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mwpeck Apprentice

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Initially posted this in the Mod Troubleshooting forum, but that may not be the right place, so here goes:

 

Long story short, I've had random CTDs for quite awhile with under 80 mods (I've read of people having 100+ and no issues). I am new to troubleshooting Skyrim issues (not new to modding, just fed up with the issues that can arise from it) so I don't know if this can easily be fixed or anything.

 

Installed Mods IN INSTALLATION ORDER:

 

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Here's my ESP load order, ordered by BOSS (except for 'Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp', as BOSS doesn't know the file so I decided to load it right after the other Immersive Armor 7 ESP):

 

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After finally figuring out how to enable Papyrus logging and inspecting my log after a crash (played for about 2 hours off and on, minimizing and maximizing the game a couple times over the play session), here is the result (or at least the actions that happened right before the CTD):

 

 

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From my experience/knowledge with modding, I know all the SkyRe scripts/formIDs/etc are prefixed with 'xxx'. What I do not know, is if this error is the cause for the crash, considering other similar errors (Unable to call <function> - no native object bound...) happen further up in the log without crashing the game.

 

Is there any way I can further diagnose and/or fix the issue?

 

Is there something I'm missing?

 

I have not tried checking for conflicts with Wrye Bash, but from reading the mods I have, none of them should conflict each other.....all but two of the ESPs have been cleaned with TES5Edit, they are 'Extra Encounters - Dawnguard.esp' and 'Sneak Settings.esp'.

ripple Grand Master

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Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp

Should be loaded before the main IA plugin (but this is not related to your CTDs). The Papyrus is not a 'crash log', so don't read it as such. Also, you should not clean every plugin, only those flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edits' (and where the author has not stated they are 'intentional'). Repeat cleaning of plugins has been reported to cause mysterious record deletions on rare occasions (meaning that if a mod author has already cleaned the plugin, the user should not do it again).

 

1) Post a complete BOSS log, with all the messages.

 

2) Describe your random CTDs in greater detail: when/where/what were you doing or what was going on.

 

3) Have you made any tweaks to the game ini files?

 

4) List your system specs.

mwpeck Apprentice

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I stated the bit about cleaning wrongly....what I meant is all of them that BOSS said had dirty edits and needed cleaning (with the exception of the two I listed), have been cleaned.....I did not go through and just randomly clean every single ESP. One specific case where I know I wrongly cleaned a file is Guard Dialog Overhaul, I cleaned it before the author added the bit about not cleaning the file despite BOSS flagging it dirty, and just never reinstalled it.

 

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2) They can be as common as 20 minutes after I start playing, to 2-3 hours after I start playing.

  • It seems a lot of them happen when I am in the Skyrim exterior cell, but that could be coincidence (and maybe even a consequence) of it being a much larger worldspace than interior cells. As most of the crashes happen outside, they tend to happen when I am traveling either on foot or shortly after fast traveling.
  • I have had a few crashes that happened shortly after fights, but I can't recall any specific times that it has happened during a fight....most recently it crashed right after I killed a dragon, but it has crashed shortly after killing random cultists or bandits, and other times where it has crashed and I haven't fought for quite awhile.

3) I did make some tweaks, I used someones pre-configured INIs, modified for my system, I may change to EWIs INIs and see if they work better.

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ripple Grand Master

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1) Are there any specific reasons you didn't clean the two plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edits'?

 

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  On 1/26/2014 at 10:08 PM, mwpeck said:

 

3) I did make some tweaks, I used someones pre-configured INIs, modified for my system, I may change to EWIs INIs and see if they work better.

This is probably the major contributor to your game instability. You are running above default ugridstoload value and some of the ini settings have been assigned 'absurdly high' values, like these

fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=9999999.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=9999999.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=999999.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=999999.0000
I advise you to delete these ini files, and let the game generate new ones on next launch, so all of the settings will revert to default values (then re-add only ini tweaks explicitly stated as necessary by whatever mod that requires them). The default game ini settings are optimized for 'stability.' Ini settings intended to boost 'performance' or address trivial graphic glitches (like distant LOD 'pop in's'), usually recommend by 'tweak guides' floating around the interwebs, often sacrifice 'stability.' 
 
3) If you are going to take 10 minute breaks, you might as well as quit the game rather than minimize it (in fact, I never minimize the game, and I know some users with heavily modded Skyrim setups have reported experiencing CTDs merely from attempting to do so).


			
				


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1) No specific reason, just haven't gotten around to cleaning them yet.
 
2) After posting the above, I backed-up the configs I was running and replaced them with ewi's configs which get rid of some of the absurdly high values and may be overall more stable for me (I think the ones I was running were someones modifications they had made to ewi's configs, as a lot was the same but with some potentially important differences).
 
3) I'm sure it's better off, I just hate how long it takes Skyrim to launch and load back into the game.....though with dual monitors there is a bug where when I maximize the game, I have to click back off onto my second monitor then back onto the full-screen game window to get the game back into focus. I also tend to minimize to check up on things (which I could probably do through the Steam web browser while in-game) or sometimes take care of something over my network (which only takes a minute or two).
 
I'll give it a try with my recent changes, and do my best to minimize as little as possible and see how that goes, if it still doesn't work I'll revert my configs back to the basics and see if it helps.
 
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