Unable to remove endorsement after beeing blocked?

[NexBeth]

3 hours ago, eledin said:

Some kind of servicedesk for dealing with this type of situations. Redirecting people to the suggestion board and say "go there and who knows? Maybe you get lucky" is not the most professional way of dealing with the user's problems on your platform. This is basically the same as giving an ipad to your kid when you don't want to deal with him. 

It is not a service desk or troubleshooting problem.  As the policy stands now, "Not being able to interact with a mod in any way when you've been blocked is intentional."   

He is suggesting to you to add your concerns about this to a Suggestion area (not a bug fix report).

Generally, the criteria for endorsement is different for every user.  Not every user, nor mod author, feels that an endorsement should be reflective of meeting the personal criterion of individual users.  And personal dissatisfaction of the MA may not be considered a reasonable criterion for removing an endorsement after a user lock-out.

Also, the posts sections for many MAs are not necessarily an invitation for unsolicited criticism.  If the MA has the Bug section open, and there are problems with the mod, that might be the best place if there is something wrong with the mod.  Some MA's invite constructive criticism but if they don't, why enforce it?  Why give it?

[cyan49]

3 hours ago, NexBeth said:

Generally, the criteria for endorsement is different for every user.  Not every user, nor mod author, feels that an endorsement should be reflective of meeting the personal criterion of individual users.

Right, to me endorsement is just an ancient system for getting a mod listed in Trending Mods (previously called Hot Files), and after the first week it only means the same as the number of downloads. First of all, most people don't use the endorse button. This is why mod authors remind users about endorsements in sticky posts, send notifications to users on their Discord, and moderate negative comments on the mod page, because by the time users receive an endorsement reminder from Nexus, the first week may have passed.

[Lollia]

3 hours ago, cyan49 said:

This is why mod authors remind users about endorsements in sticky posts, send notifications to users on their Discord, and moderate negative comments on the mod page, because by the time users receive an endorsement reminder from Nexus, the first week may have passed.

As an introvert, reminding people to Endorse always seemed rather forward and pushy to me, so point 1 is not practiced. As for point 2, I rarely use Discord and do not possess a channel of my own, and even if I did, the very thought of sending notifications out to Endorse is making me wince. No wonder I rarely get featured!

[RomanR]

5 hours ago, Lollia said:

As an introvert, reminding people to Endorse always seemed rather forward and pushy to me, so point 1 is not practiced. As for point 2, I rarely use Discord and do not possess a channel of my own, and even if I did, the very thought of sending notifications out to Endorse is making me wince. No wonder I rarely get featured!

Beginner modders are often depressed over lack of endorsements, but as I saw even most famous mods often rarely exceeds 1:10 ratio of endorsements/downloads (it can be a little less or more). The most important thing about modding is to have fun. If you're feeling that it's just another work to do or you're thinking that you must please everyone, your interest will wane quickly and in the end it will be only another source of frustration. Rather think this way that even one endorsement means that you made someone happy and for that it was worth it. 

[showler]

Possibly unpopular opinion, but: If you endorse a mod, then get in a tiff with the author, does that make the mod less good than when you endorsed it?

 

[NexBeth]

3 hours ago, showler said:

Possibly unpopular opinion, but: If you endorse a mod, then get in a tiff with the author, does that make the mod less good than when you endorsed it?

Just might be the reason Nexus isn't going to intervene in what amounts to a personal tiff.

[eledin]

5 hours ago, showler said:

Possibly unpopular opinion, but: If you endorse a mod, then get in a tiff with the author, does that make the mod less good than when you endorsed it?

 

Yes, it does. Let me give you a real example (in fact what happened to me). I initially endorsed, because i was having some fun. Then went to the forum and added some positive criticism, since i was having no fun at all (ex: quest directions not clear and so on). Then he blocked me.

So, unless there is a rule that says you should only endorse if you play the mod from the start to finish, it is absolutely possible and reasonable that one wants to remove an endorsement previously given. Actually, that is why you CAN do that (when not blocked) as many times as you want.

[eledin]

18 hours ago, NexBeth said:

Also, the posts sections for many MAs are not necessarily an invitation for unsolicited criticism.  If the MA has the Bug section open, and there are problems with the mod, that might be the best place if there is something wrong with the mod.  Some MA's invite constructive criticism but if they don't, why enforce it?  Why give it?

The bug section is for bugs. As a software developer myself, i know exactly the difference. You don't post suggestions on the bug section.

If the MA has issues with criticism, he/she should lock/disable the posts section. Of course, he/she is free to block users (even if unjustified), but personally, i always expect that i'm talking with an adult on the other side. Not a child that doesn't handle the lightest form of criticism. 

Finally, there is the technical question of the endorsements. They, for instance, count to put your mod on the trend list. And of course, what is an endorsement is very clear.

https://help.nexusmods.com/article/45-what-are-file-endorsements

So, i'm sorry, but i really don't understand how you can defend this. Blocking a user from removing endorsements, even if blocked, is fundamental. And again, as a software developer, my sincere guess is that this was more of an overlook that a decision taken after clear consideration of the side effects (as the moderator was trying to imply).  

[NexBeth]

I'm pointing out that MA's have varying objectives about what they want appearing on their mod pages. Largely Mod Pages are promotional opportunities for the MA to present their works.  How many promotional materials have you ever seen containing "constructive criticisms"??  I'm suggesting that "constructive criticism" might well be something that most MA's don't solicited and don't want on their mod pages.  And Nexus affords MAs the right to decide the content of their own pages within Nexus rules, of course.   So, what is the point of posting unsolicited user critiques publicly on the MA's page?  

Nexus has determined that it's not going to intervene in this issue and has given you a suggestion about what you may do about it if you wish to influence that policy.  

 

[eledin]

38 minutes ago, NexBeth said:

I'm pointing out that MA's have varying objectives about what they want appearing on their mod pages. Largely Mod Pages are promotional opportunities for the MA to present their works.  How many promotional materials have you ever seen containing "constructive criticisms"??  I'm suggesting that "constructive criticism" might well be something that most MA's don't solicited and don't want on their mod pages.  And Nexus affords MAs the right to decide the content of their own pages within Nexus rules, of course.   So, what is the point of posting unsolicited user critiques publicly on the MA's page?  

Nexus has determined that it's not going to intervene in this issue and has given you a suggestion about what you may do about it if you wish to influence that policy.  

 

I believe you already made exactly the same points on your previous post, so i fail to see the reason behind this last one. You clearly didn't engage with my arguments. 

Just one note:

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Largely Mod Pages are promotional opportunities for the MA to present their works.  How many promotional materials have you ever seen containing "constructive criticisms"?? 

The best ones. It shows that you are humble, open to discussion and open to criticisms, open to change your mind and improve by external feedback. Those are, by the way, some soft skills that are on the top list to any good recruiter (personal experience).