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So pretty much yeah, been messing around with some mods lately and now I'm getting random CTD about every 10-15 minutes in. I thought it was an issue with the ENB I was using so I uninstalled that and the problem persists, so I know it's a mod issue. Could be something with texture mods I'm using or maybe an incompatibility somewhere. Looking for some modding expertise. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

 

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You have a lot of dirty edits, so it's a good idea to clean them all. Some people have found that simply cleaning all the dirty mods stabilised their games.

Frostfall alone was enough to turn my stable game (little to no stuttering, 2+ hours of playing with 120 mods, quit rather than crashed) into a mess (constant stuttering, crashed after 20mins) so you may want to look at that. Another thing to look at are mods that add loads of NPCs, such as the 'Immersive' .esps, as Skyrim is limited in what it can do, and having so many NPCs it has to keep an eye on can cause issues.

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What the above poster said is correct, particularly about cleaning your mods, and also about running lots mods that add NPCs, especially when also running lots of mods that add scripts to NPCs...

 

When you use a mod that affixes scripts to NPCs, (i.e. Footprints, Enhance Blood, Run For Your Lives, etc.) it affixes them to ALL NPCs, even new ones added by other mods. So when you walk into a large town or city, you get an influx of tons of scripts running on tons of NPCs and sometimes HELLO! You're magically planted back at the desktop. (The more NPC adding mods you have, the more people, the more scripts, and so on.) So it's good to be selective when installing those types of things. In other words, try not to have 15 different mods all adding NPCs to the same places.

 

That said, a CTD after approximately the same amount of time could also be a script spamming - And in this case logging might be able to help you track it down.

 

If you end up with an enormous log file where you see one script over and over, that could be your culprit. (It's probably also worth noting it can even be a vanilla one.) (Which doesn't make it easy to solve, unfortunately.) But it's a good place to start looking.

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So I cleaned my mods, and still crashed. Those NPC esms are all from one single mod dudes, it doesn't add THAT many NPCs, It's called Immersive Patrols, and I have been playing for a while with it activated with no problems. I'm almost positive the problem is 2 or more mods that aren't compatible with each other, I just need to figure out which ones.

 

So how do I make a log file to see if there's something wrong?

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Also was thinking it could be a load order issue that BOSS can't sort out.. if anyone knows of anything let me know, please and thanks!

 

 

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Post your papyrus log.

 

Also, it is probably faster to use the Method of Halving for finding the problematic mod than just posting your load order and asking someone to magically know the answer.

 

Method of Halving (recursive procedure):

Step 1: Disable half of the ESPs you have enabled (treating multiple ESPs associated with a single mod as a single ESP).

Step 2: Start Skyrim (new game preferably, with alternate start for fast start and testing). If you still experience a CTD the problematic mod is one of the ones you still have enabled. If you don't experience a CTD the problematic mod is one of the ones you disabled.

Step 3: If you still experienced a CTD, proceed back to Step 1, else disable the ESPs you have enabled and enable the ones you previously disabled, then proceed back to Step 1.

 

E.g.

1. I have 150 ESPs. I experience a CTD when all the mods are enabled, and I don't experience a CTD when they're all disabled.

2. I disable ESPs 76-150.

3. I no longer get a CTD. The issue was in the ESPs I disabled. (76-150)

4. I re-enable ESPs 76-150 and disable ESPs 1-75.

5. I disable ESPs 76 - 112.

6. I experience a CTD. The issue is in the mods still enabled. (113-150)

7. I disable ESPs 113-126.

8. I no longer get a CTD. The issue was in the ESPs I disabled. (113-126)

9. I re-enable ESPs 113-126 and disable ESPs 127-150.

10. I disable ESPs 113-119.

11. I experience a CTD. The issue is in the ESPs still enabled. (120-126)

12. I disable ESPs 120-123.

13. I no longer get a CTD. The issue is in the ESPs I disabled (120-123)

14. I re-enable ESPs 120-123 and disable ESPs 124-126.

15. I disable ESPs 120 and 121.

16. I no longer get a CTD. The issue is in either ESP 120 or 121.

17. I re-enable ESPs 120 and 121 and disable ESPs 122 and 123.

18. I disable ESP 120.

19. I get a CTD. ESP 121 is the only mod active. Therefore it must be the culprit.

 

 

Overall you start Skyrim a total of 8 times, counting the test where you try to play with no mods enabled and don't get any CTDs.

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