zappypantz Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I heard it on CNN. Many people in the middle east have through the years, bent Islam to become a Male Dominated religion that is designed to discriminate women. Girls also got beaten by fundamentalists for GOING TO SCHOOL in Afganistan. Some young girls are also sold into marriage, and may be forced into prostitution by their husbands, if they refuse they are beaten. A recent law was also passed in Afganistan legalizing Marital rape and stopping women from going outside without a male relative with them. Women's rights activists have also been beaten and jailed under the administration of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Iranian government CONDONES the actions of these "radicals." And 11 female lawmakers who wanted to change these kinds of restricting laws were also banned from running for office by an ALL MALE Council of Guardians. I'd like to know what's your take on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roquefort Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Sounds like the sort of society that a lot of those in the west who moan on ad nauseum about women's rights and the suffering of white males ground beneath the heel of political correctness would secretly sympathise with :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajKrAzAm Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Your post gives me the impression that you’ve only just heard about this sort of barbarism. Which is the inevitable consequence of fusing Caesar and Faith. The Council of Guardians is essentially a centralized judicial/executive body that has the power to strike down laws and disqualify candidates that are deemed unconstitutional and thus contrary to Islamic dogma. It is appointed by the Supreme Leader and the Iranian judiciary - which ensures that all laws are Islamic. It is a convoluted system of government that attempts to give the impression of democratic rule but is in reality a theocracy, as all the main power is concentrated amongst the senile and physically decaying ayatollahs. Many people in the middle east have through the years, bent Islam to become a Male Dominated religion that is designed to discriminate women.They do not need to manipulate anything, the justifications are laid out in both the Koran and the Hadith, they are intrinsically misogynistic. Sounds like the sort of society that a lot of those in the west who moan on ad nauseum about women's rights and the suffering of white males ground beneath the heel of political correctness would secretly sympathise with :)There is quite a large conceptual distinction between someone who might criticize societal change. And someone who believes that the roles of gender are determined by revealed wisdom. It would probably sound quite patronizing for me to have to explain this to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRoe Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 it's kinda like the ancient mongolians. They by custom look down on all females in their culture. a woman doing anything other than laundry and sexual pleasing would be looked upon as a heritic. it's like this in the middle east,been like that for years and it's not really getting any better. though i remember seeing a few families where the male spouse could care less of his wifes status. not all of them agree with their cultural preferences,but they fear to rebel against them. More than once we would patrol a nuetral town and get nothing but praise from the villagers. the families would treat each other like any average family. no looking down on anyone because they were younger or had a different sex than them. Thing is i remember leaving that town,then coming back weeks later.. by then the town had been visited by terrorist and beaten into fear.. the towns had been completly transformed into the way you heard about things going. no more indiscriminate action. Many of the ppl who had been nice to us before now hated us for even visiting their town. they figured the more we walked in their town,the more visits from terrorist they would get. it's a real sad thing,but the ultimate ingredient to a loyal rule is fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlo Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Where have you been, mate? We're talking about a religion which also thinks it is quite fine to hang 18 year old kids simply for loving the same sex. I really wish we could just eradicate all religion once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysus Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 i just dont get where the connection between stoning someone and religion is... its a traditional custom if you want but has nothing to do with religion at alltho one must admit this kind of law is being pressed in legitimation through religion... and there we have it again: religin = tool to controle the herd... there shall be no religion made by humankind... but since all religions are made by humans, religion itself is blasphemy :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Slyther Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Although I look at everyone as the same, I treat everyone the same way I want to be treated, with respect basically. But this, what the Islams are doing is waaay overboard. And what the hell kind of government decides to treat women's rights to the forms of slavery? I would say the UN should disband extremely offensive countries like this, but it's my opinion basically. Even though, I hope they burn. I will not argue with religion however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusCardiff Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 This isn't about religion, this is about power, cotrol and fear. Some people will use any means at their disposal to try and gain absolute power and then once achieved will use any means to persecute the masses.Whether directly or by influecing others to act for them as a domonstratiion of control through fear.A government doesn't need to display hate if it can get someone to hate for them. My example is written above. To this end there will always be examples made and people singled out for persecution by totalitarian regimes. The level of brutality and the public display of said abuses is just a measure of how much absoluts power a governmet has, The Taliban for example. Most of us are lucky as we rely on other civilized peoples for our economies and wealth so most governments darent go too far.Isolation is all that is needed to drive a state into dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajKrAzAm Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 i just dont get where the connection between stoning someone and religion is... its a traditional custom if you want but has nothing to do with religion at alltho one must admit this kind of law is being pressed in legitimation through religion... You are quite right with your second point. Religion codifies certain cultural practices and gives them divine justification. As a result, these archaic practices will continue on into the twentieth century because someone will be unable to discern that these acts were relative to the time period of the seventh or first century. Instead someone will believe them to be the revelation of a Supreme Being rather than out of date tribal customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilvish Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 thread reported If debates aren't allowed, attacks shouldn't be allowed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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