here it is:

 

 

Active Mod Files:

• 00 Oblivion.esm

 

• 01 CM Partners.esm

 

• 02 BoundLightArmorENG.esm

 

• 03 bookplacing.esm [Version 1]

 

• 04 Qarls_Harvest.esm

 

• 05 underdark.esm

 

• 06 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

 

• 07 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

 

• 08 DLCFrostcrag.esp

 

• 09 DLCVileLair.esp

 

• 0A DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

 

• 0B DLCThievesDen.esp

 

• 0C DLCHorseArmor.esp

 

• 0D Knights.esp

 

• 0E DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

 

• 0F DLCOrrery.esp

 

• 10 DLCSpellTomes.esp

 

• 11 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]

 

• 12 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

 

• 13 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

• 14 SI Patch.esp

 

• ++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

 

• ++ ArenaEyeCandyArmor.esp

 

• ++ lustyargonianrequest.esp

 

• ++ M.O.E. - Alternative Script Effect Icon I.esp [Version 1]

 

• ++ M.O.E. - Icons for Mythic Dawn Armour - Fix.esp [Version 1]

 

• ++ M.O.E. - Unlocked Hairstyles.esp [Version 1]

 

• ++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

 

• 15 CM Partners.esp

 

• 16 Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp

 

• 17 Axels_Animal_Mod-8150.esp

 

• 18 Cosmetic Compilation - No NPC Changes.esp

 

• ++ All Armours Playable.esp

 

• 19 Ace's Warlock Gear.esp

 

• 1A Adonnays Ranger Coats.esp

 

• 1B ANBHuntersCoat.esp

 

• 1C Anti-Dragonfire Shield.esp

 

• 1D Better Dragon gear.esp

 

• 1E BETTER_IMPERIAL_DRAGON_ARMOR_WITH_EMPERORS_WEAPONS_v1-10027.esp

 

• 1F Black_Dragon_Armor.esp

 

• 20 CapesandCloaks.esp

 

• 21 Dark Dragon Armor.esp [Version 1.1]

 

• 22 Dark Glass Set.esp

 

• 23 DianoArmor2.esp

 

• 24 dragon armor.esp

 

• 25 Dragon Scale Armor.esp

 

• 26 Dragon_Armor- Ultimate.esp

 

• 27 DragonArmorMod.esp

 

• 28 Dragonbone Armor Set.esp

 

• 29 Dragonbone Cuirass.esp

 

• 2A DragonSkin.esp

 

• ++ IvyArmor_Arena_Hcup.esp

 

• 2B Eternal Dragon Armor.esp

 

• 2C gr Order Playable.esp

 

• 2D HeroofKvatch.esp

 

• ++ M.O.E. - Unlocked Dremora Armour and Robes.esp [Version 1]

 

• ++ M.O.E. - Unlocked Glenroy and Captain Renault Blades Armour.esp [Version 1]

 

• ++ M.O.E. - Unlocked Palace Guard Armour.esp [Version 1]

 

• 2E ImperialArmorMod.esp

 

• 2F JaySusCapesMerged.esp

 

• 30 KDDwemerSpectacles.esp

 

• 31 kikaibookbelts-tail.esp

 

• 32 MidasCloth.esp

 

• 33 NewKvatchArmor.esp

 

• 34 OrderCommanderArmor.esp

 

• 35 other raiments.esp

 

• 36 rangergear2.esp

 

• 37 Savage Assasin Armour.esp

 

• 38 SickleIrons.esp

 

• 39 TheOrdinatorsArmor.esp

 

• 3A Town_Ceremonial_Armor.esp

 

• 3B Underdark Unique Robes.esp

 

• 3C Unique Ebony Sets.esp

 

• 3D UniqueDaedricArmour.esp

 

• 3E 1AlexscorpionSilverDragonKatana.esp

 

• 3F 1BDSword [ENG].esp

 

• 40 AddisUniqueWeaponPack1.esp

 

• 41 Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp

 

• 42 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp

 

• 43 arme - excalibur.esp

 

• 44 Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp

 

• 45 Avo's Tear.esp

 

• 46 BlackDragonNinjato.esp

 

• 47 blacklightsaber.esp

 

• 48 BlackLuster 2SwordStyle.esp

 

• 49 Blade of Zhong Fei.esp

 

• 4A c_dragondagger.esp

 

• 4B Dalls_Oni.esp

 

• 4C Dark_Katana.esp

 

• 4D Divinesword.esp

 

• 4E DMCWeapons.esp

 

• 4F dragblade-flakpak.esp

 

• 50 Dragon Buster.esp

 

• 51 Dragon Sword.esp

 

• 52 DragonBlade.esp

 

• 53 DrangonWeapon&Shield.esp

 

• 54 Hadhafang.esp

 

• 55 JorSaberPack.esp

 

• 56 Lamayo's Dragon Bow.esp

 

• 57 LOTR Weapons.esp

 

• 58 M.O.E. - New Staffs, Blight and Ashstorms.esp [Version 2]

 

• 59 M.O.E. - Playable Scythe.esp [Version 2]

 

• 5A M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp [Version 6]

 

• 5B MasterSwordDX.esp

 

• 5C Mirage_Bronze.esp

 

• 5D Powerful Weapons.esp

 

• 5E rdweaponpack1.esp

 

• 5F Ryudars Armory I - The Silver Order (English).esp

 

• 60 SacredCrystal.esp

 

• 61 Spirit Blade.esp

 

• 62 Sword Of Aeons.esp

 

• 63 swordeternaldeath.esp

 

• 64 Tainted Blades of Order.esp

 

• 65 The Bow of Thorns.esp

 

• 66 The Dragon Bow.esp

 

• 67 TheHolyBlade.esp

 

• 68 UK47 sword.esp

 

• 69 Unenchanted Staffs.esp

 

• 6A Unique Weapons.esp

 

• 6B VA_UniqueKatana1.esp

 

• 6C vinces_unique_weapons.esp

 

• 6D WOTFH_1.3.esp

 

• ++ Angel's Arena Loot en.esp

 

• 6E Wyrmfang.esp

 

• ++ Better Arena Betting Fights.esp

 

• 6F 24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp

 

• 70 autoFloraDEJ_Harvest.esp [Version 0.3]

 

• ++ JewelryEnchantmentFixes.esp

 

• 71 Blademasters Reborn.esp

 

• 72 DEJ_harvest_Clams.esp

 

• 73 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

 

• 74 KvatchCastleMakeover.esp

 

• ++ M.O.E. - Bone Names and Priced Skull.esp [Version 1]

 

• 75 LFox Expensive Arena Gambling.esp

 

• 76 Loot_the_Dead-9946.esp

 

• 77 M.O.E. - Lucien Lachance Rumors Fix.esp [Version 1]

 

• ++ M.O.E. - Undermined Leveled Gameplay - Creature Edition.esp [Version 1]

 

• 78 M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp [Version 7]

 

• 79 M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part Two.esp [Version 2]

 

• 7A M.O.E. - Vampire Players Scarier.esp [Version 2]

 

• ++ No Harvesting Failure-Updated.esp

 

• 7B M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp [Version 1]

 

• 7C Mighty Enchants.esp

 

• 7D Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

 

• 7E Order_Obelisk_Mark.esp

 

• ++ Quest Wait Time Reducer v1.1.esp

 

• 7F PitcherPlantsHarvestable.esp

 

• ++ Sparkling Enchanted Weapons by MiRage.esp

 

• 80 Qarls_Harvest addon.esp

 

• 81 RTSWelkyndClstrTreasure.esp [Version 2.0]

 

• 82 Spell_Eraser-8834.esp

 

• 83 sunk ships.esp

 

• 84 The Throne Of The Emperor.esp

 

• 85 TheArena Fixed.esp

 

• 86 Toggleable Vampirism v 2.2.esp

 

• 87 UnMarkedCaveFix.esp

 

• ++ Book Placement v2.esp [Version 2.0]

 

• 88 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

 

• 89 Console Command Books.esp

 

• 8A dragontorch.esp

 

• 8B Dwemer Weapons and Museum Merged.esp

 

• 8C Fantasy Mod.esp

 

• 8D GoldnSilverBars.esp

 

• 8E M.O.E - Merged.esp

 

• 8F M.O.E. - Realistic Prices, Realistic Weights, No Quest Items.esp [Version 2]

 

• 90 M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp [Version 2]

 

• 91 Qarls_Harvest.esp

 

• 92 Quest Decorations.esp

 

• 93 CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp

 

• 94 Reznod_Mannequin.esp

 

• 95 Shadowcrans Bag&Keychain merger.esp

 

• 96 A Real NudeSpell.esp

 

• 97 AA Spells.esp

 

• 98 Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp

 

• 99 MidasSpells.esp

 

• 9A Pat's SpellpackMod No Ingred.esp

 

• 9B Pilgrim Spells.esp

 

• 9C Resurrect spell.esp

 

• 9D slowfall-3589.esp

 

• 9E Ziggy's - Spellcraft and Enchant Anywhere.esp

 

• 9F Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

 

• A0 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

 

• A1 CM Partners NPC.esp

 

• A2 LG's Unique Enemies.esp

 

• A3 M.O.E. - Playable Dremora and Custom Race Fix.esp [Version 1]

 

• A4 M.O.E. - Vampire Clan Raelu.esp [Version 6]

 

• A5 New fan.esp

 

• A6 PWM_Armoured-UnicornMount.esp [Version 2.0.0]

 

• A7 Rideable Bears.esp

 

• A8 The Black Barge.esp

 

• A9 Zira's Monster Horse.esp

 

• AA Jade_Manor V1.26.esp

 

• AB Nights Mist Manor none COBL.esp

 

• AC PrincessImperialCityApartment.esp

 

• AD Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp

 

• AE swamp home.esp

 

• AF AbandonedHouse.esp

 

• B0 Adult_BookStore.esp

 

• B1 Ancient_Goblin_City-4843.esp

 

• B2 AncientSource.esp

 

• B3 Anvil_Mazecave.esp

 

• B4 Arch_Mage_Trophy_Gallery_v1.00.esp

 

• B5 Arena Expansion.esp

 

• B6 Blackrock_Mountain-4489.esp

 

• B7 championofcyrodiilquarters.esp

 

• B8 EmperorShrine.esp

 

• B9 Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp

 

• BA Kvatch Watch Tower.esp

 

• BB Lair_of_the_Hydra-4490.esp

 

• BC mrSiikas_TheEmperorsTomb.esp

 

• BD mrSiikas_TheEmperorsTomb_ImperialPalace.esp

 

• BE Necropolis of Greywyn Deepscorn v 2.esp

 

• BF Obeliskthrone.esp

 

• C0 Secret Cave!.esp

 

• C1 Shabah.esp

 

• C2 The_Dragon_Citadel-6178.esp

 

• C3 The_Tower_of_the_Lich_King-4492.esp

 

• C4 TheVaultofOrder.esp

 

• C5 TRoN.esp

 

• C6 Underground Assassin 0.6.esp

 

• C7 Unique Dungeons - Lichs Lair.esp

 

• C8 Unique Dungeons - Lost Glory.esp

 

• C9 Vampire Hideaway.esp

 

• CA Vampire_Den-7243.esp

 

• CB VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

 

• CC 300_White Stallion 4.esp

 

• CD Demonhunter.esp

 

• CE Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp

 

• CF Gaenor in Dementia.esp [Version 2]

 

• D0 Quest For The Elements.esp

 

• D1 SoT_TheOrderofNibenay.esp

 

• D2 The Lost Spires.esp

 

• D3 The Siren's Deception.esp

 

• D4 Whispered Warning.esp

 

• D5 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

 

• D6 Tomb of the Unknown Knight.esp

 

• ++ Real Lava 1.3.esp

 

• D7 The Dead Knights.esp

 

• D8 Dk second knight update.esp

 

• D9 Dk offhand weapons.esp

 

• DA Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp

 

• DB Hiyoko_Store.esp

 

• DC VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4]

 

• DD Imperial Empire and City Merged.esp

 

• DE xulAncientYews.esp

 

• DF xulArriusCreek.esp

 

• E0 xulMerged2.esp

 

• E1 Natural Enviroments.esp

 

• E2 NicosMerged.esp

 

• E3 Weapon&ArmorMerged1.esp

 

• E4 xulPatchesMerged.esp

 

• E5 Unofficial Patches Merged.esp

 

• E6 ArmorSetsMerged.esp

 

• E7 HousesMerged.esp

 

• E8 HeartOftheDead.esp

 

• E9 Dragon Claw Sword And Shield.esp

 

• ++ No quest items SI.esp

[Draco856]

Thats about all the details I can give. The textures turn black for about a second then go back to normal, the siege engine shows up through walls and floors randomly, but mostly (or all the time, not sure) when I'm in an interior cell. It also goes away after about a second or two. I can't really recall what my most recent mod install was, but I'm pretty sure they're isolated between "Whispered Warning" and "Heart of the Dead" the ones with "Merged" in their name are my doing, I just merged mods that were either from the same author that worked without conflicts when they were activated with their normal ESPs into one ESP so I could use more mods. The ones that have the ++ next to them are built into the BashedPatch. And Natural Enviroments is my merged version of the Natural Envrioments mods.

[BossDweebe]

The bit about returning to normal is unusual.

I would think that any problem would have to be from a mod that changes something in the Oblivion realm.

With all these mods you obviously would know about turning off the latest, but then

if you haven't been beyond an Oblivion gate for some time that may not be the case.

 

I am wondering about the wisdom of the UOP's being merged. Have they been that way for long ?

I think the UOP's should also be at the top of the list. My UPO is first after the esm's - SI esp -

SI UOP, but if you have had the UOP's way down the list for long then maybe they are OK,

but remember that UOP will be overwriting all that comes before it.

I also thought there was a specific load order for the UL patches. That is to say the patch

should follow the two UL's that it works with.

 

So if the above doesn't help, I will contradict myself a little, and say that as it corrects itself after a few seconds,

then just play on.

[Draco856]

I'll modify the time stamps for the UOP mods. and the UL ones have their masters set. The first one has the patch for Ancient Yews and Arius Creek the second one has only patchs for the 2 (maybe 3) mods I'm using that needed them (Hoarfrost Castle, Order of the Nibenay, maybe 1 or 2 more). But none of them have been there for long. I'd say only about 2 days since I installed/merged them.

[Draco856]

It's fixed now. It was the merged houses plugin I created. The original esp file "Mountain Fortress" was causing it. After removing it everything went back to normal. Thanks for the help. Now I just have to figure out how to remove items from my save game when they can't be removed in-game or by deactivating associated mods.