Fireforlackofeffect Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I finally got fallout 3 working reasonably well and stable post all DLC FOSE 1.7 patch fake patch FOOK, MMM, WMK and many other mods. Until I decided to do the main quest and find that after entering smith Cassy garage or whatever its called, the door to vault 112 is just a door to outside of the world space, you step through and get teleported to the entrance of the garage. Ive tried screwing with the load order disabling mods and everything else I can think off including unpacking BSA, any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechine Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 You fake patched 1.7? Why? Gawd fake patch is such a hacked up hack. I can't even think of a reason why anyone would want to use it. since VATS-MCE, @longer distance, autoaim 6000, an then there's the fact that 1.5 fixed mid air grenade shooting an other stuff. Anyway that's not the issue I guess, Gook luck with that build you have there. What you do is hmmm there's no good way to do this... Somewhere along the line you have a mod that changes the garage for some stupid reason but there's no way for either of us to tell which one. I just had a better idea. hmmm What you want to do is open GECK Load Fallout3.esm Now go to the Cell that is the garage Find the door there will be a yellow stretched square with a triangle at the top this is the door transport marker the one that leads down into the vault door room you double click the door transport marker an it prompts you transport you to the cell where the other one is double click it, and since it's fallout3.esm it should take you into the vault door room Now the important part, you want to move that door marker either a bit to the left or right or better up then left then hit ctrl F to make it fall to the ground just make sure it's not in the same spot now save that change into a .esp Either load it last in the load order or better, get FO3edit, then load the whole list in FO3edit Scroll down to the bottom which is your door fix mod then open it an go down until you see the actual entry for the change you made to the door other mods that change this same thing will be listed, an you can make the numbers match or entries match or find the mod that is causing this problem then open it with geck with it set to active an then go to the door that is messed up and fix it by making the door transport to the vault door room Also there is a command we use in order to transport to cells in order to test them and I think it doesn't use the door transports which would get you past this point that you won't go back to the garage anyway. Vote for pedro! My spam fix thread follows. Man I just trolled someone with the same problem, how lucky for you an me too I'll hit 500 posts an level up, since I'm wasting all my time helping other people. pasted from another post below The problem you are having is because your save game is corupt for one reason or the other. Heck Fallout 3 doesn't need a reason to go corupt, it's so huge. Quick saves an Autosaves actually promote coruption. Which is why we press Esc an create a new save each time, an never delete any save. For one, Esc pauses the game, an also creates a full save, vs a partial quick or auto save. Your game can go corupt an you not know about it until a hour or more later when you crashed, Also your game can be crashing an you create a save, locking that coruption into a save game. Crash upon save is a red flagged almost certian that it's gone corupt. Which this could have been locked into your save game when you started the new game which can even happen not running any mods as fallout sometimes gets a bad load or is loaded on a bad boot, ect Something like 2 out of 3 game starts are "bad starts" meaning you really only get one good game start out of 3 trys So to speak when you start a new game you want to make sure that there isn't the slightest problem in anyway. But we don't do that, heck you said the word autosave in your discription, never say that it's bad luck, :D That's the spirit... Now the bad news, that save game, an probably a few before it, there is no way to fix, an they are lost. At the very worst you'll have to start a new game an this time make sure that you have all the mods you want also making sure you get a "good start" as in no problems what so ever in your start game, which gives you a clean save game that will help you to get a diagnosis in the future. Heck you can start a new game an see if it does the same thing, just to confirm that your save game is toast. Adding anything in the form of content, mods, or even a mod that you created to a existing save game is a bad idea. Ums idk first you should have the new patch, the FOSE version for that patch, A correct load order, updated grapics drivers an direct X,The correct Modders install location for Fallout 3 (clean an tweeked install), Clean installed mods not auto installed or FOMOD installedInstalled clean the hard an aweful manual way, GECK, Update for GECK, FOMM, FO3edit, and there's probably something else I'm forgeting. Follow the tweek guide http://www.tweakguides.com/Fallout3_1.html you don't have to do all of it, make good decisions an read it. If you don't know how to install stuff, which you probably don't, we don't know it all, or even part of it. See the installing mods an DLC's pinned topic or follow the old Ultimate Load Order Mod it's still a good way to learn an fun. Apart from the normal how to run an fix fallout. Okay, I feel your pain. 1. compatibility patch like FOIP, or those for BLTC, All of them are worthless, and cause more trouble than they are worth. 2. Just a plain jane Unofficial Fallout Patch is useless, because everything else overwrites most of the stuff in UFP 3. Fallout can be stable, but it requres luck an a Poop ton of work, I mean a real never ending work load I have a post here named welcome to override, which blogs how I worked on the same thing you kind of have. I'll go into detail here to help you a bit. First the load order, or well the crazy load order I have that should never have been used together. Fallout3.esmCALIBR.esmFOOK.esmRI_Core.esmMart's Mutant Mod.esmMMZombieCemetery.esmEnhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esmSharing and Caring Companions.esmCRAFT.esmUnofficial Fallout 3 Patch.espFOOK.espFOOK - Tougher Enemies.espFOOK - Owned!.espFOOK - Strength Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.espFOOK - Free Play After MQ.espFOOK - Additional Power Armor Training.espFOOK-ReducedFireDuration.espFOOK - Fawkes Quickfix.esptubRRCompound.espWater_Tower_Hideout_byOrophin.espDCInteriors_Georgtown.espDCInteriors_Mason.espForge.espFireLightFix.espGPs Oasis - Clean Water 1.1.espOasisStorage.espQuantumPipeV2.espRecieveTenpennySuite.espTL_Color.espMetal Salvage.espMegaton Tweaks 1.28.espPotw V0.6.espShowers.esprcaddon.espMegaton Closes.espExplodingRadios.espNot alone in the Wasteland anymore.espFollowersRelax.espBraveDogmeat.esproyphilipsveryevilwmask.espcollectionagent_improved.espTrader100%Repair.espNPCs Sleep Tighter.espMoira.espCaravanUpgrades.espRivet_city_security.espreal deputy weld V0.2.espNPC Height Randomizer.espSCC - Talk to Anyone.espT_R_A_S_C_H.espSCC Armor.espfessentialdeathtime180.espCapsDoubled.espPerk_martialart_ENGfix.espCybernetics.espSunGlassesFX.espUPP - Pack 1.espUPP - Pack 2.espMagic Fingers Perk.espDotW v1.00.espDree Perks.espimplants.espCybernetic Implants Xangi.espMelee-UnarmedPACKeng.espghoulification.espExplosive Entry.espmazas_campfire.espMGSBox.espsuitcase_nuke.esphundredfists.espFullAutoPistolsV20test.espIREye.espWeapon Sound Fixes.espGatlingLaserDX.espKaBOOM.espLessBouncyGrenades.espGraphical Nuke Mod.espdD-More Gore.espdD-Less Blood Time.espMaxLevelWorkaround-HP.espWastelandMastery.espFallDamage101.espLongerDeathCamera.espDK_BulletTime.espVATS - MCE.espVatsLongerDistance.espPrecision_AutoAim_6000.espRange Finder v1.0.espShellRain.espF3UmpaAnimation.espThe Groovatron.espRI_PNeeds2S.espRI_Base3.espRI_Alcohol.espRI_DoctorCost.espRI_CrippledEffects.espRI_FOSE.espbltc.espBLTC No Overdosing.espHAZdrugs.espFDA1x.espInebriation-FOSE.espUsableCigarettes.espWieldableTorches.espMRE.espFalloutFood.espAfrosNukaCola.espMoreNukaCola.espBottle That Water.espUltra Olney.espNailedToDeath.espkrzymar-MoonSize_300%.espNo Blur Effect.espGNR Fix.espMoreMapMarkers.espCRAFT - Activation Perk.espStealthboy Recon Armor - CRAFT.espWorkbench_Crafting_Expansion.espFOOK Weapons - CRAFT.espCALIBR Ammo Schematics - CRAFT.espCALIBRxMerchant.espPCB.espFellout-Full.espFellout-pipboylight.espEnhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.espEnhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain and Snow Plugin.espEnhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.espEnhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.espMart's Mutant Mod.espMart's Mutant Mod - Increased Increased Spawns.espMart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.espMart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.espMart's Mutant Mod - Feral Ghoul Rampage.espMart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.espMart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.espMart's Mutant Mod - No Geckos.espMart's Mutant Mod - No Wanamingos.espMart's Mutant Mod - No Floaters.espMart's Mutant Mod - Zombie Cementery.espOverRideV2Food.espOverRideV2Creatures.espOverRideV2dialog.espOverRideV2Clothing.espOverRideV2Weapons.espOverRideV2FOOK_NPC.espOverRideV2Building_Script.espOverRideV2Perks.espOverRideV2FOOKscript.espOverRideV2Script.espMergePatchV3.esp Wow it's big, yeah that's what she said, no not really, even though it was big she still said it's little just to take me down a notch. what a bish huh? Okay so it's not really that big, there's not much actual content in this load out, but it's a experiment anyway. I wanted to see if it could be done, an yay it can. I'm too tired to do it now, but soon I'll make a new load order, trolling nexus for every cool mod that I would run even if it plain flat out says in bold type that it won't work with other mods, because I can fix it or anything now. So yeah you probably want to do the same an start small, learn to fix that, then go really big man. The first fix took 6 failed attempts which took 9 full days work to fail at. I live on a farm so I can work on something all day if I'm not doing farm stuff. Anyhow, Okay so those 6 failed attempts were not in vain, the whole time I was learning more an more advanced tricks to fixing stuff. different methods and what does an does not screw up a mod or load order. The 7th time was the charm yay! It also moves faster now, so the next big load out might only take two days to fix even though it's 4 times bigger. First step 1. delete an remove every compatibility patch you have in the load order, every one of those crappy things. 2. You kind of want to have your load order like mine, with UFP (unofficial fallout patch) right after the .esm'sThen FOOK right after the UFP, the reason being is that there are so many entries you can pretty much fix 80% of your load order just working in these two mods, because they are both super huge. The rest of the load order is up to you. 3. uh, FO3edit, download it because you need it to fix this, and other cool stuff. Okay so it would probably be a good idea to forget about everything you ever learned about load orders. The basic rules still apply though somewhat. Esm's UFP FOOK Other huge mods, I mean really huge This area is the place where the tiny stuff that just adds or does a few things go Fellout and Weather MMM Get something you think it pretty good as far as load order. Open the whole list with FO3edit, look here an there an see if there is anyway you could make the load order better Like some mods that you know you want to use over other ones, which the one you want would load after the one you don't so it will overwrite it, catch my drift yet? Ah that's okay for a load out, I've seen worse... Now you perform the merge patch, like all the really great uber players told me to I'll paste in the post I got that told how to do it. I didn't do it like they said though, so see my method below. *Quote*lol. you hardly seem the same person when posting problems instead of answering them. load all that into FO3Edit, wait until 'finished', click on left window, ctrl-A to select all, right click, choose 'Create Merged Patch', name it and it will add all the masters it needs and spew out the troublesome conflicts in a handy .esp, open it and have a good look at what's in there, right click and remove anything vestigial or redundant from the original .esp (not the merged patch), close FO3Edit without saving the Merged Patch, rinse and repeat... you really should install the 1.7 update, if the masterupdate thing is putting you off doing it, just alter the File Header for each mod back to .esp... when you do have a Merged Patch that you are satisfied with (the first attempt might achieve this), close FO3Edit and Save it, launch FOMM, tick the 'Merged-Patch'.esp and always ensure that it is last in load order. if you change your load-order, best to delete the patch and make a new one, each and every time (with a clean non-auto non-quick save between). CTDs should be greatly reduced. *End Quote* Okay so I kind of took into account what was said, but I knew things so I changed it a bit. For one I didn't remove any entries, or remove anything for the matter even if it's redundant, or bad. I fixed everything so it matched, an picked what I wanted as the entry based off the others. I opened FO3edit, Ctrl A then right click an create merge patch, you can name it whatever, but nameing it mergepatch something will let you know what it does. Save it, an idk don't pay attention to the weird errors if it has some in the process of creating the merge patch the only thing you want to pay attention to is that the whole list of mods was listed in the adding master information or adding master make sure all the mods are listed, then save it... Close FO3edit which brings up the save check or uncheck. Now run FOMM an turn Merge patch on or check it, last in the load order, exit FOMM. Go to FO3edit an launch it (each time you create a new Override you'll have to do this, don't forget) All it does is makes it so that you don't have to select anything when you launch FO3edit Okay so load the whole load order again with FO3edit. Scroll down to the merge patch open it up, start at the top an work your way down the entries doing what you have to do in order to get them all green look in the info tab at the bottom of FO3edit to find out what the pretty colors actually mean (important) You kind of have to make desisions on which version of the entry you want to use, there's 12 entries for idk a creature, pick the best one, an either copy paste the data in the entry so that they all match, or you can also drag an drop, this is left to right as the last entry the furthest to the right is the one Fallout 3 will use. Takes about a hour or so to fix the merge patch, remember not to remove any entries, you can delete parts of a entry, like if one small part is causing a conflict, but you can't put it in all the entriesbecause those don't use that mod as a master like the merge patch does, so you should be able to put anything in the merge patch, while not everything in the other entries, so say Ghoulification has something in it, I drag that over to the merge patch entry, yay it worked now it's a conflict though because the other ones don't and can't have it, I remove the data in the ghoulification entry in order to fix, it's still in ghoulification, but it's not in the entry for this one item, however it's in merge patch so it's still there. I don't delete the whole entry just the small part that caused the conflict after I added it to the merge patch. Git it? blah blah blah, go down an fix the whole merge patch, then save it, or save as you go. When you get done save it, then load the whole list again, an right click the merge patch an choose check for errors, if no errors or conflicts are displayed then yay, if there are then fix them sometimes scripts an other things don't take the first time you enter them into a override or merge patch so do it again an it usually takes the second time. Once you get the merge patch 100% fixed, you want to add a folder to your harddrive not your desktop This is where you open your data folder, and make a copy of all your .esm an .esp files to place in the new file on the hard drive as a back up, (if you screw up you'll want to start over without having to reinstall anything) The reason I never remove or delete anything as far as a main entry, an by that I mean you open FO3edit, go to creatures and open it then click on the red one, there's 12 main entries in there that follow the load order Fallout3.esm, UFP, FOOK, Nailed to death, MMM each of those are inside a mod, and yes they are redundant, but say I remove or delete the UFP one it also removes all references to that entry inside UFP, GECK will warn you when you do this, FO3edit won't True you can remove an delete stuff an it not effect anything, but every so often you will delete one that will end up being a land mine and causing mass chaos conflicts across the whole load order (where did that come from) So yeah, just fix what is there, don't remove the main entry, even though delete an remove is the easy fix, you'll get into trouble. Now that it's out of the way.... Open FO3edit, load everything up, an always wait for the finished part to show up in the message box. Waiting Waiting, ZOMG is it ever going to finish. Lolz it only takes 30 seconds on a huge load order. You want to start with UFP (unofficial fallout patch) Open it an find your first conflict an start trying to fix the entries. Eventually you are going to hit a wall, an something can't be used without adding something as a master to another mod. This is why when you fix something an it's good or fix a few things you save it often, usually you end up saving like 12-24 .esp at a time. So you save an load FO3edit many many times, always be working with a known good save. If you screw up hit the X an don't save anything, even if you have to redo 24 entries or a whole mod. It would be more easy to re do that than fix your screw up. You never want to change what the actual mods use as masters. (adding say UFP as a master to MMM will overwrite MMM's stuff with UFP stuff besides the part you wanted to fix) (Also adding masters to actual mods will cause weird problems, sometimes causing more conflicts, an more to fix, a nightmare) (So it's safe to say, never add another mod to a actual mod as a master) You add masters to a mod in the file header in the block list to the left, they are listed, all you do is right click the top entry for master file. But you only need to know how to do this in order to add masters to the Overrides you'll create. Okay so You got to a entry in UFP you can't fix from doing normal stuff like copy paste or drag and drop It's probably something that is contained inside a mod, which is all the really cool stuff Awe man that cool thing hasn't been used the whole time I've been playing, ZoMg What you do is inside the window to the right in FO3edit where the multiple entries are displayed Each entry has a very top which is the name of the mod, you right click the name of the mod and select, copy as override into, then scroll down an pick "new file" Name the file what it is that you are working on so you can keep up with it an also keep them seperate (too many masters in a OverRide plug in will cause problems, so idk maybe 10-12 per Override, or hey just 3 masters to a override it's up to you) The more split up into seperate plug in's the better it will work is what I'm saying Okay so you copied as override into a new override file you created an named good OverrideV1Creatures.esp this is your generic creature Override, and will probably have to use the creature mods as masters, like FOOK, Nailed to death, ultra onley, MMM, UFP What you do is get a piece of paper, and write down the names of the mods in the whole conflicting entry in UFP or whatever then one by one enter them in, inside the file header in the block list of your OverrideV1Creatures.esp at the bottom of the list in FO3edit, However it's hard to type them out an you can get it wrong which will cause it to error when you load the load order in FO3edit You can either scroll up an look at the name, or if it's difficult minimize FO3edit, then open the data file go to that mod, and open up the name like you were going to rename it, only copy that to clipboard don't change it , since when you rename it selects all highlights the whole name by default it's easy. Go back to FO3edit, then paste that in as a master to your Override, but don't ever forget to add the .esp or .esm at the end of the name the name has to be exactly right, and if you ask me we name stuff retarded sometimes, Geez, FOOK_I"m_A_DOOb_*space*X1V3test.esp After you have all the masters added to the Override, save it, and then make it load automaticly via FOMM an launch FO3edit again If you screw up FO3edit will tell you an just delete the .esp an start over. Now, Remember how I said never remove/delete a Main entry inside FO3edit's Mulitiple entry list Well you can delete an remove entries you make into the Override.esp you make In fact you can use anything to create a Override an then delete everything inside the Override just so that you can create a new .esp to make a Override out of. Like say you knew you were going to make one, just click a entry, it doesn't even have to conflict with anything create the override, then go to the override in the block list a delete the container or creatures in the block list, edit the header as you like and save it, then start overriding. Pretty much you create the override then go back to the mod you were fixing like UFP and view that conflict list entry the OverrideV1Creatures is now at the end of the list an it also can use everything and anything from any of the mods in the conflict list or multiple entry list, it's also very last in the load order so represents what fallout 3 will use, so at this point it's only a matter of making the decisions for what you want that entry to look like. An example of this is takeing whiskey, which like 20 mods change the whiskey. Using Overrides you can make the last entry look like the mod with the best whiskey stats while also the really cool part is you can make a whiskey that has distruction data from FOOK, Get's you drunk from inebriation-Fose (the screen gets blury an you can't walk), Give you a empty bottle for metal salvage, Quinches thirst for primary needs, And jesus even has the Overdose capablity of BLTC or more. Lolz MMM Glowing one ghouls with the UFP fix for glowing one's script in it RI primary needs addictions, and BLTC addictions combined in the doctor script to remove addicitons Ghoulifications join the ghoul faction an have them as followers added to MMM's great textures an fighting types FOOK toughter enemys added to nailed to death, added to ultra onley, added to ghoulification, added to MMM Geez, STALKER added to 20th century weapons, FOOK, WMK, FWE, XFO Pretty much you can make any mod work with anything and everything. You'll see, UFP (unofficial fallout patch) takes a hour or few hours to fix, but fixes maybe 1/4 of the load order FOOK probably fixes half the load order So after you get past the huge mods at the start, it all goes downhill you actually get tired of not seeing any conflicts, but it gets hard to find them I still have some I got tired of looking for I guess you could right click an check for errors as a guide I think I'll try that. You also wana take notes for one I wrote a note to add all the 7 other food mods I have to the primary needs Override so they will make the player not hungry or that the doctor addictions script was located in the RI_base3.esp incase I messed it up adding all those things from other mods. After you get it finished or 98% finished, you probably want to start a new game sometimes old games get messed up, but then sometimes new games get messed up I had to restart like 3-4 times just to get a clean start I knew wasn't going weird that's not our fault the game engine just does that because of the vast amount of data heck you can just have a bad load up of Fallout 3 an it causes a crash reboot an try again to fix it, heh doesn't that suck but after you get a good new game start then you just avoided most of the problems in the future. Shoot I even master updated my Override load order, an I have 1.7 I had these glitchy static popping sounds, I did many settings changes an found out that it was just the settings in the launcher for fallout I set them to ultra an then moved them back down where they were an it fixed it. The first thing you want to do is make the new game start, and then test an make sure that it's a good one without any problems, this is your clean save for the future references in order to get a diagnosis for a problem. It's a huge huge game, so the start is the most important as far as avoiding crashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireforlackofeffect Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 1. Your massive post nearly broke the forums , whoa...2. Ive tried to FO3 edit - master update stuff. 3. I suck at using the geck or editing stuff , always crashes stuff without fail. 4. I think its related to broken steel, weird backwards edit?5. I reinstalled and did some other stuff, no longer using fake patch, now I get crash upon save - start up.6. are you nuts?!? FOIP is the only thing that lets any of the mods work alongside each-other much less together. 7. I cant find any overrides - merge patches , non existent to goggle and I cant exactly make my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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