I need help troubleshooting this crash

[Raygens]

I've tried isolating the problem of my crashes, and found even if I only have fallout3.esm ticked, it still crashes as soon as I press "continue" or try to load a different savegame.

 

Again, I cannot load or continue my game, this just happened suddenly one day and then I had decided to clean up my mod list, thinking that the mods were the source of the problem. I then tried isolating the problem, and found that they aren't. Even only with Fallout3.esm ticked, it still crashes after the loading screen when I select continue or load. Any additional things I have installed are the unofficial fallout 3 patch (version 3808) and the razor1911 patch + crack v1.1.0.35. Other than that, there is nothing else that I know of. It just somehow crashes to the desktop, without any warnings or errors popping up, it just crashes.

 

 

I've spent the past 5 hours trying to look for the problem and I've honestly got no idea left. I've tried uninstalling and installing, then reinstalling mods that I've had, but they turned out not to be the problem.

I'm just wondering if theres anybody whose had this problem and somehow fixed it. And just in case, I'll give the list from my fomm for those of you who are still thinking a mod may be causing this.

 

 

 

Fallout3.esm

CALIBR.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

RTS.esm

COMM.esm

Anchorage.esm

PointLookout.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

WastelandSettler02Armor.esp

CrossRepairWeapons.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp

Owned!.esp

BuildableBots v0.3a.esp

RTS_Life_Of_Raider_Addon.esp

Sprint Mod.esp

Classic Fallout Weapons BETA.esp

Uber Dogmeat.esp

Fellout-Full.esp

Fellout-SOTD.esp

Fellout-pipboylight.esp

Fellout-Anchorage.esp

Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp

DanWessonPPC357(CALIBR).esp

GalaxyNewsRadio40[M].esp

NAPA.esp

MTC Wasteland Travellers (Optional)- Crowded Cities.esp

MTC Wasteland Travellers (Optional)- Crowded Cities less NPCs.esp

TRG.esp

CrossRepairArmor.esp

Expanded Megaton House V3.esp

Wattz Laser Pistols Mod.esp

AchillesRifle.esp

Wattz Laser Weapons Mod.esp

Wattz Laser Non Replacer Mod.esp

Trader100%Repair.esp

sunglassescollection.esp

VltorSBR.esp

meagaton_house_armory.esp

Weapon - Some Katanas.esp

Project-Valhalla.esp

MTC Wasteland Travellers.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Feral Ghoul Rampage.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Corpse Flies.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Ghoul Raise.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Geckos.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Wanamingos.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Floaters.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Skeleton Decay.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp

 

Total active plugins: 61

Total plugins: 73

 

 

Again, I cannot load or continue my game, this just happened suddenly one day and then I had decided to clean up my mod list, thinking that the mods were the source of the problem. I then tried isolating the problem, and found that they aren't. Even only with Fallout3.esm ticked, it still crashes after the loading screen when I select continue or load. Any additional things I have installed are the unofficial fallout 3 patch (version 3808) and the razor1911 patch + crack v1.1.0.35. Other than that, there is nothing else that I know of. It just somehow crashes to the desktop, without any warnings or errors popping up, it just crashes.

 

I would really appreciate anybody's help, because at this point, I have no choice but to give up on the game, even after so many hours of time put into it.. (which is honestly, like a gigantic foot kicking me right in the nutsack, not to mention I'll have nothing left to do for the rest of my summer.)

 

 

Thanks to everybody whose willing to help!

[mechine]

You should check out the pinned threads, installing mods with DLC's

and also put crashing with DLC's in your posts title

 

 

 

 

You use a patch called crack, lolz an wonder what's causing your problems.

 

 

 

1.0.35 might as well be deleted, even if it comes with free crack rock

 

 

version 1.0 works better than 1.0.35 hahahahaha

 

So yeah get a better patch

 

 

 

Use 1.5 plus FO3edit's master update

 

Then in a couple of months we can update to 1.6 or 1.7

 

 

 

Fellout is not put together, you've got one 1/4 of the way then the other 2/3 of the way

then yet another fellout compatability patch down near the bottom

 

 

MMM is split up, the compatibliy patches for it are last rather than being after the MMM.esp

you should have all the MMM stuff very last, then fellout or other weather mods right before MMM

 

Owned is built into FOOK, you don't have many calibr guns

 

 

Pretty much your load order is a total mess, like your room is...

what does your mom make mods now, clean that stuff up .

 

 

 

Got tired of working on it, I'm about ready to make another.

But you kind of see how things get grouped together.

 

Fallout3.esm

CRAFT.esm

CALIBR.esm

FOOK.esm

RI_Core.esm

Sharing and Caring Companions.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

Scenic_Loading_Background.esp

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esp

FOOK.esp

FOOK - Tougher Enemies.esp

FOOK - Owned!.esp

FOOK - Free Play After MQ.esp

FOOK - Strength Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp

FOOK - Additional Power Armor Training.esp

FOOK-ReducedFireDuration.esp

RI_Base3.esp

RI_CrippledEffects.esp

RI_DoctorCost.esp

RI_PNeeds2S.esp

RI_Alcohol.esp

RI_FOSE.esp

RI_LootTableRI.esp

RI_LootTablePN.esp

CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp

Stealthboy Recon Armor - CRAFT.esp

CALIBR Ammo Schematics - CRAFT.esp

FOOK Weapons - CRAFT.esp

CRAFT - Workbench and Crafting Expansion combined.esp

tbase.esp

Primary essential.esp

Secondary essential.esp

Butch essential.esp

Essential death time 60 secondes.esp

Uber Dogmeat.esp

Ultra Olney.esp

NailedToDeath.esp

GPs Oasis - Clean Water 1.1.esp

MTC MoreGuardsInBigTown.esp

collectionagent_improved.esp

More Merchant Caps.esp

real deputy weld V0.2.esp

Fallout 3 Girls Redone.esp

BetterButler.esp

Potw V0.6.esp

FollowMe.esp

FollowersRelax.esp

Sammy The Singing Robot.esp

Rivet_city_security.esp

Not alone in the Wasteland anymore.esp

CaravanUpgrades.esp

NPCs Sleep Tighter.esp

royphilipsveryevilwmask.esp

Heights.esp

MoreMapMarkers.esp

GoreMod.esp

OasisStorage.esp

Megaton Tweaks 1.28.esp

Water_Tower_Hideout_byOrophin.esp

RecieveTenpennySuite.esp

Forge.esp

FireLightFix.esp

QuantumPipeV2.esp

TheManBehindTheCurtain.esp

GalaxyNewsRadioFix.esp

Vault-Tec Experimental Dimensional Safe.esp

amjygold bars.esp

UsableCigarettes.esp

AfrosNukaCola.esp

IceColdWater.esp

MRE.esp

FalloutFood.esp

HAZdrugs.esp

Inebriation-FOSE.esp

AD-BAND MOD.esp

PretenderMask.esp

skeleton_Mask.esp

ScubaTank.esp

NippyClothing.esp

ZumbsDarkerSunglasses_no_replace.esp

LuckySpecs.esp

Aviators.esp

ArynnsSexyLeatherdress_EV.esp

BPV.esp

neocap.esp

Pop Culture shirts.esp

fu_outfits.esp

SCC Armor.esp

REJillOutfit.esp

Daves Special Gift.esp

DoctorOfTheWastesBeta1.05.esp

Cybernetic Implants Xangi.esp

RestoreLife.esp

F3UmpaAnimation.esp

The Groovatron.esp

Explosive Entry.esp

DK_BulletTime.esp

T_R_A_S_C_H.esp

Bottle That Water.esp

Magic Fingers Perk.esp

Dree Perks.esp

Melee-UnarmedPACKeng.esp

KaBOOM.esp

LessBouncyGrenades.esp

LaserSword.esp

JQ-DuncanSword.esp

WieldableTorches.esp

Modern weapons.esp

HZ_Glock.esp

SunGlassesFX.esp

TL_Color.esp

MaxLevel100.esp

VATS - MCE.esp

VatsLongerDistance.esp

Precision_AutoAim_6000.esp

HZ_MoreShells_Extreme.esp

no blur on hit.esp

ExtreemeLongDeathCamera.esp

Vanity Camera Mod.esp

Rivens_Eyescapes.esp

Ultra pip-boy light.esp

FullAutoPistolsV20test.esp

Wasteland Weather Overhaul .9.esp

Fellout-Full.esp

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp

Enhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain Plugin.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

RI_PNMMM.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Increased Spawns.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Feral Ghoul Rampage.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Geckos.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Wanamingos.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - No Floaters.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

[Raygens]

Sorry about the lack of order, but I just never really understood on how to organize everything.

I just sort of relied on the mod sorter, and it always seemed to work out fine until now.

(as for my room, yes it is a pretty messy, but at least I'm capable of finding everything quickly! haha)

 

Thanks for the quick reply and the awesome help though, I'll definitely try removing some of the crack patches and downloading some up-to-date stuff.

Could you point me in the right direction with some of the patches that I need?

 

By the way, you have an amazing amount of mods, its a wonder!!

I could never obtain so many mods without finding and trying to fix the problems, which is why I got rid of so many only recently because they caused frequent crashes.

 

I'll appreciate any more suggestions that anybody is willing to make, though! Criticism is also welcome because honestly, I need some to set my sights straight. Honestly, I've never really been on the forums until now, so that makes me a forum newb, and as the person above has proved to me, a true messy clutz that can't organize any mods, let alone work the game!

 

 

I'll make an edit as soon as I can here, and try to fix up the problems I already have, but if it doesn't work I'll be sure to report back to these forums!

 

EDIT:::

 

I downloaded the FO3Edit, but I have no idea what it is supposed to do.

I also came to realize that my mods should not be a problem, because they have been working fine and even if I turn them all off, FO3 will still crash after the loading screens when I press continue or load.

 

I will try other things, but any recommendations will be greatly appreciated.

[mechine]

Don't look at meh!

 

 

My name is Pitt and I don't know S***!

 

LOLZ I have to put something funny in there or it's total boredom.

 

It took another few hours to move all that stuff in the load order.

 

Maybe a week to build it. I just deleted everything a few days ago.

 

Even my system files, then formated both hard drives.

 

So I'm making another build, which is how you learn, so don't be afraid to start over.

 

This is like the 4th or 5th time I've done it.

 

 

I wouldn't use auto installers for mods, do it manually, follow each folder down

and look at what it may or may not replace. Also read the read me's for conflicts.

 

Never autosave or quicksave, NEVAH!

it leads to coruption, always hit Esc then create a new save

keep 20 or so saves around, because it can go corupt an then crash

an hour later, without you even knowing.

 

Which could be the root cause of your problem, a corupted save game.

 

Also I wouldn't use Auto Mod sorter, The only way to be sure is to read the read me's.

And read on the forums.

 

 

 

ums you have DLC's so I would just log into Games for windows live an let it update it.

 

 

You'll probably have to delete all your saves, but they might be corupted anyway.

 

 

FO3edit's master update ability, is sort of meant for patch 1.5, but

 

patch 1.6 an 1.7 don't really fix bugs, they just add stuff...

 

 

So it stands to reason FO3edit would still yeild that nice low chance of crash

while also allowing some mods that normally wouldn't work together, to not conflict

and work great.

 

 

What you do is find the FO3edit.exe, right click it and create a short cut

right click the short cut, click properties, see the target line

You want to add -masterupdate, but there is a space after the " "

so it looks something like "C:/bethesdasoftpoop\fallout3\FO3edit.exe" -masterupdate

 

From now on this is your master update shortcut, which you should put in a folder

named master update, on the desktop, inside the master update folder

you also put a folder named master restore, inside that master restore folder

you go back to the FO3edit.exe and create another short cut, which you place

in the master restore folder, right click the short cut, click properties,

Add -masterrestore to the target line.

 

 

You put them in folders so you don't mix them up with your FO3edit

it's a different program, and you don't wana click one when you wanted the other.

 

 

So after you got a almost 100% correct load order, double click the master update

shortcut, it will run an display tons of text, any errors will be displayed as well

and the program will halt at a error.

 

If you get an error, there are a couple of choices,

1. ask the mod that caused the error to fix it

2. Open the mod that caused the error with GECK an set it to active

Then hope the GECK prompts to auto fix it.

 

Run master update again, if it still causes a error then delete the mod uninstall it

Run the master update again until it finishes without error

 

At which point clicking the X to close the window finalizes the process

 

From there you have to run master update again each time you change the load order

or add in new mods. Also look into FO3edit's read me.

 

To remove the master update all you do is run the masterrestore shortcut you made

 

 

So you see there is no risk...

 

 

 

 

 

FO3edit does many many things, for one you can make quick edit's to mods, you can trace down errors,

master update, master restore, and tons of stuff we don't understand how to use yet, just like FOMM

 

 

 

Which brings me to you should have FOMM fallout mod manager, FOSE Fallout script extender, GECK and the GECK update,

Pearl Jam on pandora radio, FO3edit, and a good patch for the game, with the game installed in it's own folder

 

Like C:\bethesda softworks

 

 

 

Can't think of anything else...

 

 

[Raygens]

I finally decided to get rid of everything and start over a day ago, I just forgot to post on the forums because I was still dealing with a few crashes here and there.

 

I actually sort kinda (haha yeah i'm not sure) get it by now, and I've been doing it manually instead of purely relying on what mod sorter has to offer, and it's been going great!

I've also started to save by pressing Esc first, and its turned out great! I've actually started a completely new game, and at least now I'm sure to have something to do. Thanks for the help, everybody, but apart from the occasion CTD, which I can live with because it only happens once every few hours (and again, I am making constant saves), so I guess my problem is solved! It took me a while but I think I've got the gist of it. Thanks for all the commenting, good or bad! :thanks:

[mechine]

Install practice helps

 

 

 

 

good install, good patch, then install mods manually really clean, good load order, then master update it

 

 

tweek the settings, an never autosave an you cut the crashes down a whole whole lot

 

 

 

But hey plain old version 1.0 fallout will crash with or without mods, maybe even

 

version 1.7 with no mods at all will crash, it just does it

 

 

 

 

Shoot man I had a pistol that was missing a tiny animated part, and it caused a crash

One little piece crashed the whole freaking game

[BadPenney]

Never autosave or quicksave, NEVAH!

it leads to coruption, always hit Esc then create a new save

So do recommend turning off

 

Save on Rest

Save on Wait

Save on Travel

 

since they autosave?

[mechine]

Shoot yeah man

 

 

there's mods to disable autosave

 

I figure just turning them off works though

 

 

save the space for more modz

 

 

 

Also don't use mods that just change stuff in the fallout.ini notepad file

 

follow the tweek guide an read it to make the choices you think will best help yah

[BadPenney]

You are a goddam genius! Whether you figured this out yourself or not I am indebted to you, but you'll have to settle for kudos cuz I'm too cheap to pay.

 

I just did what you suggested and played a quick run through of the three main quests in my mod Return to Shady Sands and saw not one lost AI package, no funky weapon carries and no CTDs. Thinking back now they all started after walking through doors, fast travelling, resting... all the autosave enablers.

 

I have to post this for people having those problems with my mod. I think there are a lot of us noobs that don't know this.

 

I shall be forever in your debt, wanderer!