Game Freezes Completely (Alduins Wall quest)

[Iskela1]

I am having an issue with my game where my game freezes completely after doing the platform puzzle and going up the stairs right before the head stone with the blood sacrifice. My save is over 20h in and I haven't experienced any crashes or freezes before.

 

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2 2 Dawnguard.esm
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6 6 ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
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254 FE 2 Lux - Resources.esp
254 FE 3 Lux - Master plugin.esm
254 FE 4 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full ESL Version.esm
8 8 RSkyrimChildren.esm
254 FE 5 Treescale.esm
254 FE 6 Landscape and Water Fixes.esp
9 9 Occ_Skyrim_Tamriel.esp
254 FE 7 Lightened Skyrim - merged.esp
10 a RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
254 FE 8 TrueHUD.esl
254 FE 9 OCPA.esl
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254 FE b 1SilverArmor.esl
11 b DynDOLOD.esm
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254 FE c Particle Patch for ENB.esp
13 d SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
14 e Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
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16 10 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
17 11 dD-Medium Script Range.esp
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19 13 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
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254 FE 11 dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
254 FE 12 AOS_EBT Patch.esp
254 FE 13 aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp
20 14 Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
21 15 Tamriel Master Lights.esp
22 16 Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
23 17 HappyLittleTrees.esp
24 18 Bandit War.esp
25 19 AVExpansion.esp
26 1a Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
27 1b Beards.esp
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254 FE 15 Precision.esp
30 1e Cathedral Weathers.esp
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32 20 Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
33 21 BreezehomeByLupus.esp
34 22 Embers XD.esp
254 FE 17 Landscape and Water Fixes - Patch - LFfGM.esp
35 23 ForcefulTongue.esp
36 24 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
254 FE 18 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
37 25 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
38 26 Immersive Weapons.esp
39 27 Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp
254 FE 19 AcousticTemplateFixes.esp
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40 28 ImmersiveInteractions.esp
41 29 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
254 FE 1e KhajiitHazWares.esp
42 2a HarvestOverhaul_Redone.esp
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44 2c Realistic Haircolors.esp
45 2d FNIS.esp
46 2e XPMSE.esp
254 FE 1f Weapon Styles.esp
47 2f SkyHUD.esp
254 FE 20 scar-adxp-patch.esp
48 30 VioLens SE.esp
49 31 Attack_MCO.esp
50 32 NorthernGrass.esp
254 FE 21 NoGrassias.esp
51 33 Cathedral - 3D Pine Grass.esp
254 FE 22 Northern Cathedral Regional Grass with NoGrassiasExtended.esp
254 FE 23 Northern Cathedral Regional Grass (Merged).esp
254 FE 24 CBBE.esp
52 34 Insignificant Object Remover.esp
254 FE 25 CathedralWeatherMCM.esp
Cathedral Weather Godrays.esp
254 FE 26 Dirt and Blood - Dynamic Visuals.esp
254 FE 27 Sleeping Expanded.esp
53 35 Runandwalkpaces.esp
254 FE 28 ImprovedAlternateConversationCamera.esp
254 FE 29 EVGConditionalIdles.esp
254 FE 2a ImTalkingToYou.esp
54 36 AHZmoreHUD.esp
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254 FE 2c BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
254 FE 2d Bandit Lines Expansion.esp
254 FE 2e DarkElfVoicesForBandits.esp
254 FE 2f Bandit War - Dark Elf Voices.esp
254 FE 30 Vampire Lines Expansion.esp
254 FE 31 Brawl Lines Expansion.esp
254 FE 32 TESL-LoadingScreens.esp
254 FE 33 Chapter II - Soundtrack mod by Dreyma Music.esp
55 37 Bijin Wives.esp
254 FE 34 BetterThirdPersonSelection.esp
56 38 KS Hairdo's.esp
57 39 Manbeast.esp
254 FE 35 DeadlierWerewolfNPCs.esp
254 FE 36 Companions Bloodritual Scene Tweak.esp
58 3a VisualAnimatedEnchants2023.esp
254 FE 37 VAE2-USSEP.esp
254 FE 38 Immersive Weapons_WACCF_Patch.esp
59 3b DIS_Heavy_Legion.esp
60 3c Bijin Warmaidens.esp
61 3d Bijin NPCs.esp
254 FE 39 BeastHHBB.esp
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62 3e WadeInWater.esp
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254 FE 3d WACCF_VanillaProjectiles.esp
254 FE 3e Cinematic Sprint.esp
254 FE 3f Immersive Equipping Animations.esp
254 FE 40 ReadTheRoom.esp
254 FE 41 Use Those Blankets.esp
64 40 CT_AskToShowRoom.esp
254 FE 42 Mundus.esp
254 FE 43 Disable Turn Animation.esp
254 FE 44 AnimatedPotions.esp
254 FE 45 WaitYourTurn.esp
65 41 SmoothCam.esp
254 FE 46 Shadows Of Sunlight - In Small Exterior World Spaces.esp
254 FE 47 1SilverArmor.esp
66 42 PathOfMight.esp
254 FE 48 Embers XD - Patch - TML-Standard.esp
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254 FE 49 KSA_vdk.esp
68 44 DeadlyCombat.esp
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254 FE 52 PA44_ThievesGuild_NPC.esp
254 FE 53 PA44_Windhelm_NPC.esp
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254 FE 55 BeastHHBB - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
254 FE 56 DapperDeliveries_CourierOverhaul.esp
254 FE 57 WICourierRadiant.esp
70 46 RSChildren.esp
254 FE 58 Children of the North.esp
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254 FE 59 Simplicity of Snow.esp
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254 FE 5d Aetherius.esp
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RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
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254 FE 61 BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp
79 4f Lux.esp
254 FE 62 Lux - AOS Cathedral Weathers Compatibility Patch.esp
254 FE 63 Lux - CC Fish patch.esp
254 FE 64 Lux - USSEP patch.esp
254 FE 65 Lux - Immersive Citizens patch.esp
254 FE 66 Lux - Breezehome by Lupus patch.esp
254 FE 67 Lux - Embers XD patch.esp
254 FE 68 Embers XD - Breezehome By Lupus - Lux - Patch.esp
254 FE 69 Lux - Live Another Life patch.esp
254 FE 6a Lux - Saints and Seducers patch.esp
254 FE 6b Lux - SLaWF patch.esp
254 FE 6c Lux - No grass in caves patch.esp
254 FE 6d Lux - RWT Patch.esp
80 50 Atlas Map Markers.esp
81 51 DynDOLOD.esp
254 FE 6e Occlusion.esp
82 52 FWMF for Fantasy Paper Maps.esp

[anjenthedog]

Hmm...

 

While I realize that some, maybe even most repeatable CTDs/freezes are caused by mod contentions, hardware issues, and so forth, some are, imo, caused by glitches that are made persistent by the player's own actions. At least that's been the case for me in over a half of the cases in which I've been faced with it

 

Have you tried loading a save from before you embarked on this quest, well before you encountered the glitch?

 

Often times, I've found that an "un-enterable cell" (ie predictable CTD or screen freeze, etc) has become enterable once I've started from a different direction, so to speak, ie, abandon any progress on that quest (or "local leg" if it's a multi location quest), go do something else for a while, and literally revisit the quest at a later time, even going so far as to take a different path approaching it from somewhere else. In my limited thinking, I consider that pseudo random events in Skyrim can become locked to a set outcome (not random, Ie , "it CTDs every time...") if a save is close to them temporally and or "geographically". Ie a glitch-Broken randomly game/quest NPC/item/other may already be spawned into the game and cast in the savefile(s) you're using when you attempt it again and again and again, one that might not be spawned at a later time, or if another path is taken.

 

ps> Having now just (bitterly) lost over an hour of "points of interest" questing on the Southern periphery of skyrim's borders to a screen freeze glitched after/during a simple movement of my mouse (changing view seems to be a trigger in my game), I have one additional bit of advise.

 

Save and save often.

[Iskela1]

Late reply, but you might be right. I just need to go try do something else and come back for the quest later on.

[anjenthedog]

No guarantees of course. Obviously some mods can cause issues, so I'm not trying to discount the possibility it's something more, just suggesting a "test" of sorts you can use without tearing into your mods list. It's worked for me many times

 

best wishes

[Iskela1]

I tried to go to the same place with older save without having the same quest activated. I might need to try to enter with new character. If it still freezes there has to be a mod which is causing it.

[Iskela1]

I tried a new character and went to the same place in karthspire cave and right after the platform puzzle and going up the stairs intantly the game freezes.

[Iskela1]

I tried a new character and went to the same place in karthspire cave and right after the platform puzzle and going up the stairs intantly the game freezes.

Okay I think I've fixed the problem I disabled all Lux esps/esms etc. and the game doesn't freeze anymore. Now I need to figure out what in the mod is causing it so I can continue playing.

[anjenthedog]

Well, considering that Lux's purpose is to "overhaul skyrim's interior lighting", I'd guess that if you were to open it in SSEdit and look around for references to that location, you might find it. Maybe too many light sources, or a visual effect your video card doesn't like or that spikes your GPU memory (my card is only a 6g 1060...it struggles with serious lighting mods)

[Iskela1]

Okay this is weird the Lux author already confirmed it is not his mod. There might be some issue with the landscape fixes for grass mods. Disabled that mod and the game works now. There were other people with the same issues.

[anjenthedog]

in any case, you fixed it. Compromise seems to be the order of the day with skyrim for most players, myself included.