OOO, MMM or CM Partners?

[BlaCkBlitZ]

I'm getting this weird thing where many NPCs who are supposed to be against each other, aren't. For example, a pilgrim was found strolling on the road, he did kill a wolf but when I ran pass him with 2 outlaws following me, he didn't give a hoot. My CM Partners wouldn't attack my enemies either... (I think only the wilderness enemies are targetted as I saw my wraith once attack a wolf). Other than that, a tiger, skeleton archer and a nord warrior were all once a part of my entourage but they didn't attack the NPC bandits in the floated bloat quest.

 

I attacked some random book store owner as well, my summoned skeleton attacked as well but not the CM Partners' skeleton archer. I've seen outlaws working with conjurers and scamps against me. Timber Wolves attacking some odd ogre with jumbo potatoes.

 

Is there anything wrong, or is this just the weird way the mods work?

[dezdimona]

I'm getting this weird thing where many NPCs who are supposed to be against each other, aren't. For example, a pilgrim was found strolling on the road, he did kill a wolf but when I ran pass him with 2 outlaws following me, he didn't give a hoot. My CM Partners wouldn't attack my enemies either... (I think only the wilderness enemies are targetted as I saw my wraith once attack a wolf). Other than that, a tiger, skeleton archer and a nord warrior were all once a part of my entourage but they didn't attack the NPC bandits in the floated bloat quest.

 

I attacked some random book store owner as well, my summoned skeleton attacked as well but not the CM Partners' skeleton archer. I've seen outlaws working with conjurers and scamps against me. Timber Wolves attacking some odd ogre with jumbo potatoes.

 

Is there anything wrong, or is this just the weird way the mods work?

 

are ooo,mmm and cm partners your only mod? if not then you may have a conflict due to a load order problem

[BlaCkBlitZ]

As far as I can tell, I don't have any mods that alter AI behaviour or factions other than these 3.

 

My modlist is, really... long. Is there a way to easily copy and paste it, as I right clicked and theres no copy function in OBMM. Also is there a way to easily count the number of plugins I have, FO3's mod manager had these functions..

[Esteris]

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516 Download this, read the readme and run it. Not only will it reorder your mods (possibly fixing many issues) but also create a file called boss.log. Read through that file and see if the mods you've installed have any important notes. Reorder these it didn't touch by hand using OBMM. In any case, boss.log will contain the list of all your installed mods which you would be able to pass, if using utility itself won't help you :)

 

If your installation is big, afaik it would be a good thing to also download a program called Wrye Bash and, folllowing extensive instructions on its site [both about usage AND installation, thankfully] create a thing called bashed patch. Mind that this should come last in your load order (there are very few mods that come after it and from my experience BOSS [from the first link] knows them and will reorder them the right way). I can't really tell you what what patch thing does, but I trust people who know the stuff on a better level and they seem to deem it quite essential :yucky:

[bben46]

As Esteris says, BOSS is a good place to start, but it dosn't recognize all mods and in its readme it tells you that you will have to order those yourself.

Some mods change things you would not expect.

 

If you can post a load order, someone may recognize a possible conflict.

[BlaCkBlitZ]

BOSS mentions only sorting out the big mods and specific ones on top, and the rest at the bottom. I think I managed to do that as well in my own load order, where the overhauls are on top and the rest are at the bottom, only a select few are above the overhauls.

So I don't think its the load order, but are you certain it will fix weird factions interacting wrongly?

 

EDIT: bben, the only way I know how to post a load order for now is screenshotting my mod manager, because TimeSlip's mod manager has not select few/select all function and it doesn't allow me to copy paste either.

[BlaCkBlitZ]

Here is my mod list, load order:

 

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/SithLord100/Oblivion/Modlist1.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/SithLord100/Oblivion/Modlist2.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/SithLord100/Oblivion/Modlist3.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/SithLord100/Oblivion/Modlist4.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/SithLord100/Oblivion/Modlist5.jpg

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc333/SithLord100/Oblivion/Modlist6.jpg

 

Prehaps you guys can also tell me why 'Umpa's sexy walk animation' isn't working for me as well as OOO's integrated 'Drop lit torches'.

Animations from balls/books/rings work, idle animations and DMC animations work. But sexy walk animation doesn't appear, it used to appear last time though.

 

As for drop lit torches, I have that hot key torch but there is no torch dropped when I equipped a bow, shield or staff.

 

P.S. I'm about to install 5 mods as I type this message.

- SotS The order of nibenay, it lets you manage your own guild.

- No flickering lights, for performance issues with light sources.

- No lighting in spells, performance as well

- Life in the gutters, a sewer expansion for all cities, adds new cells, only IC sewers are rebuilt

- Druid mod, Druid powers/quest

[dezdimona]

General Load-Order Guidelines

Here are the guidelines that I adhere to, personally.

 

~ Unofficial Oblivon Patch should always be first on the list. The fixes are great, but most aren't essential, so if a mod overwrites them its not a big deal, and the fixes have the potential for screwing up other mods if loaded later.

 

~ Offical Content (DLC's) should be loaded last, until you complete all quests associated with them (that includes buying all furniture for the houses and whatnot). Once they're complete, they can be safely moved up in the list. This is especially important for Knights of the Nine, which will have some fairly major problems unless loaded last (unless you get the UOP for KotN)

 

~ Major overhaul mods (OOO, Frans, MMM) should be loaded near the end. That gives you the most complete experience with any of those particular mods. It also lets you carefully choose which other mods to load afterwards... only move mods that you know will conflict and that you want the changes from. For example, I have Improved Soul Gems below OOO because I know that OOO changes the icons of some of the SG's, and ISG needs to be below to show through.

 

Some people will recommend putting larger mods first, but personally I disagree. There are a number of mods out there that make minor tweaks, and loading after a large mod will end up completely overwriting a chunk from one of the bigger mods because of the way conflicts work in Oblivion (even one minor change will take precedence over the entire record... for example, simply tweaking the speed of a weapon can cause every stat of that weapon to be retained to vanilla levels if loaded later).

 

So basically, it stacks up like this...

 

Oblivion.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch

<Minor Mods / DLC's (Post-Completion)>

<Major Overhaul Mod/Mods>

<Mods that specifically conflict with overhauls and need to take precedence>

<DLC's (Pre-Completion)>

Note: If using Mayu's Overhaul Mod. I recommend loading it after OOO or MMM

 

 

Expanded Load-Order Guidelines

by dev_akm

 

I would extend this to include:

 

Oblivion.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch

<Weather/Environment/Sound Mods>

<Minor Mods/New Items/Houses/DLC's (Post-Completion)>

<Major Overhaul Mods>

<Mods that specifically conflict with overhauls and need to take precedence>

<DLC's (Pre-Completion)>

<Quests>

<Compatibility Patches/UOMP/Merged Leveled Lists>

 

And a special-case warning for Knights.esp (Knights of the Nine) -- you may not be able to move it earlier than some other mods (some people have had problems after moving it before OOO, for example).

 

That's basically the structure I use and I have 140+ mods working well together.

 

Another way of describing this (posted by DMan77):

....

Oblivion

unoffical patch

Deeper realism mods that add sights and sounds

added content like weapons/items

gameplay changes, like 'must eat and sleep'

The OOO type

the 'new begining' type mod..

maigrets...You should also follow Dezi's load order guide if you're new to mods. BOSS is good, but not foolproof. There are a lot of mods it doesn't have in it's database and they have to be ordered manually.