Fallout 4 Modding: Constant Crashing and Load Order Woes

[Guest deleted42812865]

I'm at my wit's end with an infuriating issue I've encountered while trying to enjoy my heavily modded Fallout 4 experience. Despite numerous attempts at troubleshooting, I continue to face game crashes that have now become almost insurmountable. I'm reaching out to the community in hopes of finding someone who might have encountered a similar issue or can offer some fresh insights.

The Predicament: Every time I attempt to access any option on the main menu, my game crashes to desktop (CTD). I've done everything within my power to fix this, from reinstalling the game to starting from scratch with a clean slate for both the game and my mod manager (Vortex). This includes painstakingly reinstalling all my mods and verifying the integrity of my game files multiple times.

Further Details:

1. Main Menu CTD: Initially, my game was crashing immediately upon trying to access any option on the main menu. However, after some troubleshooting, I managed to partially fix this issue. Now, the game doesn't crash upon accessing the main menu, but the CTD occurs when I refresh my load order in the in-game mod tab. This is particularly frustrating because I need to refresh my load order to get certain mods, like Looksmenu, to work properly. However, my game will ctd on using any option on the main menu if i disable any mods in an attempt to fix the ctd on using the in game load order. Sort of a rock and a hard place situation.

2. Crash Logger Complications: I'd love to utilize Buffout4 as a crash logger, but attempting to open the game with Buffout4 installed also triggers a CTD.

My Attempted Solutions:

• Thoroughly reinstalling the game from scratch.
• Clean installation of Vortex mod manager.
• Reinstallation of all mods with meticulous care to ensure proper compatibility.
• Frequent verification of game file integrity.
• Manual adjustment of load order to minimize conflicts.
• Disabling and enabling mods in small batches to pinpoint potential culprits.
• Researching extensively for similar issues and possible solutions.

What I'm Desperately Seeking:

• Any insights into why the load order refresh crashes are occurring.
• Alternative suggestions for crash logging since Buffout4 isn't feasible.
• Tips for diagnosing conflicts and pinpointing the troublesome mod(s).
• Experience-based advice from those who've overcome similar issues.
• Creative troubleshooting strategies that might uncover the underlying problem.

Finally here is my gargantuan load order, I understand that the amount of mods im running is a likely cause of this but I want to keep as many of them as I can:

 

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 DLCRobot.esm

2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm

3 3 DLCCoast.esm

4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm

5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm

6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm

254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4001-pipboy(black).esl

254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4004-pipboy(camo02).esl

254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4006-pipboy(chrome).esl

254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4014-pipboy(white).esl

254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4018-gaussrifleprototype.esl

254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4023-powerarmorskin(camo02).esl

254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4025-powerarmorskin(chrome).esl

254 FE 7 ccbgsfo4033-powerarmorskinwhite.esl

254 FE 8 ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl

254 FE 9 ccbgsfo4041-doommarinearmor.esl

254 FE a ccbgsfo4042-bfg.esl

254 FE b ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl

254 FE c ccfrsfo4001-handmadeshotgun.esl

254 FE d ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl

254 FE e ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl

254 FE f ccgcafo4001-factionws01army.esl

254 FE 10 ccgcafo4002-factionws02acat.esl

254 FE 11 ccgcafo4003-factionws03bos.esl

254 FE 12 ccgcafo4004-factionws04gun.esl

254 FE 13 ccgcafo4005-factionws05hrpink.esl

254 FE 14 ccgcafo4006-factionws06hrshark.esl

254 FE 15 ccgcafo4007-factionws07hrflames.esl

254 FE 16 ccgcafo4008-factionws08inst.esl

254 FE 17 ccgcafo4009-factionws09mm.esl

254 FE 18 ccgcafo4010-factionws10rr.esl

254 FE 19 ccgcafo4011-factionws11vt.esl

254 FE 1a ccgcafo4012-factionas01acat.esl

254 FE 1b ccgcafo4013-factionas02bos.esl

254 FE 1c ccgcafo4014-factionas03gun.esl

254 FE 1d ccgcafo4015-factionas04hrpink.esl

254 FE 1e ccgcafo4016-factionas05hrshark.esl

254 FE 1f ccgcafo4017-factionas06inst.esl

254 FE 20 ccgcafo4018-factionas07mm.esl

254 FE 21 ccgcafo4019-factionas08nuk.esl

254 FE 22 ccgcafo4020-factionas09rr.esl

254 FE 23 ccgcafo4021-factionas10hrflames.esl

254 FE 24 ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl

254 FE 25 ccgcafo4023-factionas12army.esl

254 FE 26 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl

7 7 ccswkfo4001-astronautpowerarmor.esm

254 FE 27 ccswkfo4002-pipnuka.esl

254 FE 28 ccswkfo4003-pipquan.esl

254 FE 29 ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl

254 FE 2a cceejfo4002-nuka.esl

254 FE 2b ccbgsfo4009-piporan.esl

254 FE 2c ccbgsfo4028-powerarmorskinorange.esl

254 FE 2d ccsbjfo4001-solarflare.esl

254 FE 2e ccbgsfo4116-heavyflamer.esl

254 FE 2f ccbgsfo4108-ws_childrenofatom.esl

254 FE 30 ccbgsfo4103-as_tunnelsnakes.esl

254 FE 31 ccbgsfo4099-as_reillysrangers.esl

254 FE 32 ccbgsfo4098-as_pickman.esl

254 FE 33 ccbgsfo4096-as_enclave.esl

254 FE 34 ccbgsfo4095-as_childrenofatom.esl

254 FE 35 ccbgsfo4082-pipprc.esl

254 FE 36 ccbgsfo4081-pipphenolresin.esl

254 FE 37 ccbgsfo4035-pint.esl

254 FE 38 ccbgsfo4047-qthund.esl

254 FE 39 ccbgsfo4046-tescan.esl

254 FE 3a cccrsfo4001-pipcoa.esl

8 8 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

9 9 XDI.esm

10 a HUDFramework.esm

11 b workshopframework.esm

12 c ArmorKeywords.esm

13 d AAF.esm

254 FE 3b PPF.esm

14 e SouthOfTheSea.esm

254 FE 3c MoreWildlife.esl

15 f CWPointLookoutFO4.esm

16 10 NewCalibers.esp

17 11 TheMarshland.esm

18 12 TortureDevices.esm

19 13 Devious Devices.esm

254 FE 3d SwimmingAnims.esl

254 FE 3e KillTips_by_tooun.esl

20 14 TrueStormsFO4.esm

21 15 ProtoArgonianRace.esp

22 16 TacticalReload.esm

254 FE 3f VC_Gage_Fix.esl

254 FE 40 HiPolyFacesCompanionPlugin.esl

254 FE 41 CoAFanaticsGirl.esl

254 FE 42 AAFThemes.esl

23 17 OVT.esp

254 FE 43 SavrenX SuperMutant Armor HD.esp

254 FE 44 SavrenX HD Vanilla Armor.esp

254 FE 45 SavrenX HD Vanilla Clothes Optimized.esp

254 FE 46 AWHD2KFull.esp

24 18 visiblecompanionaffinity.esp

25 19 Consistent Power Armor Overhaul.esp

26 1a Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

27 1b dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp

28 1c WastelandCannibals.esp

29 1d EAMR.esp

30 1e PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp

31 1f Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp

32 20 Armorsmith Extended.esp

254 FE 47 VividFallout - AiO - BestChoice.esp

33 21 hdreworkedprojectrevised.esp

34 22 SD-Starlight-Overhaul.esp

35 23 MutilatedDeadBodies.esp

254 FE 48 SouthOfTheSea[Previs].esp

36 24 subwayrunnnernodynamic.esp

37 25 clothingoverhaul.esp

38 26 1echo.esp

39 27 OutcastsAndRemnants.esp

40 28 MojaveImports.esp

41 29 More Armor Slots - All Dlc.esp

42 2a SalemEXPANDED.esp

43 2b SuperMutantRedux.esp

44 2c Depravity.esp

45 2d RaiderOverhaul.esp

46 2e The Train.esp

47 2f ImprovedBoS.esp

48 30 Mansion.esp

49 31 TrainBar.esp

50 32 AA FusionCityRising.esp

51 33 AA FusionCityRising - HotC.esp

52 34 Brotherhood Power Armor Overhaul.esp

53 35 Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

54 36 WBO.esp

55 37 SanctuaryHotSpringHome.esp

56 38 FarHarborStory.esp

57 39 NIS - Hunted.esp

58 3a SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp

59 3b Raider Overhaul - AE Patch-Restored Content-VIS.esp

60 3c CustomRaceHeadgearRedux.esp

61 3d WZWildWasteland.esp

62 3e Immersive Fallout (DLC).esp

63 3f W.A.T.Minutemen.esp

64 40 Relic Space Marine.esp

65 41 ImprovedBoSRedux.esp

66 42 The Space Marine.esp

67 43 DCGuard_Overhaul.esp

68 44 Stm_DiamondCityExpansion.esp

69 45 ArmyDepotOmega.esp

70 46 MikeMooresMCAM.esp

71 47 FlamerOverhaul.esp

254 FE 49 Fallout 4 AI Overhaul.esp

72 48 Claustrophobia.esp

73 49 ImprovedBoSRedux-Uniforms.esp

254 FE 4a Unused Map Markers - Cut Content Restored.esp

74 4a children of ug qualtoth.esp

75 4b KellyManor.esp

76 4c USNBOSTONWRECK-WithMarker.esp

77 4d Vivid Waters.esp

78 4e Flashy_CrimeAndPunishment_GunForHire_Addon.esp

79 4f CombinedArmsNV.esp

80 50 CombinedArmsEXPack.esp

81 51 Skb_RiflesRebirth.esp

82 52 M2_Flamethrower_2.2.esp

83 53 mk41gyrojethmg.esp

84 54 CSEPLoadedBases.esp

85 55 bridgefix.esp

86 56 DOOMMerged.esp

87 57 MisriahArmory.esp

88 58 Wastelanders XM2076 by giggity12345.esp

89 59 ProjectValkyrie.esp

90 5a LoadedBasesFSDPatch.esp

91 5b ak5c.esp

92 5c The Metro.esp

254 FE 4b CROSS_2077.esp

254 FE 4c CROSS_MojaveManhunter.esp

93 5d Ketaros_World.esp

94 5e Tomacuzi9.esp

95 5f RealHandcuffs.esp

96 60 ar_dlc01.esp

97 61 MK18.esp

98 62 wattzlasergun.esp

99 63 SCAR-L.esp

100 64 SSNPC - DCResidentsAIO.esp

101 65 sw500.esp

102 66 P90.esp

103 67 CazadorML.esp

104 68 F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp

105 69 GrenadeExpansionPack.esp

106 6a mk14.esp

107 6b Submarine Base Echo.esp

108 6c LString_Bow.esp

109 6d rangergearnew.esp

254 FE 4d SouthOfTheSea[PatchWZWildWasteland].esp

110 6e skyriminspiredpowerarmor.esp

111 6f NumbersStation.esp

112 70 Heavy BoS.esp

113 71 RU556.esp

114 72 HaxRPG7.esp

115 73 WastelandWideWarehouse.esp

116 74 GaussRevolver.esp

117 75 MWM19.esp

118 76 AK74M.esp

119 77 ElMudoStore.esp

120 78 cambridgefacility.esp

121 79 AtomicRadio.esp

122 7a KellyMacabre.esp

123 7b SkibsWeapons-REDUX.esp

124 7c WinCowbowRepeater.esp

125 7d MP7.esp

126 7e 9x39Project.esp

127 7f HoneyBadger.esp

128 80 KrissVector.esp

129 81 Remington.esp

130 82 SuomiPP.esp

254 FE 4e Remington870.esp

131 83 m1garand.esp

132 84 huntingrevolver.esp

133 85 CROSS_GoreCrits.esp

134 86 CROSS_GoreCrits_FarHarborPatch.esp

135 87 HiPolyFaces.esp

254 FE 4f CROSS_CoA.esp

254 FE 50 CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp

136 88 CROSS_RugerMkV.esp

137 89 CRX.esp

254 FE 51 CustomRaceHeadgearRedux_Proto.esp

138 8a DavesPoses.esp

139 8b DD_bleu_Ump_Extreme_Lore_friendly_edition.esp

140 8c TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

141 8d TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp

142 8e Radiant Clouds and Fogs.esp

143 8f DarkerNights.esp

144 90 RealAI.esp

145 91 DarkerNightsDetection.esp

146 92 5mmMinugun-47basedamage.esp

147 93 Yona_Weapon_DefenseGun.esp

148 94 DOOMDesertEagle.esp

149 95 HN66Fo4_EasyGirl_BS.esp

150 96 DCE_female_body_replacer_EasyGirl.esp

151 97 RaceCustomizer.esp

152 98 LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp

254 FE 52 DiscreteFemaleSkeleton.esp

153 99 Raider Overhaul - AE Patch-Restored Content.esp

154 9a ApalLeotard.esp

155 9b KSHairdos.esp

156 9c Eli_Companions 9000 GTX.esp

157 9d ESAFC_Cait.esp

254 FE 53 DungeonRespawns.esp

158 9e EatFood.esp

159 9f WD_44.esp

160 a0 EOLCoADecor.esp

161 a1 Factor.esp

162 a2 Scopes.esp

163 a3 [ARRETH] FGEP.esp

164 a4 Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp

165 a5 FlaconOil_BA2_2K_Part2.esp

166 a6 FlaconOil_BA2_2K_Part3.esp

167 a7 KSHairsFemsheppingRadbeetle.esp

168 a8 Immersive_Molotovs_FlamerESP.esp

169 a9 Quad_Fusillade.esp

170 aa GasserRevolver.esp

171 ab Ghouls Revamped.esp

172 ac Godess Set Full.esp

173 ad WeaponsHD.esp

174 ae CapsWidget.esp

175 af HuntingRifleSounds.esp

176 b0 ImmersiveAnimationFramework.esp

254 FE 54 IAF - Far Harbor & Nuka World.esp

177 b1 ImprovedBoSRedux-Vertibirds.esp

178 b2 IncreasedSettlerPopulation50.esp

179 b3 power armor quick enter and exit.esp

254 FE 55 Power Armor HUD Switcher.esp

180 b4 DOOMLK05.esp

181 b5 LegendaryModification.esp

182 b6 LegendaryModification2LM.esp

183 b7 LegendaryModification2LMAKPatch.esp

184 b8 LegendaryModificationCSA.esp

185 b9 LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp

186 ba LegendaryModificationMisc.esp

187 bb DX_Leotard_Collection.esp

188 bc Live Action Handy.esp

189 bd LooksMenu.esp

190 be LooksMirror.esp

191 bf Lots More Facial Hair.esp

192 c0 M1014.esp

193 c1 M60.esp

194 c2 azarponytailhairstyles.esp

195 c3 0oicmilitaryclutter.esp

196 c4 3dscopes-goty.esp

197 c5 ZellaHairDye.esp

198 c6 busty grrl.esp

199 c7 mauser rifle pack.esp

200 c8 campsite.esp

201 c9 settlementlimitslashed.esp

254 FE 56 AIO 2K Edition.esp

202 ca AUG-A1.esp

203 cb M9.esp

204 cc DOOMMAC11.esp

205 cd MutilatedDeadBodies-Workshop.esp

206 ce MG42.esp

207 cf MP-412.esp

208 d0 More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp

209 d1 Minigun.esp

210 d2 MagicianOutfit.esp

211 d3 McMillanCS5.esp

212 d4 Metro Gas Masks.esp

213 d5 MinigunDamage.esp

214 d6 MoreGenericNPCFaces.esp

215 d7 Mosin.esp

216 d8 NMC Bundle HIGH.esp

217 d9 NPC Accuracy Revised.esp

218 da Nexus_PMC.esp

219 db No Underarmor Scalling.esp

220 dc Nox Outfit.esp

221 dd NukaRadBans.esp

222 de Nuka World Bottle Fix.esp

223 df OCDecorator.esp

224 e0 OCDecoratorDLC.esp

225 e1 OCDispenser.esp

226 e2 Obi's Kinky Collection.esp

254 FE 57 ODW - Winchester Model 1873.esp

227 e3 ObiSportsWear.esp

228 e4 PA increases your speed.esp

229 e5 rpampas.esp

230 e6 PA-Quick Animations.esp

231 e7 BTPlaceableCorpses.esp

232 e8 PowerArmorImpactEffects.esp

233 e9 Prisoner Shackles.esp

254 FE 58 Proto_Argonian_Piper_Replacer.esp

254 FE 59 ProtoArgonianNPCs.esp

254 FE 5a ProtoArgonianPlayer.esp

234 ea RadiantBirdsv05.esp

235 eb real.AI - Untethered.esp

236 ec You Talk Too Much.esp

237 ed Realistic_conversations.esp

254 FE 5b RealHandcuffs_AWKCR_Compatibility.esp

254 FE 5c RealHandcuffs_DD_Compatibility.esp

238 ee RiotShotgun.esp

254 FE 5d Elzee Breathe.esp

239 ef ReconPack.esp

240 f0 Edit_Hancock.esp

241 f1 Shino Bikini Pack.esp

242 f2 Slave&ModelPinup.esp

243 f3 Spartan-Calyps.esp

254 FE 5e StartMeUpShaunDefaultAppearance.esp

244 f4 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

245 f5 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

246 f6 SuperMutantRedux_WeaponsmithExtended_Patch.esp

254 FE 5f Physics Sound Overhaul.esp

247 f7 SurvivalOptions.esp

248 f8 M2216.esp

249 f9 TheKite_HCD_SynthUniform.esp

250 fa TheKite_HCD_SynthUniform_Replacer.esp

251 fb TheKite_CaitSet.esp

252 fc UnlimitedSettlementBudget.esp

253 fd Third Person Movement Speed Fix.esp

254 fe TheKite_VTS.esp

255 ff VendorCaps.esp

256 100 Toxic Raider Armour.esp

257 101 WD_Pistol_Renimation_Pack.esp

258 102 1CAS_serviceRifle.esp

259 103 VtawWardrobe6.esp

260 104 WBO-Automatron.esp

261 105 WBO-Extended Weapon Mods.esp

262 106 win1897.esp

263 107 X01Light.esp

264 108 Unique Mythic Deathclaws.esp

265 109 Smoke-able Cigars.esp

266 10a HN66-SiriusArmor.esp

267 10b GrenadeExpansionPackAWKCRPatch.esp

268 10c GrenadeExpansionPackLoadsPatch.esp

269 10d Ev_CPA10.esp

270 10e EV_CPA10_LL.esp

271 10f MP5.esp

272 110 rfortaleza2.esp

273 111 rfortaleza2-mk1.esp

274 112 P90NPC.esp

275 113 detailedferalghouls.esp

276 114 dinomore.esp

277 115 512StandaloneHairColors.esp

278 116 DX_Harley_Quinn_Outfit.esp

279 117 ACR-W17.esp

280 118 ASVektor.esp

281 119 AK5CSkinPackAll.esp

254 FE 60 Bullet Impact Overhaul.esp

254 FE 61 Physics Sound OverhaulLowerCasings.esp

254 FE 62 CROSS_BrotherhoodRecon.esp

282 11a CannibalReworked.esp

283 11b SlaveTattoos.esp

284 11c CBBE.esp

285 11d Chiappa_Rhino.esp

286 11e CigaretteInMouth.esp

287 11f chem redux.esp

288 120 ChineseStealthSuit.esp

289 121 CompanionAccuracy.esp

290 122 Companion Infinite Ammo.esp

291 123 Crimsomrider's Accessories.esp

292 124 CraftableAmmo.esp

293 125 CraftableAmmo_plus.esp

294 126 CraftableAnimationMarkers.esp

295 127 GS Beretta PX4.esp

296 128 BetterShishkebab.esp

297 129 StartMeUp.esp

298 12a StartMeUpNukaWorldPatch.esp

299 12b EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

254 FE 63 ELFX Crash fix.esp

 

 

Your assistance means the world to me as I'm fervently passionate about modding and transforming my Fallout 4 adventure. This hurdle has left me feeling incredibly frustrated for the past week, and any help provided would be extremely appreciated.

Please, if you have any ideas or solutions to share, don't hesitate to respond. I'm open to all suggestions and immensely grateful for your support.

Thank you sincerely