JordanJ Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 And yet again I come running to the Nexus forums for help... My game is heavily modded. Just a day or two ago it was stable, if a bit laggy (fine in small interior cells but performance dropped vastly once I entered the wilderness or busy cells like Whiterun), but it's come apart again. I'm getting consistent CTDs on startup now--the game won't load at all. I'll see the dragon logo for a split second before the window disappears. Before then, I would get CTD when I hit ESC, when I loaded a save, or when I started a new savefile. It varied, depending on how I tried to fix the problem. I've not been able to get it running at all. I've done everything I know how to do--BOSS sorting, TES5Edit cleaning, and starting entire new savegames when I made any adjustments to my load order. I've tried my best to keep up good and safe modding practices, I've read extensively about what and what not to do, but as I'm not what you might consider an advanced user of mods I suppose it's inevitable that I would run into problems. I've heard Merged Patches (as opposed to Bashed Patches which are apparently unreliable for Skyrim) are a good way to improve performance with lots of mods but I'm not entirely certain how these work or which mods to merge. If someone could explain to me which mods need to go into a Merged Patch, I'd appreciate it. Automatic Variants had given me trouble before, so I tried uninstalling it, to no avail. Re-running the AV patcher after adjusting mods/load order also did not help. My specs are:OS: MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1CPU: Intel Core i5 2500k @ 3.30 ghzRAM: 8GGPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 580 Here's my load order. I'm also using ENB. Skyrim.esmUpdate.esmUnofficial Skyrim Patch.espDawnguard.esmUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.espHearthFires.esmUnofficial Hearthfire Patch.espDragonborn.esmUnofficial Dragonborn Patch.espFalskaar.esmWyrmstooth.espAzarHair.esmClimatesOfTamriel.esmJSwords.esmLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esmSkyMoMod.esmSPIKE.esmChesko_Frostfall.espBetter Dynamic Snow.espCutting Room Floor.espStaticMeshImprovementMod.espStaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.espStaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.espPrometheus_BeastSkeletons.espBirdsHFclean.espBring Out Your Dead.espChesko_WearableLantern.espfine goods from morrowind.espHunterborn.espHunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.espHunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.espImmersive Patrols Merged All.espPoint The Way.espReal Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.espSkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Purist No Dragons.espSkyrim Flora Overhaul.espWetandCold.espWetandCold - Ashes.espDestructible_bottles.espCharacter Creation Overhaul.espChesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.espJSwords_Load_Screens.espRaceMenu.espRaceMenuPlugin.espnem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.espSkyUI.espAMB Glass Variants Lore.espBloodWitchArmor.espBosmerArmorMATY743.espBoundArmors.espCloaks.espDaedricCrossbow.espdragonpriestmasks.espFS_UltimateAssortment.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espImmersive Weapons.espimperialrobes.espInsanity's Daedric Sword.espInsanity's Glass Bow.espInsanity's Glass Sword.espInsanity's Goldbrand.espInsanity's Steel Shortsword.espInsanity's Umbra Sword.espisilNarsil.espJSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.espLadyKdCirclets.espkonahrik_accoutrements.espkonahrik_accoutrements_db.espLeftHandRings.espLeftHandRings - Dawnguard.espLongbows&Crossbows.espLongbows.espLongbowsLOTRpatch.espLongbowsIWpatch.espLongbowsDG.espLongbowsDB.espLongbowFS.espMavari Armor.espStormLord.espDr_Bandolier.espComplete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.espLock Overhaul.espDeadlyDragons.espSkyRe_Main.espSkyRe_Combat.espSkyRe_EncounterZones.espSkyRe_EnemyAI.espSkyRe_EnemyScaling.espSkyRe_StandingStones.espSkyRe_Survivalism.espkonahrik_accoutrements_SkyRe.espUnique Uniques.espSkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.espCastleVolkiharImmersive.espConan_Hyborian_Age.espGildergreen Regrown.espHighlyVisibleCrimsonNirnroots.espInconsequential NPCs.espMarkarth_plus.espneaextbromjunaar.espOBIS.espOBISDB.espRun For Your Lives.espWhen Vampires Attack.espSaltMines.espSpidercraft - TheGreyLight.espThe Paarthurnax Dilemma.espWrath Of Nature.espBetterQuestObjectives.espBetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.espBetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.espBetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.espBetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.espBook Covers Skyrim.espBR_HoodCirclets.espCCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.espCCO - Permanent Birthsigns.espCivil War Repairs.espCivil War Overhaul.espDifferently Ebony.espGuard Dialogue Overhaul.espImmersiveFP.espLawrens RNG Guards.espSFO - Dragonborn.espSFO - Expanded Diversity.espConvenient Horses.espdD - Enhanced Blood Main.espTheChoiceIsYours.espTheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.espTimingIsEverything.espBetterQuestObjectives-TimingIsEverythingPatch.espskyforgedWeapons.espaMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.espRiverwoodEnhancedPlugin.espTAVERiften.espTAVESolitude.espTAVEWindhelm.espL0S and TaVE patch.espWhiterunInEnhanced.espTamriel Reloaded.espOblivion Gates in Cities.espSoS - The Dungeons.espSoS - The Wilds.espSoS - Civilization.espBetter Vampires.espBrevi_MoonlightTales.espESFCompanions.espBetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.espBetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.espShenkThieveryOverhaul.espprivate_nokillblur_test.espCCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.espStavesofSkyrim.espLovelyHairstylesLITE.espTheEyesOfBeauty.espThe Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp3DNPC.espRealisticNeedsandDiseases.espRND_Dawnguard-Patch.espRND_HearthFires-Patch.espRND_Dragonborn-Patch.espHunterborn_RND-Patch.espRND_USKP-Patch.espAtvir.espEMCompViljaSkyrim.espEMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.espNonEssentialChildren.espBetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.espAmazingFollowerTweaks.espBetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.espmjhKhajiitSpeak.espmjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dawnguard.espmjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Hearthfire.espmjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dragonborn.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Convenient Horses.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Cutting Room Floor.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Inconsequential NPCs.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - NPC Bartering.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Realistic Needs And Diseases.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Choice Is Yours.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Paarthurnax Dilemma.espAlternate Start - Live Another Life.espBetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.espHeight Adjusted Races with True Giants.espargonianraptor.espCCO - Diverse Races And Genders.espdD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.espSkyRe_Races.espWATER.espWATER Plants.espWATER DG.espWATER DB Waves.espWATER Falskaar.espBarenziahQuestMarkers.espDragonPriestMaskQuestMarkers.espBashed Patch, 0.espAutomatic Variants.espReProccer.espRND_AnimalLoot.espTeldryn Sero Fix.espKhalSpellmakingMod.espHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.espNatural Lighting and Atmospherics v1.2.espEquipping Overhaul.espAuto Unequip Ammo.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidzebra Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 First off, CTD on startup usually is indicative of a missing master for one of your mods. The easiest way (for me) is to start up Wrye Bash and check. See also http://wryemusings.com/Wrye%20Bash.html As for merged/bashed patches, these are used to resolve mod conflicts with regards to load orders, enchanted item lists, NPCs, factions and more. It won't really improve "performance" I think but it will certainly make your game run more as intended. For instance, if you have two mods altering the bandit leveled lists, normally only the last loaded mod will get to write its changes and you'll miss out on content you wanted. Wrye Bash can generated a bashed patch, which deals with leveled lists exclusively. They are perfectly reliable. Tes5edit creates merged patches, which has more records but may need review before loading. First, load Wrye and right-click the bashed patch0.esp and rebuild patch. Should not take long. Activate at the bottom of your load order, before any skyproc patches. Merged patch: next load up all your active mods minus any skyproc patches in tes5edit, wait for it to finish loading, right-click in the mod list > other > create merged patch (or some text like that). Should take a while and appear at the bottom of your mod list when done. Review entries and conflict resolution for validity and desirability. Close and save, give it a nice name like tes5merged. Activate after the bashed batch, before any skyproc patches. Then run all your skyproc stuff and activate, preferably with SUM if you have multiple skyproc patchers. Ultimately your load order should be [RANDOM MODS SORTED BY BOSS/HAND-SORTED]Bashed patchMerged patchSkyproc patches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanJ Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Thanks for your time. :) Most of my mods are recognized by BOSS. There are only about seven or eight that aren't being recognized and are being dumped at the bottom of the load list, if that helps any. As far as I can tell, Wrye Bash isn't detecting any real problems... Though a few of the boxes in the list are orange. When I click Rebuild Patch, it tells me there is a Delinquent Master Error with Longbows&Crossbows.esp. I've seen that before... Moving that file after all the other files for the Longbows mod seems to fix it, but BOSS keeps putting it back at the top for some reason. Only two files are able to be bashed, according to the program. Nevertheless I've done it anyway. But when the program builds the patch, it spits out this error: Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp: Unexpected subrecord: 'COBJ.CIS2'Error loading 'COBJ' record and/or subrecord: 0200AB72 eid = u'IARHeroicStormcloakHelmet' subrecord = 'CIS2' subrecord size = 17 file pos = 477699Error in Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp I'm afraid I don't know what it means :( Creating the merged patch causes this to appear in the loader window: [0804B19B] <Error: Could not be resolved> Otherwise, I was able to create and activate the patch. I've ordered them as you instructed. But there's still no change, still a CTD on startup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidzebra Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Okay, first things first, you will need to manually place those mods BOSS doesn't recognise. Find somewhere that seems logical. Consider installing Boss Userlist Manager (BUM) to create rules for unrecognised mods - it'll make your life easier, especially when running skyproc patches which in turn run BOSS. Something is fishy with your longbows mods, are you using the latest version from http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/29950(I don't run this mod myself so can't really help there - the master sort ordering is quite important, if a mod being loaded is trying to access a master that isn't there or gets loaded later, crash city. Try updating or asking on the mod page. As a test disable ALL the longbow mods and see if your skyrim starts up) I have the latest IA myself and don't get this error at all - I'm kind of wondering whether your file may have been corrupted by overzealous cleaning? Try installing a fresh copy and try again. And for the last problem, it's complaining about a record in the 8th mod in your load order, so if you have wrye open, mod listed as 08. Something wrong with it, again, possibly overzealous cleaning or corrupted in some way. Try replacing it with a fresh copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanJ Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 OK, so I deactivated all my mods except for the official DLCs, and I was still getting a CTD on startup. I'm going to try reinstalling the game. I didn't want to do that because it takes ages, but I don't think I really have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanJ Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 OK, so I reinstalled the game and all the addons and it's back up and running, but its performance is terrible. I tried installing HialgoBoost but it doesn't seem to have done anything, except put a watermark in the corner of my screen. Framerate is terrible and the visuals pixelate when I move the camera. It's all right if I'm still, in the menu, or talking to an NPC, but if I move or even look around it chugs like hell. Any suggestions? It's possible my PC just needs an upgrade as I'm aware my equipment is no longer cutting edge. Also, there seems to be some sort of problem with SkyUI as I'm not seeing the MCM in the game menu... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbyssalKoA Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 What mods are you running? (Put them in a spoiler tag, in order, please) Are you running an ENB? What lighting mods are you running? What textures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanJ Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 My load order: Skyrim.esmUpdate.esmUnofficial Skyrim Patch.espDawnguard.esmUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.espHearthFires.esmUnofficial Hearthfire Patch.espDragonborn.esmUnofficial Dragonborn Patch.espFalskaar.esmWyrmstooth.espAzarHair.esmClimatesOfTamriel.esmJSwords.esmLanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esmSkyMoMod.esmSPIKE.esmChesko_Frostfall.espBetter Dynamic Snow.espCutting Room Floor.espStaticMeshImprovementMod.espStaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.espStaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.espAuto Unequip Ammo.espPrometheus_BeastSkeletons.espBirdsHFclean.espBring Out Your Dead.espChesko_WearableLantern.espfine goods from morrowind.espHunterborn.espHunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.espHunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.espImmersive Patrols Merged All.espPoint The Way.espReal Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures.espSkyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.espSkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Purist No Dragons.espSkyrim Flora Overhaul.espWetandCold.espWetandCold - Ashes.espDestructible_bottles.espCharacter Creation Overhaul.espChesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.espJSwords_Load_Screens.espRaceMenu.espRaceMenuPlugin.espnem-e5i5's RaceMenuPlugin.espSkyUI.espAMB Glass Variants Lore.espBloodWitchArmor.espBosmerArmorMATY743.espBoundArmors.espCloaks.espDaedricCrossbow.espdragonpriestmasks.espFS_UltimateAssortment.espHothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.espHothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.espImmersive Weapons.espimperialrobes.espInsanity's Daedric Sword.espInsanity's Glass Bow.espInsanity's Glass Sword.espInsanity's Goldbrand.espInsanity's Steel Shortsword.espInsanity's Umbra Sword.espisilNarsil.espJSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.espLadyKdCirclets.espkonahrik_accoutrements.espkonahrik_accoutrements_db.espLeftHandRings.espLeftHandRings - Dawnguard.espLongbows.espLongbowsDG.espLongbowsDB.espLongbowFS.espMavari Armor.espStormLord.espDr_Bandolier.espComplete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.espLock Overhaul.espDeadlyDragons.espSkyRe_Main.espSkyRe_Combat.espSkyRe_EncounterZones.espSkyRe_EnemyAI.espSkyRe_EnemyScaling.espSkyRe_StandingStones.espSkyRe_Survivalism.espkonahrik_accoutrements_SkyRe.espLongbowsSkyRe.espLongbowsSkyReIWpatch.espLongbowsSkyReLOTRpatch.espUnique Uniques.espSkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.espCastleVolkiharImmersive.espConan_Hyborian_Age.espGildergreen Regrown.espHighlyVisibleCrimsonNirnroots.espInconsequential NPCs.espMarkarth_plus.espneaextbromjunaar.espOBIS.espOBISDB.espRun For Your Lives.espWhen Vampires Attack.espSaltMines.espSpidercraft - TheGreyLight.espThe Paarthurnax Dilemma.espWrath Of Nature.espBetterQuestObjectives.espBetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.espBetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.espBetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.espBetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.espBook Covers Skyrim.espBR_HoodCirclets.espCCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.espCCO - Permanent Birthsigns.espCivil War Repairs.espCivil War Overhaul.espDifferently Ebony.espGuard Dialogue Overhaul.espImmersiveFP.espLawrens RNG Guards.espSFO - Dragonborn.espSFO - Expanded Diversity.espConvenient Horses.espdD - Enhanced Blood Main.espTheChoiceIsYours.espTheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.espTimingIsEverything.espBetterQuestObjectives-TimingIsEverythingPatch.espskyforgedWeapons.espaMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.espRiverwoodEnhancedPlugin.espTAVERiften.espTAVESolitude.espTAVEWindhelm.espL0S and TaVE patch.espWhiterunInEnhanced.espTamriel Reloaded.espOblivion Gates in Cities.espSoS - The Dungeons.espSoS - The Wilds.espSoS - Civilization.espBetter Vampires.espBrevi_MoonlightTales.espESFCompanions.espBetterQuestObjectives-AMBSkyforgePatch.espBetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.espShenkThieveryOverhaul.espprivate_nokillblur_test.espCCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.espStavesofSkyrim.espLovelyHairstylesLITE.espTheEyesOfBeauty.espThe Eyes Of Beauty - Elves Edition.esp3DNPC.espRealisticNeedsandDiseases.espRND_AnimalLoot.espRND_Dawnguard-Patch.espRND_HearthFires-Patch.espRND_Dragonborn-Patch.espHunterborn_RND-Patch.espRND_USKP-Patch.espAtvir.espEMCompViljaSkyrim.espEMViljaInSolstheimAddOn.espNonEssentialChildren.espBetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.espAmazingFollowerTweaks.espBetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.espmjhKhajiitSpeak.espmjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dawnguard.espmjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Hearthfire.espmjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dragonborn.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Convenient Horses.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Cutting Room Floor.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Inconsequential NPCs.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - NPC Bartering.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Realistic Needs And Diseases.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Choice Is Yours.espmjhKhajiitSpeakMod - The Paarthurnax Dilemma.espAlternate Start - Live Another Life.espBetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.espHeight Adjusted Races with True Giants.espargonianraptor.espCCO - Diverse Races And Genders.espdD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.espSkyRe_Races.espWATER.espWATER Plants.espWATER DG.espWATER DB Waves.espWATER Falskaar.espBarenziahQuestMarkers.espDragonPriestMaskQuestMarkers.espTeldryn Sero Fix.espKhalSpellmakingMod.espNatural Lighting and Atmospherics v1.2.espEquipping Overhaul.espAutomatic Variants.espBashed Patch, 0.espTes5EditMERGED.espReProccer.esp I'm using ENB, with the Natural Lighting and Atmospheric preset from the Nexus. Quite a few high-res texture mods. I didn't have as much trouble running the game until it started crashing, though performance was slow in busy cells, but now it's worse than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbyssalKoA Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Looks like you have quite a few script-heavy mods. Piling those up with an ENB and High-Res textures would cause a performance hit. I don't know about the crashes - Could just be your Skyrim reaching the memory limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbyssalKoA Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Why don't you try and back up your game files, then go through playing a less modded game for a few minutes. See if that helps. If you want your game to stay pretty but still increase performance, I'd try and see if removing heavily scripted mods first. Make sure that when you do run this new trial, do it on a new save. Scripts like to linger on old saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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