South8028 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 11 hours ago, showler said: And you're basing that on Microsoft NOT wanting any of the massive amounts of money Bethesda has made with the franchise? Well, in general, yes... They don't care about people. They will make the same Starfield on ce2. But people will buy... They will cry, complain, but continue to eat the cactus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefttounge Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 23 hours ago, South8028 said: Well, they just need a new engine... (And a new writer). Retracing, auto-generation of LODs, animation combiner independent of 3D editors, built into ck, mesh optimization technology similar to Nanite, etc. After this it would make sense to talk about fo5. The main problem with ce is that it is Frankenstein. It has links to a bunch of technologies that do not belong to Bethesda, is assembled from pieces, requires third-party software, often expensive, or is completely closed. Next, Bethesda will face the same problems as the tank factory, which the new owner decided to convert into a truck factory. The problem is that it is much cheaper to build a new plant than to refurbish an old one. My opinion is that fo5 will no longer be released by Bethesda. Bethesda won't handle fo5. Yeah I have absolutely NO idea why they still insist on making games with that engine XD Bro didn't that thing come out in the late 80s??! And they're still using it in 2024!? They're psychotic dude! Bethesda is a crazy cult led by techno psychopaths They can't use that crap no more! I don't care about mods, if they can make a game so good, that it doesn't need mods. That's the purpose of making a game, you make it so that it's so good, you don't need to mod it. Modding is to make bad games good, or good games personalized. Not to fix a game that's so bad it shouldn've have been made like Starfield.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefttounge Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 21 hours ago, showler said: And you're basing that on Microsoft NOT wanting any of the massive amounts of money Bethesda has made with the franchise? It's tough to tell if they really are making Microsoft money, because surely they aren't if Starfield is trash, and they take close to a decade to make money. I think what it is a cult, where crazy people force themselves to buy their games, because they're nuts. Why is Elianora there again? She really needs to leave those people alone, no offense, but it just has to be said. Also, I didn't ask for a fallout show, I don't want that. I just want a game to play; I haven't watched television since 2012. Television is just not it no more, I play games, and look at youtube, but I don't even use cable, that's all my parents, they're the ones who watch tv XD Me the internet is my television. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) On 9/29/2024 at 7:29 PM, showler said: Pushed updates was one of the major selling points for Valve to convince publishers to put their games on Steam. Game companies are far more concerned with making sure people aren't using outdated versions of the game and the impact that has on support than they are about whether people's mods are causing issues. Pushed updates are pretty much mandatory for new games and multiplayer games - they really aren't necessary for 10 year old titles that are meant to be modded from day 1.  Moreover, when said updates pretty much destroy the status quo Bethesda themselves left for 9 years... Edited October 1 by fraquar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefttounge Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, fraquar said: Pushed updates are pretty much mandatory for new games and multiplayer games - they really aren't necessary for 10 year old titles that are meant to be modded from day 1.  Moreover, when said updates pretty much destroy the status quo Bethesda themselves left for 9 years... I mean I never update my fallout 4, and haven't in like half a decade, maybe more. As long as updates are turned off and you start using f4se then you're good. Actually tbh I haven't bought any game in a long time. The only game I bought was Hogwarts legacy, and boy was that a f*#@ing disappointment, and made me not want to buy anything else after that; it was boring, laggy, and just a literal honest to God theme park simulator. That's why I don't buy anything, no Assassin's Creed (though this samurai game they're making seems interesting, but not at full retail price) nothing. I just either play my fallout 4 and skyrim, or I leave off the computer and touch grass; painting, writing novels, getting drunk off my ass, anything but here XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaverage Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) Fallout 4 vanilla might not be the best game under the sun. The story telling is not best and the settlement system isn't either. But one should not forget that this game can be modded almost without restrictions and deep modding is possible. Even after the unlucky upgrade the game remains moddable as before. There are almost no games with the possibilties in modding and character creation like FO4. Not Starfield, not Cyberpunk (Skyrim perhaps). We all should be thankful for this. There are a lot of mods out there that would never be approved by Bethesta, Zenimaxx or Microsoft. With all these mods (thanks to the modders and community) the game is still alive after almost 9 years. Bethesda could have done better than Starfield, but we all should be thankful that unrestricted modding FO4 is still possible. Edited October 2 by subaverage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 You got 3 different genres of games here: Skyrim:  High fantasy with magic, a medieval setting with a VAST amount of lore. Fallout: Modern gameplay in a destroyed post-apocalyptic world where there really isn't any uniting to get the rebuilding process in full gear (and looking at the Commonwealth - in any gear). Starfield: Sci-fi, with an environment that needed to be build from the ground up.  They built Fallout in space.....  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaRi0 Posted Friday at 03:20 PM Share Posted Friday at 03:20 PM The thing was Bethesda like any other big gaming company is that many of the people who created games we loved like Skyrim and Fallout 4 are no longer working there. Its like Blizzard still pumping out crap for world of warcraft when most of the people that made that game are long gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
363rdChemicalCompany Posted Saturday at 10:39 AM Share Posted Saturday at 10:39 AM 19 hours ago, WaRi0 said: The thing was Bethesda like any other big gaming company is that many of the people who created games we loved like Skyrim and Fallout 4 are no longer working there. Its like Blizzard still pumping out crap for world of warcraft when most of the people that made that game are long gone. and this is what worries me. I worry that Bethesda simply isnt capable anymore of the level of work that made Fallout 3 and Fallout 4. Those people have mostly left. Not all but most. isnt it now just Todd and Emil left over form the old guard (Emil BTW is IMO a lot better than people give him credit for) ? So do we have enough of corporate "memory" left on how this is done? I dont know and I have my doubts becuase.. Starfield. In Starfield they failed at things they had done well in the past. They are pushing updates and addtions and maybe, just maybe, if we are lucky n 8 years we will be all talking about how great Starfield is. Maybe.. we dont know and can only hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb54 Posted Saturday at 09:10 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 09:10 PM 10 hours ago, 363rdChemicalCompany said: and this is what worries me. I worry that Bethesda simply isnt capable anymore of the level of work that made Fallout 3 and Fallout 4. Those people have mostly left. Not all but most. isnt it now just Todd and Emil left over form the old guard (Emil BTW is IMO a lot better than people give him credit for) ? So do we have enough of corporate "memory" left on how this is done? I dont know and I have my doubts becuase.. Starfield. In Starfield they failed at things they had done well in the past. They are pushing updates and addtions and maybe, just maybe, if we are lucky n 8 years we will be all talking about how great Starfield is. Maybe.. we dont know and can only hope. Fallout 4 - Fallout 76 - Starfield are SOLID PROOF that Bethesda no longer can tell stories and/or create solid Quest Lines. That is why I'm not wanting to see Elder Scroll IV ... We will have Elder Scrolls - meet - Sim City as they did and failed with FALLOUT 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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