Zephyr102 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Heading east out of Anvil on a fine evening, I decided to spend the night at Kvatch. I had long-since rebuilt the city, but had rarely visited despite many trips past it (usually preferring nearby Anvil or Skingrad). I stabled my horse, headed up to the gate, and clicked. The load bar made it about halfway- then kaboom, crash to desktop. I've tried disabling every mod in OBMM's conflict list, then disabled some more, double-checked my load orders, reinstalled and cleaned out various data files, and then some. But after an hour-plus of troubleshooting attempts, I've found myself stumped- it's still crashing on the load screen, The city worked fine 'n dandy on my last visit (many new mods ago :P), but for some reason Kvatch won't let its Hero in tonight... Mod list and load order as follows (not all of these are active at the same time; I have many different mods, depending on what character I'm in the mood for): ----------------------------------------------------------- Better Oblivion Sorting Software Load Order Utility © Random007 & the BOSS development team, 2009 Some rights reserved. CC Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ v1.35 (23 June 09) ----------------------------------------------------------- Master .ESM date: Sun Mar 19 13:34:12 2006FCOM not detected. ------------------------------------Recognised and re-ordered mod files:------------------------------------ Oblivion.esm GTAesgaard_2.esm SoVvM.esm MD_Saddle_Master.esm Cobl Main.esm . Note: Do not use Tamrielic Ingredients and COBL at the same time. Kvatch Rebuilt.esm Better Cities Resources.esm Open Cities Resources.esm BathingMod_Base.esm VVAdvanced.esm HorseCombatMaster.esm Cobl Races.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{Eyes, Hair, R.Relations, Voice-M, Voice-F}} Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp DLCShiveringIsles.esp Better Cities .esp . Note: Dummy file to load Better Cities .BSA WindowLightingSystem.esp Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp Dancer_Undress0_6-10194.esp ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Talos Plaza.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Elven Gardens.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Green Emperor Way.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Prison.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Arena.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Temple.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - The Arcane University.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Market.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - Arboretum.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Full or Better Cities IC components. ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities. ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp Maigrets House Cats.esp Portable Campsite.esp Portable Campsite - Quickstart.esp Reznod_Mannequin.esp TRN One of the Gang.esp . Note: Some small conflicts with The Elder Council. StandingJOJO.esp MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Body-M,Graphics}} AW_Wings.esp BlackLuster.esp DarkIllusionArmor.esp FemaleImperialDragonCuirass.esp Hiyoko_Store.esp OCC-Hiyoko-Patch.esp KDDwemerSpectacles.esp kfDarkAdventuressBow.esp pale_rider's Paladin Equipment_enchanted_eng.esp pale_rider's Paladin Equipment_unenchanted_eng.esp samurai.esp Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp tda_ScytheModv1.2.esp Tyrael Armor.esp TT-EquipableBeards.esp VA_DKWeaponSet.esp XSPipeMod.esp Thieves Arsenal.esp . Note: Requires OBSE. Extinguish the Lights.esp RealSwords - Bosmer HI-NPC.esp . Note: Requires Wrye Bash for compatibility with overhaul mods like OOO/MMM/Fran's. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent}} if using overhaul mods (except FCOM). RealSwords - Bosmer HI.esp . Note: Requires Wrye Bash for compatibility with overhaul mods like OOO/MMM/Fran's. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent}} if using overhaul mods (except FCOM). RealSwords - Bosmer LO.esp . Note: Requires Wrye Bash for compatibility with overhaul mods like OOO/MMM/Fran's. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent}} if using overhaul mods (except FCOM). RealSwords - Bosmer LO-NPC.esp . Note: Requires Wrye Bash for compatibility with overhaul mods like OOO/MMM/Fran's. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent}} if using overhaul mods (except FCOM). EY_Vampirehunter.esp tona_whitesquall-armor_ver2.esp StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics,NoMerge}} if using overhaul mods. R18PN - Lingeries.esp tona_simple_dress-armor_ver3.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relev}} if using Not For Free mod. Kylin.esp Slof's Horses Base.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}} Slof's Extra Horses.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}} Dude Wheres My Horse.esp MD Saddlebags V3.0.esp Cobl Glue.esp Cobl Si.esp . Note: Requires Shivering Isles expansion. Cobl Tweaks.esp Nightshade_Armor.esp ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp . Note: Deactivate CLocksOfCyrodiil.esp AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp AnvilBayExpansion.esp . Note: Not Better Cities compatible. Already included in Better Cities Anvil. . Note: Not Open Cities compatible. Already incuded in Open Cities Anvil. Bravil Docks.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities. Already included in Better Cities Bravil. Cheydinhal Petshop.esp . Note: Has problems with FCOM and other mods. Dwemer_Skyship_1_1_0.esp GTAesgaard.esp GTAesgaard_2.esp Kvatch Rebuilt.esp MolagBalTreasury.esp MTCRiverShackv1.2.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities Bravil. Already included as part of Better Cities. . Note: Needs compatibility patch when used with Unique Landscapes Bravil Barrowfields. Rise Of A Samurai.esp Septim Mansion.esp SkyCastle.esp Snow Dragon Temple v1.0.esp Solace.esp TheForgottenShields.esp thievery.esp Better Cities - Thievery.esp VaultsofCyrodiil.esp VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp Lynges_Thieves_Highway-10256.esp . Note: Not Better Cities compatible. Already included with Better Cities IC plugins. Knights.esp Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp Knights_fem.esp The Lost Spires.esp TOTF.esp OCC-TOTF-Patch.esp RTT.esp OCC-RTTv3 Patch.esp . Note: Works with RTT 3.0 only. Blood&Mud.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair, NpcFaces}} . Note: FCOM requires 'FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp' or 'FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp'. MannimarcoRevisited.esp MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp ElsweyrAnequina.esp . Note: Border region restrictions must be turned off: use Wrye Bash tweak, hand edit .ini file or use no-border mod (not recommended). xuldarkforest.esp XulEntiusGorge.esp ULFallenLeafEverglade.esp LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp xulAncientYews.esp xulAncientRedwoods.esp xulArriusCreek.esp xulImperialIsle.esp MTCThievesGrotto.esp LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp Waterfront Passage - Control of Goods.esp . Note: Not compatible with Better Cities. Better Cities BRAVIL - Blood & Mud.esp Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp . Note: Not compatible with Ruined Tail 2.5. Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp Better Cities Bravil - Blood & Mud Patch.esp . Note: Only use if using the separate Better Cities .esps Open Cities.esp . Note: Old version, check for update. Open Cities Full.esp Open Cities Full + Bravil Blood & Mud + Leyawiin Reborn.esp . Note: Requires Bravil Blood&Mud. Bag of Holding.esp DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp Leviathan Soulgems.esp Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp . Note: MAY cause CTDs. Cause uncertain despite extensive debugging. Disable if experiencing a persistant crash. Short Grass V3.esp tona_underwear.esp VVAdvanced.esp VVAdvanced-SI.esp BathingMod_Soap.esp BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp MidasSpells.esp BasicInstinct.esp PJs Disco Spell.esp SpellSinger.esp RenGuardOverhaul.esp RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp TRN One of the Gang.esp . Note: If using kuerteeClothingMatters.esp it's INI needs to be adjusted for compatibility with this. Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp . Note: Use no more than one Timed Block ESP. Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp . Note: Use no more than one Timed Block ESP. Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp . Note: Use no more than one Timed Block ESP. DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp personality_idles2.esp personality_idles4.esp CTAddPose_v_1.esp CTAddPose_osr1.esp CTAddPose_osr2.esp CTAddPose_osr3.esp SW01.esp . Note: Use 'SW01.esp' or 'SW01Plus.esp' but not both at the same time. SW01Plus affects the player as well. SW01Plus.esp . Note: Use 'SW01.esp' or 'SW01Plus.esp' but not both at the same time. SW01Plus affects the player as well. actors_in_charge.esp 77_Umpa_Animation.esp EFGAddPose.esp shinyEmotions.esp Get Wet - just droplets.esp Get Wet - no droplets.esp Get Wet.esp Real Lava 1.3.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}} and deactivate. JJR'sWhiskers and Eyebrow.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,R.Teeth,Graphics}} and deactivate. CuteElf11.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics}} _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics}} Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics,R.Relations}} Elves Of Lineage II.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics,R.Relations}} Better Cities - COBL.esp Viconia.esp Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp -----------------------------------------------------------------Unrecognised mod files: Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.----------------------------------------------------------------- Unknown mod file: Zedar.esmUnknown mod file: HOUSING_MASTER.esmUnknown mod file: Skyrim.esmUnknown mod file: Copy of TOTF.espUnknown mod file: DJZ Cobl edits.espUnknown mod file: Regions - Hammerfell.espUnknown mod file: JADDockTunnel.espUnknown mod file: Evantal's Dual Wielding.espUnknown mod file: Kagrenacs Tools.espUnknown mod file: Nico's Dreadweave Bow and Arrows.espUnknown mod file: personality_idles4_nnpc.espUnknown mod file: CTAddPose_ bondage_sex.espUnknown mod file: tona_shadow-walker.espUnknown mod file: Arcelas Black Hand Armor.espUnknown mod file: Sexlivion_0.4a_Full_English_v1.espUnknown mod file: scummsWeaponRack.espUnknown mod file: tona_traveling_items.espUnknown mod file: tona_clothes_and_underwear.espUnknown mod file: Tona Anchorite Outfit.espUnknown mod file: CastleSkyAvalon.espUnknown mod file: Partners.espUnknown mod file: ImperialDragonHeavyShield.espUnknown mod file: ImperialDragonHeavyShield - Greater.espUnknown mod file: ImperialDragonHeavyShield - Greater - No Enchantments.espUnknown mod file: Atropa.espUnknown mod file: Colourwheels Sexy Nami.espUnknown mod file: R18PN - Amy Armor Set.espUnknown mod file: 2680twohand.espUnknown mod file: EY_AoD.espUnknown mod file: AkaviriSamuraiShop.espUnknown mod file: Slof's Sexy Anims.espUnknown mod file: Ever-rest Glade.espUnknown mod file: bondage_sex.espUnknown mod file: Eroblivion.espUnknown mod file: Azure_Palace.espUnknown mod file: compat1.espUnknown mod file: StokerWolff.espUnknown mod file: AlchemistsCave.espUnknown mod file: niapet_staves.espUnknown mod file: Slof's Boners! v5.espUnknown mod file: DJZ-ICSewerHovel.espUnknown mod file: fjDarkRegalia.espUnknown mod file: Hentai_SnowFlower.espUnknown mod file: Night Knight Armor.espUnknown mod file: ViconiaChapterTwo.espUnknown mod file: SKY.espUnknown mod file: GP_Call Steed.espUnknown mod file: Hentai Mania.espUnknown mod file: MrMuhs Sheogorath-Anims EV.espUnknown mod file: Maigret's Vampire Bat.espUnknown mod file: Satu Ra - Lord of Beasts.espUnknown mod file: sexdarkness_Eng_only_last.espUnknown mod file: Sheogorath's Cane.espUnknown mod file: Sher Ja Lion Companion.espUnknown mod file: ABC.espUnknown mod file: AsharasCMBeasts.espUnknown mod file: Skyrim.espUnknown mod file: Bosmer Height Fix.espUnknown mod file: WaterfrontMarket.espUnknown mod file: Underworld Armor.espUnknown mod file: AllenCM.espUnknown mod file: kdThiefVest for HGEC.espUnknown mod file: swamp home.espUnknown mod file: swamp home cobl.espUnknown mod file: MHW Chrome Razor.espUnknown mod file: Echo Animated Staff Plugin.espUnknown mod file: Echo_Staff_Pack1_Plugin.espUnknown mod file: AL_AuroranBattleSteed.espUnknown mod file: The Lost Chapel.espUnknown mod file: ElyndasShortSack.espUnknown mod file: Kitsune's Staves.espUnknown mod file: MTCDarelothsHouse.espUnknown mod file: Bravil_Interior_Docks.espUnknown mod file: DJZ Toolbelt.espUnknown mod file: TTB.espUnknown mod file: Bravil River DJZ.espUnknown mod file: Zedar.esp -----------------------------------------------------------Done. 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bben46 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 My first guess would be something inside the city has been changed, usually by a mod that affected something inside being removed, or as in the case of the Bruma Statue bug, your character has changed and something in the city expects the old character. When it tries to load Kvatch and cannot find that object - it cannot continue and crashes. Look for a mod you removed that may have changed something in the city. Or a mod you have added that could have removed or changed some thing in Kvatch Just disabling the esp does not remove the textures and meshes that the mod installed. If you can, find a save that works, use the save manager function in OBMM to look at the active mods for that save. Then compare that with the active and inactive mods now. To use the mod managed function look on the right of your OBMM screen, select Utilities, then 'Save Manager' It will take quite a while for the save manager to show up as it has to do a lot of sorting with your big mod list. Read the help for the save manager for the color code. It will show every save you have in your saves file. This not only shows all mods active, inactive and no longer installed but shows them in their load order at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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