Crash before Main Menu (caused by Better Cities)

[Tank0123]

I decided to come back to Oblivion after a long hiatus and now it won't load at all. Well, I spent the past six hours fiddling with it, and managed to learn both how to successfully use TES4Edit (which I used to clean a number of my mods) as well as why my bashed patches weren't working.

Anyway, I kept crashing at the loading screen before the Main Menu, so I began narrowing it down. Took me a couple hours (since there were several), but I thought I had the problem solved; two of my mods, Underdark and Black Marsh (both of which were relatively new in my mod list) were the culprits. I don't really care about them. Then I discovered that the crash was also caused by one of my beloved mods, Better Cities; I uninstalled and reinstalled the OMOD, but to no avail. I used BOSS to sort everything, and even had a Bashed Patch made (finally learned how to use it), but I still get crashes with Better Cities on.

I refuse to play Oblivion without Better Cities. Call me spoiled. I don't care. I don't know what the problem is, please help.

Oblivion.esm

TR_OoT_Main.esm

Hammerfell.esm

Cobl Main.esm

TamRes.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm

CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

CURP_Controller.esm

CM Partners.esm

Toaster Says Share v3.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Oblivion Achievements CORE Version.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

UOPS Additional Changes.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Better Cities .esp

TamRes.esp

AmbientTownSounds.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

Enhanced Economy.esp

Crowded Cities 15.esp

Streamline 3.1.esp

CapesandCloaks.esp

Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp

PTArtifacts.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp

OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

Cyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp

Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp

Big Business.esp

Dwemer_Skyship_1_1_0.esp

Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp

Giskards Tales From the Tomb.esp

Mad Mike's Imperial Undercity.esp

JQ-AssassinQuest.esp

Kragenir's Death Quest.esp

KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp

Oblivion Achievements CORE.esp

Oblivion Achievements CM Companions.esp

SanctumSanctorum.esp

Scribe Supplies.esp

SilentStonesCamp.esp

VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp

RTT.esp

Origin of the Mages Guild.esp

Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp

ElsweyrAnequina.esp

ElsweyrCityExtension.esp

Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp

HammerfellBorders.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

Hammerfell-ColovianHighlands patch.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

Tales Elsweyr Anq Bravil Barrowfields Patch.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

xulSnowdale.esp

OOO-Snowdale patch.esp

xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp

OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp

xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp

xulJerallGlacier.esp

OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp

xulTheEasternPeaks.esp

BravilSeaDomes.esp

Fort Akatosh Redux.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Real Lava 1.3.esp

Borderless Cyrodiil-3578.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

Basic Primary Needs.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp

Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp

Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp

CM Partners.esp

TSS Custom Companion Template.esp

Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

CM Partners NPC NE.esp

CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp

CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

bgIntegrationIntegratedEV.esp

Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp

Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp

Better Imperial City - OMG.esp

Better Cities - COBL.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp

OOO-Respawn_Month.esp

DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp

Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp

Bashed Patch.esp

HTBAranmathi - noCOBL.esp

Edit: I think it might be worth noting that when I have OBMM run a conflict report, it's (maybe literally) a mile long, to the point that it would take a full day to read through it all. Maybe I'm just not interpreting it correctly.

Edited November 29, 2013 by Tank0123

[Tank0123]

I'm sure others have had to deal with similar issues, and I would appreciate any and all help.

[olha2]

update your BBC to latest version, post your load order using Wrye Bash

[DrakeTheDragon]

Disregard the OBMM conflict detector. These aren't 'conflicts' in the sense of something causing trouble.

Any 'replacer'-type mod coming with replacement files will cause a 'conflict' with the files it replaces.

But that's "working as intended" and far from anything malicious or dangerous as 'conflict' makes it sound.

 

What's this "Better Cities .esp" up top (The one with the blank before the file extension)? You already have "Better Cities Full.esp", "Better Imperial City.esp" and all the patches further down. I can't even imagine what this mal-named ESP could've been before. Filenames of plugins are critical. Mod interdependency is governed by filename alone. A simple typo in a plugin's filename and your game will crash when another plugin requires it but can't find it.

 

The good thing is, most of the patches are far down, 'after' the files they depend on. The bad thing is, there are a lot of patches for compatibility with mods the abbreviations of which are yet unknown to me and I can't see if those mods even are inside your load order. 'Cause if they aren't, that will kill you.

 

And olha2's right. An export from Wrye Bash will include quite a list of mistakes and errors, if there are such. Missing masters for example can impossibly be missed.