mase18 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 alright. firstly, id like to do a cheaper build ($1500 - $2000 AUD), but thats A) difficult to do, because then id need to go bad with the graphics card ( the one i have in mind is a Nvidea EVGA Geforce GTX 760 FTW ACX 4GB, which is $409 AUD) or B) next to impossible to do due to how computer parts are priced here in Australia...i also dont know what is compatible with what, im a computer noob. i generally go for whats good, but affordable...why is water cooling not for begginers? is it difficult to work with/ install into a computer case?from what ive heard, read around the net, Nvidea is good for graphics cards, Intel is good for a Motherboard and AMD for CPU? i dont know, but is that true?as i said, im a computer noob, so i dont understand everything about computers. im only used to using prebuilt laptops. bad idea, i know, but im a tiny bit scared of making my own desktop, too. i dont know why, just am...but how can a computer be made for a lot less from the parts?i also have no experience in making own desktops...ive also looked at SSD's, so i can install the OS onto it. would that make it a bit more pricey, or does it depend on the case? if it has SSD mounts already, or has slots to install an SSD mount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMod Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) from what ive heard, read around the net, Nvidea is good for graphics cards, Intel is good for a Motherboard and AMD for CPU? i dont know, but is that true?Not at all. Intel doesn't make motherboards (not any worthwhile ones), AMD and Nvidia are ~match for video cards, and AMD CPU won't fit Intel boards. Water cooling is dangerous because water+electronics=damage. alright. firstly, id like to do a cheaper build ($1500 - $2000 AUD), but thats A) difficult to do, because then id need to go bad with the graphics card ( the one i have in mind is a Nvidea EVGA Geforce GTX 760 FTW ACX 4GB, which is $409 AUD) or B) next to impossible to do due to how computer parts are priced here in Australia...All right, so I'll assume that your budget is 1500-4000 and less is better, and try to make two builds.It will have a much better video card, while at that. The one you mentioned is pretty trashy. Build 1 - about as good as it gets: PC Case Gear - Shared Shopping Cart1 x Intel Core i7 4770 - $349.00ea1 x ASUS Z87-A Motherboard - $199.00ea1 x G.Skill Ripjaws Z F3-2133C11D-16GZL (2x8GB) 16GB DDR3 - $209.00ea1 x Seasonic XP-760 Platinum 760W Power Supply V2 - $239.00ea1 x Crucial M500 480GB SSD - $385.00ea1 x MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB - $819.00ea1 x Antec P280 Black Super Mid Tower - $145.00ea1 x Corsair Hydro Series H100i CPU Cooler - $149.00ea1 x ASUS Xonar DX - $85.00ea1 x Toshiba DT01ACA300 3TB 7200RPM - $139.00eaTotal: $2,718.00 - @pccasegear.com 08/01/2014 This assumes you already have a monitor or TV, speakers, keyboard and mouse, or will pick them to preference. Build 2 - less crazy and more reasonable: PC Case Gear - Shared Shopping Cart1 x Antec P280 Black Super Mid Tower - $145.00ea1 x G.Skill Ares F3-2133C9D-8GAB 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 - $115.01ea1 x ASUS GeForce GTX 780 DirectCU II OC 3GB - $649.00ea1 x Intel Core i5 4670 - $245.00ea1 x ASUS Z87-C Motherboard - $155.00ea1 x Antec Kuhler H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler - $89.00ea1 x Antec EA-550 Platinum Power Supply - $125.00ea1 x Samsung 840 EVO Series 250GB SSD - $189.00ea1 x Toshiba DT01ACA300 3TB 7200RPM - $139.00ea1 x ASUS Xonar DSX - $52.00eaTotal: $1,903.01 - @pccasegear.com 08/01/2014 The 2nd build will come very close to the 1st one, to the point that you're not likely to ever notice. You can mix and match, i.e. arbitrarily put parts from one build into another, it's all compatible. Edited January 7, 2014 by FMod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mase18 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 from what ive heard, read around the net, Nvidea is good for graphics cards, Intel is good for a Motherboard and AMD for CPU? i dont know, but is that true?Not at all. Intel doesn't make motherboards (not any worthwhile ones), AMD and Nvidia are ~match for video cards, and AMD CPU won't fit Intel boards. Water cooling is dangerous because water+electronics=damage. alright. firstly, id like to do a cheaper build ($1500 - $2000 AUD), but thats A) difficult to do, because then id need to go bad with the graphics card ( the one i have in mind is a Nvidea EVGA Geforce GTX 760 FTW ACX 4GB, which is $409 AUD) or B) next to impossible to do due to how computer parts are priced here in Australia...All right, so I'll assume that your budget is 1500-4000 and less is better, and try to make two builds.It will have a much better video card, while at that. The one you mentioned is pretty trashy. Build 1 - about as good as it gets: PC Case Gear - Shared Shopping Cart1 x Intel Core i7 4770 - $349.00ea1 x ASUS Z87-A Motherboard - $199.00ea1 x G.Skill Ripjaws Z F3-2133C11D-16GZL (2x8GB) 16GB DDR3 - $209.00ea1 x Seasonic XP-760 Platinum 760W Power Supply V2 - $239.00ea1 x Crucial M500 480GB SSD - $385.00ea1 x MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB - $819.00ea1 x Antec P280 Black Super Mid Tower - $145.00ea1 x Corsair Hydro Series H100i CPU Cooler - $149.00ea1 x ASUS Xonar DX - $85.00ea1 x Toshiba DT01ACA300 3TB 7200RPM - $139.00eaTotal: $2,718.00 - @pccasegear.com 08/01/2014 This assumes you already have a monitor or TV, speakers, keyboard and mouse, or will pick them to preference. Build 2 - less crazy and more reasonable: PC Case Gear - Shared Shopping Cart1 x Antec P280 Black Super Mid Tower - $145.00ea1 x G.Skill Ares F3-2133C9D-8GAB 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 - $115.01ea1 x ASUS GeForce GTX 780 DirectCU II OC 3GB - $649.00ea1 x Intel Core i5 4670 - $245.00ea1 x ASUS Z87-C Motherboard - $155.00ea1 x Antec Kuhler H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler - $89.00ea1 x Antec EA-550 Platinum Power Supply - $125.00ea1 x Samsung 840 EVO Series 250GB SSD - $189.00ea1 x Toshiba DT01ACA300 3TB 7200RPM - $139.00ea1 x ASUS Xonar DSX - $52.00eaTotal: $1,903.01 - @pccasegear.com 08/01/2014 The 2nd build will come very close to the 1st one, to the point that you're not likely to ever notice. You can mix and match, i.e. arbitrarily put parts from one build into another, it's all compatible. alright, didnt think of doing either of those builds. i do have a moniter in mind: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=558_1092&products_id=25227 speakers in mind is this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=567_569&products_id=15759 keyboard is this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1469&products_id=22913 the mouse, im not sure if i want to get one yet. right now, im using the razer ouroboros mouse, which is good. im on the loookout for mice with buttons on the left side, but cant find any i like, but ive got this in mind: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_1154&products_id=24867 with speakers, would that need a sound card? if so, ive got this in mind: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=211&products_id=22847 the OS is going to be Windows 7 ultimate, but might change that to professianal or home premium, but not sure yet. im also looking at SSD's to install the OS, but not sure if thats a good idea... and i was looking at cases, and found this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1287&products_id=24959 but something is tells me its a bad idea to buy that case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMod Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) So pick one of these or mix and match the parts between the two. I intentionally made sure both would be cross-compatible. Post your final selection once you've decided or ask me any questions. alright, didnt think of doing either of those builds. i do have a moniter in mind: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=558_1092&products_id=25227Hmm... do you want to connect a $2k-$3k PC to a $180 monitor? Remember, when gaming, the monitor is what you'll be looking at. Where will it stand and how limited Is your desk space? If it's not too tight, I'd suggest connecting a high-grade 32" LED TV to it. You'll get much higher picture quality if you pick the right model. speakers in mind is this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=567_569&products_id=15759Junk. Cheap 5.1 adds nothing, even the surround effect loses out to quality 2.0, and you'll get entangled in wires that go everywhere. If it has to be from that store, I'd rather look at these: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=567_602&products_id=11824 The best speakers that store has in stock are these: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=567_895&products_id=18527 Sound cards are already in the builds. Xonar DX has top output quality and Xonar DSX is negligibly less refined, but you'll need real speakers to notice, not plastic junk. Creatives ever since x-fi aren't any good. For cheap speakers like the ones you've picked, a sound card is not needed at all, your motherboard already has one on board. Actually, you only really need a sound card if you go with the last speakers on the list here (Audioengine 5). keyboard is this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1469&products_id=22913 the mouse, im not sure if i want to get one yet. right now, im using the razer ouroboros mouse, which is good. im on the loookout for mice with buttons on the left side, but cant find any i like, but ive got this in mind: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_1154&products_id=24867I Mice and keyboards are personal preference. That said, I think the ones you picked are "all hat, no cattle". There's a lot of bling, but the keyboard will probably be uncomfortable to use and in half a year one of the little plastic clips used for its "modular" system will break off and void the warranty for when it finally breaks down for real. The LCD screen has maybe 1 or 2 games supporting it. The mouse contains obsolete hardware inside. Like 6 years obsolete. It's not even worth looking at. Considering you want gaming models, and probably aren't yet at the point to go mechanical, I'd suggest this keyboard: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_999&products_id=19562 If you REALLY MUST have bling, this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_999&products_id=23433 But for that price you could get a mechanical. For mouse, one of these two is best: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_1236&products_id=20818 http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_1236&products_id=24378 If you want a big fat mouse with a lot of buttons: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_701&products_id=21066 But it won't be as comfortable in shooters; these are for slow MMO and strategy games. the OS is going to be Windows 7 ultimate, but might change that to professianal or home premium, but not sure yet. im also looking at SSD's to install the OS, but not sure if thats a good idea... There's nothing ultimate about Win 7 Ultimate. Unless you need to change its language (why?), Windows 7 Home Premium is the exact same thing. The only missing features are relevant to corporate networks, not to home use. and i was looking at cases, and found this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1287&products_id=24959 but something is tells me its a bad idea to buy that case... I've already picked sound cards, SSDs, and a case. They are already in the builds I posted, no need to look. Case-wise.... it will work. That said, Antec P280 that I picked supports large motherboards, water cooling, multiple video cards, has sound insulation, and is really well built. In short, it's much better. You may think that Aerocool case looks impressive, but it really doesn't, it's just red plastic all over a cheap tin can. Another good case is Fractal Define XL R2, but it's on preorder: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1055&products_id=22869 Between it and Antec, I'd pick the Fractal, but then Antec is cheaper and the difference is very small. Edited January 7, 2014 by FMod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalikka Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) I would recommend the Swan M10 for speakers. And Xonar DX is nice for speakers but bad for headphones without an amplifier.The Sound Blaster Z actually uses the same DAC as the Xonar DX, but it also has an onboard headphone amplifier (20ohm output impedance). Edited January 7, 2014 by kalikka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mase18 Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 So pick one of these or mix and match the parts between the two. I intentionally made sure both would be cross-compatible.Post your final selection once you've decided or ask me any questions. alright, didnt think of doing either of those builds. i do have a moniter in mind: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=558_1092&products_id=25227Hmm... do you want to connect a $2k-$3k PC to a $180 monitor?Remember, when gaming, the monitor is what you'll be looking at. Where will it stand and how limited Is your desk space?If it's not too tight, I'd suggest connecting a high-grade 32" LED TV to it. You'll get much higher picture quality if you pick the right model. speakers in mind is this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=567_569&products_id=15759Junk. Cheap 5.1 adds nothing, even the surround effect loses out to quality 2.0, and you'll get entangled in wires that go everywhere.If it has to be from that store, I'd rather look at these: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=567_602&products_id=11824 The best speakers that store has in stock are these: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=567_895&products_id=18527 Sound cards are already in the builds.Xonar DX has top output quality and Xonar DSX is negligibly less refined, but you'll need real speakers to notice, not plastic junk. Creatives ever since x-fi aren't any good. For cheap speakers like the ones you've picked, a sound card is not needed at all, your motherboard already has one on board.Actually, you only really need a sound card if you go with the last speakers on the list here (Audioengine 5). keyboard is this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1469&products_id=22913the mouse, im not sure if i want to get one yet. right now, im using the razer ouroboros mouse, which is good. im on the loookout for mice with buttons on the left side, but cant find any i like, but ive got this in mind: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_1154&products_id=24867I Mice and keyboards are personal preference. That said, I think the ones you picked are "all hat, no cattle".There's a lot of bling, but the keyboard will probably be uncomfortable to use and in half a year one of the little plastic clips used for its "modular" system will break off and void the warranty for when it finally breaks down for real. The LCD screen has maybe 1 or 2 games supporting it. The mouse contains obsolete hardware inside. Like 6 years obsolete. It's not even worth looking at. Considering you want gaming models, and probably aren't yet at the point to go mechanical, I'd suggest this keyboard: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_999&products_id=19562If you REALLY MUST have bling, this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_999&products_id=23433But for that price you could get a mechanical. For mouse, one of these two is best:http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_1236&products_id=20818 http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_1236&products_id=24378 If you want a big fat mouse with a lot of buttons:http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=258_697_701&products_id=21066But it won't be as comfortable in shooters; these are for slow MMO and strategy games. the OS is going to be Windows 7 ultimate, but might change that to professianal or home premium, but not sure yet. im also looking at SSD's to install the OS, but not sure if thats a good idea... There's nothing ultimate about Win 7 Ultimate. Unless you need to change its language (why?), Windows 7 Home Premium is the exact same thing. The only missing features are relevant to corporate networks, not to home use. and i was looking at cases, and found this one: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1287&products_id=24959 but something is tells me its a bad idea to buy that case... I've already picked sound cards, SSDs, and a case. They are already in the builds I posted, no need to look. Case-wise.... it will work. That said, Antec P280 that I picked supports large motherboards, water cooling, multiple video cards, has sound insulation, and is really well built. In short, it's much better. You may think that Aerocool case looks impressive, but it really doesn't, it's just red plastic all over a cheap tin can. Another good case is Fractal Define XL R2, but it's on preorder: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1055&products_id=22869Between it and Antec, I'd pick the Fractal, but then Antec is cheaper and the difference is very small. alright, ill ask any questions on computer parts when i need too, as well as post final selection sometime soon. i dont follow, what's bad about hooking up a $180 moniter to a $2000 - $3000? how are these the best speakers:http:http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=567_895&products_id=18527? alright, the keyboard doesnt matter at the moment, but i have this keyboard in mind:http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1566&products_id=23009 with the mouse, how can you tell its using obsolete hardware?mouse doesnt matter at the moment, too. it can wait. alright, thanks for the help Fmod :) . i'll pm any questions that arise, if any arise. 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FMod Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 i dont follow, what's bad about hooking up a $180 moniter to a $2000 - $3000?Well, ask yourself: what are you actually looking at while gaming? It's not your CPU or video card, it's your display. And it's not like they are all the same, the difference in immersion between a 24" TN monitor and a 32" MVA or IPS LED TV with local dimming is far greater than between High and Ultra settings in a game. It does depend on how much space you have. But the display is really one of the most important parts of any build, it's not something to just pick at random. how are these the best speakers ?Wood cabinets, 5" woofers, good construction, they are heavy enough, and they have good reviews at audio websites. Speakers like the Audioengine produce clear sound like what you could hear in real life. Plastic 5.1 kits make very muddy bass from the subwoofer - everything sounds like some nondescript hum - combined with tinny upper frequencies from the plastic satellites. Out of what they have in that store, Audioengine 5 is the best. As for value for money... IDK. You can find similar or at least adequate sound quality for less, but you'd have to look in other stores. Generally speaking, the big step is from plastic to larger wood cabinets, above that the difference gets smaller. Look for 2.0, since 2.1 or 5.1 means a subwoofer and a subwoofer in this price range means trash for actual speakers. alright, the keyboard doesnt matter at the moment, but i have this keyboard in mind:http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1566&products_id=23009I think it's OK. Roccat's quality can vary (from low to OK), but it has a good layout and it's not utterly overpriced. Regarding the mouse, look at its specs, they're using an old 900 dpi sensor. Lasers may be a gimmick, but modern optical sensors still have ~2,000 dpi. Also, wireless mice aren't very good, they're heavier, less responsive, and the battery always runs out at the worst moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalikka Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Mouse sensors have very small variety, for example 8200DPI means that the mouse uses Avago ADNS-9800 laser sensor. And 5000DPI means that the mouse is using Avago ADNS-9500 sensor.Generally anything under 3600DPI is obsolete hardware. But keep in mind that DPI is not everything. Logitech G400 and G400s are pretty good for example, but the cable durability is a problem for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKZZ2 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw-WhFl7_yM :))))))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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