Welcome to the New World Fascism!

[jaysus]

Juhu... welcome to the new world democracies

 

after the fall of the united states into a fascist dictatorship now their colony germany also has fallen under such rule...

 

not enough that germany never was legitimated, didnt have a constitution and was regarded by the UN as an enemy state up to this very date it now has gotten censorship laws similiar to those in the good ol' GDR, udssr, carter's usa or china...

 

since we didnt have much of a terrorism threat over here (probably cause our cops were just too good for any BND false fag attack and prevented em all with ease lol) we found a new wonderful reason to create censorship and total surveillance :)

child pronography!

thats prolly an even better excuse than any terror attack...

i mean cmon who would dare to stand up to a law that prevents children of getting abused? noone... right...

so we now have a law that allows the BKA (german FBI) to block all pages that contains links, hints, words or anything else related to child porn

furthermore it allows for the persecution of people trying to access those pages

 

thats a good thing one should think

 

but its not... just take this here as an example... nexus could now get blocked cause there is the might child porn word in this thread and wouldnt be accesible by anyone... anyone who would want to download his mods now would fall under surveillance and most likely get a visit by the feds cause he is a nasty child abuser...

 

and this is the mighty flaw in this law, we have seen a similiar law suit years ago against the compuserve owner, he was charged and enjailed for the spreading of child porn as there were some users on compuseve which did so...

 

well that was an individual which was enjailed out of sense for doing nothing at all... which promoted german internet providers with the means of an now empty market and the chance to fill that hole (wise step) which they did spledidly, compuserve went bancrupt and german telekom took over...

 

But now we have a law that endangerous everbodies freedom! not just that of some rich monopolists some other monopolists want to get rid of but all those people and internet pages which might pose a threat to whatever the bka or zensursula (the minister who promoted that law) want... (strange thing is that this law was seriously backed by online gambling companies and the music industry)

 

so better start packing your toothbrushes and nightgrown as the bka is on your doorstep yet...

 

p.s.

sorry dark for saying that word here, if your page gets blocked now im deeply sorry... blame my government...

 

regarding zensursula:

rumours are that according to psychonalaytic analysis of her statements on as to why she thinks this law should be applied hints at the fact that she herself is a child abuser

example:

"the probability of getting addicted to this kind of stuff is very high and we should prevent that from happening"

addicted? is child porn somin like heroin? i mean she prolly saw alot of that stuff during her alleged research and knows what it is about and how addictive it can be... i doubt it but if she, the pro, says so...

[Ihoe]

He he He, You mean Seeing "Child Porn" Is Freedom ? or even porn ?

You should have seen what is Going on here, First off I Have to state I have no mere interest in any pornographic Material, But in Iran, Political Sites and All their Links Are Blocked, Plus Youtube, Photobucket, Jokes.com, Wikipedia, Facebook, Twitter, My Space.com, Image.Google.Com... as well as Any Foreign Iranian Musician's Fan Site,

and Our so called Government, After Slaughtering People in the Street, Goes Off Saying : We are "Pure" Democracy... :lol:

But what Corruption Lies Behind Those sites that you talk about J, Your Government is Doing A Good Thing, It's Good For any child's Health That uses the Net, What makes Today's Youth so Ignorant and Free (Total Freedom of doing anything they want) "can" be the net.

 

Methinks. :D

[jaysus]

you just fell for the trick of evil too...

its not about preventing child abuse,

they merely block sites which contain words like child porn and so on and persecute those that visit them, even if one of the many nexus community members would be a sicko and post such a link the nexus would get blocked and all nexus visitors sued

 

the problem in it is that for one you can simply prevent being spotted by using a proxy, which is what every non retarded sicko will do and does yet anyway, but also that quite alot of pages with open communities run arisk of getting blocked aswell as their visitors being sued...

 

furthermore it can be abused like mad to shut down unwelcome sites, unwelcome means sites that oppose for example online gambling or copyright laws (they were the main force behind that law apart from some power hungry mps in regards to the next election)

 

but the worst of all is that the crimes against children are not actually being persecuted, they mereley get wiped under the carpet as we say here, they get hidden (the mp in charge said that was necessary to prevent people from getting addicted to child abuse... i guess shes kinda ill minded)...

 

that law doesnt contain useful steps like for example better cooperation between countries or the shutdown and deletion of these files neither does it contain any new ideas for funding that fight or new means to get a better hold of such sites and their owners

 

the real perpetrators wont get caught that way but innocent grandmas looking at their favorite sock knitting forum....

 

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lol and plz dont say thats normal... i mean cmon you live in a country our (meaning our "civilized" (lol what a nice quote by a real jerk) western) govs place on the "axis of evil" :D

but the comparision is ok... we are going the same path step by step... just for different reasons...

 

but lets blame the americans as usual or better even the jews (stereotyping here), well not the jews in general (they are just people like we all are) but a certain family called rothshild... they enslaved both our countries (guess who placed the sha in power and then toppled him?) to become puppet states of their own... even your archenemy israel is just such a puppet...

true your gov defies america and says they are evil, but really whom does that hurt? just you... and it gives the league of rothshilds the legitimation to do some nasty things once again which will once again profit them financially and power wise...

[Ihoe]

Well if that's the case, then they just want to wrap something up to fool a Certain Group of individuals Called "Parents" !!!

 

Übrigens, Sie leben in Deutschland JaySuS? Ihr Profil Says Kiribati, lol ...

[Vagrant0]

I forget what it is, but believe there is something which is designed to bypass government filters, even where proxy usage is blocked. It was developed for China, and is right now being used by people in Iran. I would imagine it would be useful here too. Forget the name, but maybe someone else can remember.

 

I believe this is really just the latest reaction to some recent events in the UK. In particular, Parliament's decisions related to a certain eroge which was never intended for usage outside Japan, cannot be bought outside Japan, and exists only in Japanese language (so how it has any meaning to UK, or the rest of the world is beyond me). And as things go, it is probably far from being anywhere near as disconcerning as most of what is floating around out there.

 

Honestly though, I would imagine that this is really just a half-hearted attempt and trying to quiet overactive complaints from people who don't know the first thing about what they are complaining about. Any sort of broad filtering like that would be nearly impossible for anyone to maintain for long, especially if there is clause for sueing the government back

[Ihoe]

I forget what it is, but believe there is something which is designed to bypass government filters, even where proxy usage is blocked. It was developed for China, and is right now being used by people in Iran. I would imagine it would be useful here too. Forget the name, but maybe someone else can remember...

Is that Anti-Filter By any chance "Free Gate" or "Freegate" ?

[Vagrant0]

I forget what it is, but believe there is something which is designed to bypass government filters, even where proxy usage is blocked. It was developed for China, and is right now being used by people in Iran. I would imagine it would be useful here too. Forget the name, but maybe someone else can remember...

Is that Anti-Filter By any chance "Free Gate" or "Freegate" ?

Yes, believe that is the one.

[TheTerminator2004]

I forget what it is, but believe there is something which is designed to bypass government filters, even where proxy usage is blocked. It was developed for China, and is right now being used by people in Iran. I would imagine it would be useful here too. Forget the name, but maybe someone else can remember...

Is that Anti-Filter By any chance "Free Gate" or "Freegate" ?

 

I believe TOR is the main one, its certainly the most commonly used. It can bypass any filter blocking your internet connection, by simply sending the data via several other users first along an encrypted connection. So the filter just thinks you're connecting to some random computer, not to whatever it is you're actually connecting to. There are various other similar systems, but TOR is the most widely-used, and as a result, one of the best.

 

But no method of bypassing a filter will be as good as just being free to have a direct connection to whatever it is you want to connect to - every method works by passing the data along several other peoples connections, which makes them all inherently extremely slow. Not to mention the slowdown effect a national filter has on the entire nation's internet connections - as was shown when Australia's proposed nation-wide filter (also aimed at tackling child porn, but expanded to be used to block other things such as bittorrent trackers and sites the government doesnt want people to see), where it massively slowed down the speed of the connections it was tested on. Good thing it wasn't implemented in the end, really.

 

As for this German filter, you seem to have ignored a few key points here jaysus:

 

1) I seriously doubt its automated. Sites containing child porn aren't exactly going to be full of text advertising their purpose, and I find it highly doubtful there are any actual websites containing such material at all - it is likely all hidden away on private servers which only a few people can access. Like the Australian system, it is almost certainly a blacklist created by the government, rather than an automated thing (though you'd think taking down the sites and arresting the operators completely would be a better idea than simply blocking access...). Besides, the number of false alarms would be massive... if it blocked every page with the words child porn in, it would have blocked every news site in Germany :P

 

2) Its only being used to block child porn. Nothing else. While it is a good idea to be concerned that a system which could be used to block other, less unwholesome, sites has been put in place, right now it is not having any impact on your freedom. Everyone can still go and access any site they want, just not child porn. Which, provided it stays that way, isn't much of a problem.

 

The big problem now is that groups like the RIAA or IFPI are going to see this as a perfect opportunity, and will be lobbying hard (not to mention bribing even more politicians than they already are) to get it expanded to block torrent sites. And once you start blocking sites which arent massively, totally illegal, theres no reason not to start blocking other sites you dont like too. And once that happens, then you're no better than China or Iran.

 

Sorry for the wall of text btw :P And sorry if it doesnt all make sense, its 4:45am, and I'm tired :P

[Echo Icehand]

Check this.

 

There is 'perfectly reasonable' law world-wide:

 

"Any and all telecommunication can be monitored by any and all federally authorized counter-terror and intelligence services to find, isolate, and suppress criminal or terrorist acts."

 

In Pakistan this law was 'edited' to include the following statement:

 

"and criticism of government, federal and political authorities."

 

The modification was veto-ed by the Supreme Court of Pakistan THREE DAYS LATER.

[Vagrant0]

Check this.

 

There is 'perfectly reasonable' law world-wide:

 

"Any and all telecommunication can be monitored by any and all federally authorized counter-terror and intelligence services to find, isolate, and suppress criminal or terrorist acts."

 

In Pakistan this law was 'edited' to include the following statement:

 

"and criticism of government, federal and political authorities."

 

The modification was veto-ed by the Supreme Court of Pakistan THREE DAYS LATER.

The problem with such a law is that it is not clear on what criminal or terrorist acts are, nor is it clear as to methods are being used to investigate the validity of these acts. In the simplest terms, such a law would allow them to monitor anyone and everyone they choose to, merely on the suspicion that they are doing something "criminal", and for any length of time until they deem activity to be "non-criminal". The reality is that if you watch anyone hard enough, long enough, they are bound to do or say something that might suggest a criminal or terrorist act. Big brother looking over our shoulder is never a good thing.

 

As far as it relates to the problem at hand, it is incredibly naive to think that it would do anything other than persecute innocent persons. By some standards, even the pictures that some people have on their hard drive of their kids constitutes as child pornography. In the US there are actually people who have had to register as sex offenders, and had their lives ruined because they snapped a photo of their own child on the toilet. More recently, manga and other drawn depictions of under age sex has started becoming illegal to own, purchase, look at, or share. Source The law in the US and many other places is so incredibly vague as to what is and is not pornography. The real scum bags who do this kind of thing are good at keeping things quiet, working with code words, and mixing between both online and offline social networks. They won't be caught by just filtering out the "bad" sites, they'll just go somewhere else, or use legitimate, private sites to pass along information. Like anything else, the more you pressure them, the deeper behind the scenes they'll go. The only real way to cause any effect to such groups is to infiltrate, gather evidence, and give them an almighty smackdown.