NPC conversations

[Zephyr102]

The conversations between NPCs seem to be bugging out. They'll appear to start conversations with each other, but then just sit there saying nothing, tho the animations still continue. Usually it doesn't break the game, but it seems to effect certain quests as well- the conversation between Thoronir and Agarmir for 'Unfriendly Competition' doesn't work at all, and another conversation in 'Corruption and Conscience' locked up several times.

 

It's started recently and happens randomly (tho often), but I can't seem to link it to any one mod in particular. Switching them all off and playing my old vanilla toon seems to help, but I can't seem to pin-point the problem.

 

Halp!

Thanks.

[dezdimona]

list your mods and there load order

[Zephyr102]

Load order as of today-

 

Oblivion.esm

MD_Saddle_Master.esm

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

WindowLightingSystem.esp

ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp

ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp

Portable Campsite.esp

BlackLuster.esp

FemaleImperialDragonCuirass.esp

Hiyoko_Store.esp

KDDwemerSpectacles.esp

kfDarkAdventuressBow.esp

Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp

tda_ScytheModv1.2.esp

tona_whitesquall-armor_ver2.esp

StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp

R18PN - Lingeries.esp

tona_simple_dress-armor_ver3.esp

Slof's Horses Base.esp

Slof's Extra Horses.esp

MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp

Nightshade_Armor.esp

Cheydinhal Petshop.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

SkyCastle.esp

Solace.esp

Knights.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

ULFallenLeafEverglade.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

Waterfront Passage - Control of Goods.esp

Short Grass V3.esp

Get Wet.esp

CuteElf11.esp

Kagrenacs Tools.esp

Streamline 2.1.esp

tona_shadow-walker.esp

scummsWeaponRack.esp

tona_traveling_items.esp

tona_clothes_and_underwear.esp

Tona Anchorite Outfit.esp

 

Downloaded a utility called BOSS to adjust my load order, haven't determined if it's fully fixed the issue yet.

[Zephyr102]

Bump. (Hope that's OK here...)

[Maigrets]

Your problem is the Cheydinhal Petshop assuming it's version 1.7 you have.

 

This mod changed the Global settings for how long NPC speech is delayed before it plays so the NPC's will continue to behave as if they are speaking but their animations etc will be over before the speech kicks in.

 

If you have the Construction Set:

 

Start the CS then go to File then the Data menu and a list of your mods will appear. Highlight the Cheydinhal Petshop esp and click Details at the bottom of the window.

 

Find GMST in the list. The entry you need to fix is fAISpeechDefaultMult. Select it so it's highlighted and press the delete key on the keyboard.

You will get a message saying "You have chosen to toggle ignore one or more records.." etc. This is what you want to do in this case. It will toggle Ignore on the problem record. Click OK.

 

Close the details window.

 

Put a check in the box next to Cheydinhal Petshop.esp in the Data Files window and make it active by clicking the Set as Active File button at the bottom.

 

Load the CS and when it's finished all you need to do is go to File > Save and you're done.

 

Exit the CS and you're problem should be fixed.

 

Hope this helped. :smile:

 

EDIT: Keep a backup of your fixed esp in case you need to reinstall the Petshop again.

[Zephyr102]

That seems to have gotten things working right. Imperial City is alive again!

 

Thanks!

[Maigrets]

That seems to have gotten things working right. Imperial City is alive again!

 

Thanks!

 

No problem. I'm glad you got it fixed. :smile:

[LordEmm]

Hello there,

 

after weeks of trying which dozens of mods mix and match and which do not work, i finally got my Oblivion working just as i want and figured, let's PLAY it again. Well wouldn't you know, something is still off. (And somehow i am sure there will be more problems as i progress with the game).

 

I ran into the same Thoronir and Agarmir problem. They just stand there after i tracked them to their meeting place.

 

I do not have the Cheydinhal Petshop mod though. So could i ask for help what else might be causing this?

I did deactivate all animation mods as well as behaving modifiers, but no success so far.

 

I'll post my load order below (it IS a long list of otherwise perfectly working mods):

 

Oblivion.esm

CM Partners.esm

SC_Drow Race.esm

IceElfRace.esm

SC_Drow Race - Skin Tone.esp

SC_Drow Race Addon - Magic & Armor.esp

CM Partners.esp

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

Corean_hair_for_Original_race.esp

Capucines Character Expansion.esp

Kyoma's Spell Renamer.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

AliveWaters.esp

AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

Sinblood's Widow Dress.esp

Seductress Armour.esp

Shadowsilk-exnem.esp

SickleIrons.esp

AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

Knights.esp

Blood Widow.esp

Fundies.esp

Bisquits01.esp

DarkIllusionArmor.esp

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

Elves Of Lineage II.esp

Exnem_Golden_Assassin_Armor.esp

BlackLuster.esp

DemonRace.esp

KendoGirl_Final.esp

Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp

Nec Mystic Dark Elf-Remake.esp

24HrArenaAliveV2.esp

CuteElf11.esp

Lattamer.esp

AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp

BisPainBringer.esp

Oonas_Outfitters.esp

Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp

sexydancer.esp

CTAddPose_ bondage_sex.esp

CTAddPose_bondage_sex-2.esp

road+bridges.esp

Slof's Boners! v5.esp

HGEC Futanari.esp

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

ALE_Armure_Legere.esp

Diano.esp

DianoArmor2.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

Diano2_UltraLite.esp

SwordDancer.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

Shaman Clothing.esp

Hentai_ClymoreArmour.esp

Hentai_AthenaArmour.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

Dancers clothes.esp

Slaveknight armor.esp

Arrows of Channeling.esp

MHSNKirin.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp

HGECFighterDMB_BodyPiercings_2.esp

TrawlolsCorinthianGladiator.esp

Hentai_Apple.esp

HentaiDarkLilith.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

SnowAndHarukoCMPartners.esp

companion_Jezebeth.esp

A CM Partner - Rhiannon.esp

DAAnastasia.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Female NPCs.esp

TrawlolsCorinthianPitFighter.esp

ShaiyaOutfit.esp

alllll61-Saint Silver armor.esp

Sexual_Minotaur-Only_male.esp

Colourwheels Sexy Imperial Legion.esp

IvyArmor_Full.esp

Sexual_Spriggan.esp

No psychic guards v1.2.esp

MolagBalTreasury.esp

Sexual_ogre.esp

Companion_Ab_Human.esp

Companion_Ab_Human_3.esp

Kosai's Welkynd Armor.esp

DARaewyn.esp

DAValeriaCuteElf.esp

DAEva.esp

ClearGlassArmorSet.esp

eyja.esp

ArynnsDrowWitchHGEC.esp

DM-Lingerie.esp

Queensarmory.esp

Dark_Mistress.esp

A CM Partner - Caitlynn (Sonnet Remix).esp

Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp

Black Serenity.esp

ElvenPrincess.esp

DarkRoseSet.esp

EY_AoD.esp

R18PN - Amy Armor Set.esp

alllll61-Tiny Demon suit.esp

Mithris_HGEC.esp

Hentai_CerenityArmor.esp

Ageha Tortured Soul HGEC.esp

SexyKunoichi.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp

Brighter_Torches.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

Demon_Consort.esp

Sonia.esp

A CM Partner - Sah.esp

CM Audrey.esp

DAFeria.esp

DAEluna.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

DANecsKarla.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

DAKaleahSuccubus.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

BookTrackerOBSE.esp

RAEVWD Imperial City.esp

RAEVWD Cities.esp

RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp

ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp

ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp

ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp

ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts Visible From Cyrodiil.esp

SB IC Palace Tower Light Mod v1.1 - Modified Version.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_2.1.2_coloroverride.esp

NibenRiverFix.esp

Damsels_In_Distress.esp

YoungerNPCs.esp

Naughty_Joana_01.esp

CM_LoreleiU2.esp

ambreskav02.esp

P1DseeYouSleep.esp

Get Wet - just droplets.esp

Abigail2.esp

moDem's City Life.esp

CMChrysamste.esp

exhDual_Wield_Complete.esp

BasicInstinct.esp

sexycompanion.esp

Guard Sex.esp

Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp

Poseidon_ii_s Super Sexy CM Companion Pack NoMartialArt.esp

P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp

CM Eve.esp

Olivia01.esp

SeductiveIdles.esp

Friends&LoversEng.esp

sexdarkness_Eng_only_last.esp

SWalk.esp

 

 

As you can see most are texture replacers, or armor mods.

Recently i had started another game and i had no problems with the Thoronir dialogue, but i forgot which mod i added after that (and started a new game with).

 

Many thanks in advance.

[Maigrets]

Unfortunately, this is one of the many bugs in the vanilla game that can happen at random. Like a conversation between a certain abbreviated guy and a guard in Cheydinhal..always happened to me before I even discovered mods.

 

You could try going back to a previous save or starting the quest over again if the save isn't too far back.

 

I gather you mean the cinematic doesn't start where you cannot control your character and they just stand mute. If going back to previous saves doesn't work you could advance the question via the console.

 

The console command to do this is:

 

Setstage MS29 50

 

That will get you past the conversation and should update your quest page. Be careful doing this with some quests though. It can cause you not to get the reward and other glitches.

 

Other stages for this and other quests are at this page:

http://tes.ag.ru/oblivion/quests/ms.shtml#MS29

 

This is another useful page with common commands in case of trouble. Not necessarily for cheating but if you get stuck in the scenery...for example among other things.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Console

[LordEmm]

Maigrets, many thanks for your help again. After i posted i looked around some more in the forums and found a notice to a neat little program called Tes4Edit. I spent a lot of time reading up on it and now i am using it to "clean" all my mods. During that i noticed several things that have been problems in my games (such as suddenly different language appearing for some markers) and have been editing the mods carefully to see if that would help.

 

Now for the Thoronir problem, that was actually a funny case. It was Kendogirl conflicting with the Unofficial Shivering Isles patch. When i put Kendogirl before Shivering Isles (or disabled BOTH) then Thoronir would start the cinematic. Kendogirl seems to be full of these problems. It also conflicts with the Shivering Isles Quest starter ("A Mysterious Door" notice never appears with Kendogirl active).

 

So i used Tes4Edit to clean Kendogirl (twice!) of identical to master files. That fixed the Thoronir problem. Unfortunately not the SI problem. I had to remove the reference in Kendogirl by hand (something i am not sure i should do), but it worked.

 

So now i am on the hunt for other things like that. First of all cleaning all my mods, and then going into detail. So far i found one map marker, which was left in japanese in the mod, so it showed up all gibberish on the map (Sexydancer modified the Temple of the One). I hope i am not messing around too much, but i am just copying i the original reference names (which then makes it so that they are identical to master and can be cleaned out).

 

Now i am doing the Thieves Quest and when i had to ask a beggar for where Merendethel was she answered in gibberish. Well... on to the hunt for that (although i am very careful with quest things, that is probably a dialog somewhere, right? Just copy the original over it and i should be fine...)

 

Anyway, thanks again for the quick help. I am slowly learning how to use all the tools, like wyre bash, Tes4Edit, and of course Tes4CS more out of necessity than how to learn to mod. However it just may lead down that road ;)