Crime and Punishment

[CrazyGilbert]

obviously not, nobody would there rights of a human being are being violated and tortured but he was joking....I think :/

[Akrid]

I have to agree with Theta. While part of me would like some of the scum in those places to suffer, in the end it's pointless. We'd just be sinking to their level. Just keep em locked up. Being stuck in a concrete monstrosity for 20+ years or even a couple years is hardly pleasant, even if there is TV. tongue.gif

 

And if some can realise what they've done is wrong and actually become normal people, all the better. Just have to be careful the system doesn't get screwed around with and they end up letting re-offenders go (which I get the impression happens much more than it should!).

 

First of all I think prisoners should be seperated much more, most prisons dont help prisoners become better people they take in drug offenders and spit them out as murders, prison life makes people messed up I think. They should not all be made to suffer just for revenge, but some should I think, giving murders what they deserve has been called "sinking to thier level" you sink to thier level in brutality but not in honor.

 

this is my formula;

 

1 = right to live

normal person = 1

murder = 0

 

personA kills personB

1 - 1 = 0

if you kill somone thier right to live is subtracted from yours result;

personA = 0

personB = 1

 

now, personC kills personA

1 - 0 = 1

personA had no right to live so personC maitins his right to live result;

personA = 0

personC = 1

 

this is a very basic exaple that does not account for many varibles but it makes my point that you dont sink to thier level.

[draighox]

personA had no right to live so personC maitins his right to live result;

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment." - Gandalf

[Akrid]

QUOTE

personA had no right to live so personC maitins his right to live result;

 

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment." - Gandalf

 

Ok as wise as that movie quote may be it makes no damn sense to me, sorry.

[draighox]

Ok as wise as that movie quote may be it makes no damn sense to me, sorry.

I was talking about the book.

 

It means that if you can't give life to those, who deserve it, you can't take it away from those, who don't deserve it, especially when you are not absolutely sure they don't deserve it.

[Akrid]

Well somtimes we can give life to those who deserve it through medical science. And with simular tecnology we can tell who may be alive you dosnt deserve to live. The fact is we are getting better and better at investigating crimes as our tecnology becomes more advanced. Its a safe assumtion that one day it will be all but flawless. To want to abolish the death penalty is a like trying to find answers for a past world not ours. Also while I dont doubt thier are wrongly convicted people in jail for death penaltys I want to see a link with some figures by a non biased source. Its hard to carry on a debate with such a lack of information. I can only reason with common sense here.

 

``There is no separation, between being on death row or being held unjustly for the rest of your life,'' he said. ``Prison is death.''

 

I found this on a anti death row site. Wondering if anyone else agrees? It seems to me that if we wrongly convict so many people then perhaps we should not hold people in prision either cause taking 15, 20, 30, 50, or 80 years is a major penalty that can effect ones sanity and even will to live. So as for the much larger majority of prisoners i assume belong in jail, should we let them all go? Or would it make more sense to fix the messed up leagal system? to convict people right, and carry out the convictions accordingly. A massive reform of our leagal system is long overdue, I'll be the first to vouche for that. Perhaps though I can stoop to all of your level now and suggrest the propper plan should be a temporay holding of all executions untill a new more perfect leagal system is intact. Also keep in mind that the reason for so many wrongly convicted people being discovered over the past decade is mainly due to the advances in new research. I belive people are convicted much more accuratly today as far as the evidence factor in murder crimes.